Discussion Why don't Governments legalise assisted suicide Worldwide, The Pro's and Con's

[Jumper Geo]

Why don't Governments legalise assisted suicide Worldwide. There are so many Pro's to the Con's.

This is my opinion from the age of 18 years old you should be allowed to legally register for a painless death with a 3 year consultation period, so you will be 21 years of age when you die, in that time your family, friends and professionals have a chance to help and try to save you.

The Pro's,

1, It could stop anyone under the age of 21 years of age committing suicide.
2, Stop the shock of learning or finding a loved one dead.
3, Family and friends guilt for not understanding why you killed yourself.
4, Trauma of finding a dead body.
5, Family knowing you never suffered an agonising death.
6, Transport workers not traumatised by jumping in front of them.
7, Organ donation would be faster, so you could save peoples lives, who want to live.
8, You could complete your bucket list with your family and friends.
9, You and your family and friends get to say goodbye.
10, Samaritans will be made redundant, lol sorry had to throw that one in.

The Con's,

1, Family and friends feeling sorry for you and upset.
2, Family and friends missing you after you ctb.

Well that's my top twelve I'm sure there are tons of other Pro's and Con's, so guy's and girls what do you think.

Cheers JG

 

[Worndown]

Two reasons, ignorance and piety.

 

[Swedish Equality]

Hypocrisy

 

[deadalready]

Cons: Pro-life agenda will be destroyed.

 

[BPD Barbie]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the world feels like it needs to save every single suicidal person. We stay alive so others don't have to live with guilt and can talk about how they talked down a suicidal person one day and feel good about themselves.
The world needs to wakeup and realise suicide still happens and it needs to be normalised. There shouldn't be stigma. It happens. People want to die, why not help them die with dignity?

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Who would control the administration of the drugs needed... Remember part of the hippocratic oath that doctors take is to do no harm this is the biggest issue with state sponsored suicide

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Well there is always the DNR or living will where you state in advance that you want no life saving measures. These are legally binding and doctors will adhere to them.

 

[Worndown]

Unless they choose to not know about them.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

DNR is not relevant in this situation. What a ridiculous reply.

I don't think it's a ridiculous reply on the thread, and if you do, who cares

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Same as in Switzerland they do

Twat

Really!!!!

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Yep!

Why do you feel the need to be offensive?

 

[TAW122]

I agree with your criteria. I might even add that if you are of legal age, (age 18), or even if not, such as for example: A teenager has a terminal illness (like cancer or some disease or illness that would very likely result in death in the coming months or years, then he/she should automatically qualify for assisted suicide to spare his/her pain.

As for additional cons not mentioned by others here, I would add that a 3rd and 4th con are governments and the economy will be short of potential labor (which is a bad thing to them, but not necessarily bad for us or the individual) and the other con is there is no chance of things getting better (which is factually true -- though not necessarily a bad thing for the person (but bad for society) because once one is dead, there can be no future suffering for that individual).

 

[Suicide_vampire]

Well my response wasn't ridiculous on the thread, might not have fit your criteria, but there's no need to be inflammatory

 

[WEASEL1234]

I agree with your criteria. I might even add that if you are of legal age, (age 18), or even if not, such as for example: A teenager has a terminal illness (like cancer or some disease or illness that would very likely result in death in the coming months or years, then he/she should automatically qualify for assisted suicide to spare his/her pain.

As for additional cons not mentioned by others here, I would add that a 3rd and 4th con are governments and the economy will be short of potential labor (which is a bad thing to them, but not necessarily bad for us or the individual) and the other con is there is no chance of things getting better (which is factually true -- though not necessarily a bad thing for the person (but bad for society) because once one is dead, there can be no future suffering for that individual).

Yes, I think the situation should be taken on a case by case basis which it currently is of course in the euthanasia sanctioned countries.

Well my response wasn't ridiculous on the thread, might not have fit your criteria, but there's no need to be inflammatory

Inflammatory? I just shared that my mum has passed away and that she had strikes WHICH THERE IS NO TREATMENT for so how can a DNR OR LIFE GIVING TREATMENT APPLY? THEN to state that people don't care about my response. Are you on the right website??

I agree with your criteria. I might even add that if you are of legal age, (age 18), or even if not, such as for example: A teenager has a terminal illness (like cancer or some disease or illness that would very likely result in death in the coming months or years, then he/she should automatically qualify for assisted suicide to spare his/her pain.

As for additional cons not mentioned by others here, I would add that a 3rd and 4th con are governments and the economy will be short of potential labor (which is a bad thing to them, but not necessarily bad for us or the individual) and the other con is there is no chance of things getting better (which is factually true -- though not necessarily a bad thing for the person (but bad for society) because once one is dead, there can be no future suffering for that individual).

There is also the growing ageing population where services are stretched. Just keeping someone alive is not quality of life. I whole heartedly agree with the points that you've made.
It's a grey area where mental health is involved of course.

 

[BPD Barbie]

Well there is always the DNR or living will where you state in advance that you want no life saving measures. These are legally binding and doctors will adhere to them.

A lot of DNRs have set instructions like you have to die by X method. So if you have terminal cancer but choke on a grape, you will be revived as it is not the cancer causing the issue.

 

[Jumper Geo]

Who would control the administration of the drugs needed... Remember part of the hippocratic oath that doctors take is to do no harm this is the biggest issue with state sponsored suicide

I'm sure we will be able to find another Harold Shipmam

Harold Shipman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[WEASEL1234]

A lot of DNRs have set instructions like you have to die by X method. So if you have terminal cancer but choke on a grape, you will be revived as it is not the cancer causing the issue.

DNR wasn't relevant in my mums case with a stroke.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

A lot of DNRs have set instructions like you have to die by X method. So if you have terminal cancer but choke on a grape, you will be revived as it is not the cancer causing the issue.

You can state in a DNR that under no circumstances do you want life saving treatment, if you want a DNR it's best to get a lawyer to draw it up. There are cases where it has not been followed and the Doctor has been sued for very large pay outs. You might be still alive but you can go to Vegas and blow your payout

 

[Musketeer]

Why don't Governments legalise assisted suicide Worldwide. There are so many Pro's to the Con's.

This is my opinion from the age of 18 years old you should be allowed to legally register for a painless death with a 3 year consultation period, so you will be 21 years of age when you die, in that time your family, friends and professionals have a chance to help and try to save you.

The Pro's,

1, It could stop anyone under the age of 21 years of age committing suicide.
2, Stop the shock of learning or finding a loved one dead.
3, Family and friends guilt for not understanding why you killed yourself.
4, Trauma of finding a dead body.
5, Family knowing you never suffered an agonising death.
6, Transport workers not traumatised by jumping in front of them.
7, Organ donation would be faster, so you could save peoples lives, who want to live.
8, You could complete your bucket list with your family and friends.
9, You and your family and friends get to say goodbye.
10, Samaritans will be made redundant, lol sorry had to throw that one in.

The Con's,

1, Family and friends feeling sorry for you and upset.
2, Family and friends missing you after you ctb.

Well that's my top twelve I'm sure there are tons of other Pro's and Con's, so guy's and girls what do you think.

Cheers JG

the only other con i see is people dying due to insurance not covering treatment.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

DNR wasn't relevant in my mums case with a stroke.

This thread was about more than your mums case which I am terribly sorry she had to go through, not every post relates to your post, unless your post is quoted

 

[Ame]

Who would control the administration of the drugs needed... Remember part of the hippocratic oath that doctors take is to do no harm this is the biggest issue with state sponsored suicide

This is an item - and arguably an important one - that is seldom considered in the euthanasia debate. Being involved either directly (in this instance, those medical professionals administering the euthanasic agent(s)) or indirectly (for example: the pharmacists responsible with preparing and dispensing the drugs for the procedure, the physicians who signed off on the procedure or referred the patient to a doctor who would carry out the procedure etc) can take a heavy psychological toll. That isn't to say that access to a peaceful death via euthanasia should not be allowed, but rather that certain guidelines and safe guards (ex: limiting the number of procedures any one professional can perform within a year) should be put in place to protect all parties involved. Even if we were to try to remove the physician from the picture by allowing willing patients to self-administer, there are still others who had some role to play in bringing on someone's death.

At the very least, we may be able to agree that this ethical dilemma is anything but clear cut and that there is a lot to think about.

There was an interesting thread on this topic posted by @fightingsioux not too long ago and in it they included a link to an opinion page on the pros and cons of legalizing physician assisted dying. It is certainly worth reading I think.

 

[WEASEL1234]

This thread was about more than your mums case which I am terribly sorry she had to go through, not every post relates to your post, unless your post is quoted

YOU replied to MY post

 

[Suicide_vampire]

I replied to the thread, I didn't quote your post, so please drop the attitude this is a safe space for discussion and there is no need to argue on a thread, and your mum could have had a dnr in place in case anything happened. It's about forward planning nowadays. And I'm saying no more because engaging with you is not healthy for me.

 

[Absurdity]

YOU replied to MY post

I think there's a big misunderstanding here.. He didn't reply to your post. What makes you think that?

In general, if someone doesn't quote you or mention you directly, assume they are responding to the OP/the general state of discussion.

 

[LittleJem]

OP - what a manifesto. Right behind you. I got dumped by a private psychiatrist this week (I hadn't met him yet) because I said I am in favour of pro-choice Euthanasia. And what I think about him - what a dickhead to want people to suffer. And what a dickhead he is to refuse to treat me, simply because I don't want people to suffer unnecessarily.

I agree with OP 100% and I those of us who want to die in society are marginalised and given no platform, and yet this is real for us and for so many.

 

[Grandexit]

The national cost of suicides and suicide attempts in the United States in 2013 was $58.4 billion based on reported numbers alone. Lost productivity (termed indirect costs) represents most (97.1%) of this cost. Adjustment for under‐reporting increased the total cost to $93.5 billion or $298 per capita, 2.1–2.8 times that of previous studies. Previous research suggests that improved continuity of care would likely reduce the number of subsequent suicidal attempts following a previous nonfatal attempt. We estimate a highly favorable benefit–cost ratio of 6 to 1 for investments in additional medical, counseling, and linkage services for such patients.

Suicide and Suicidal Attempts in the United States: Costs and Policy Implications

The national cost of suicides and suicide attempts in the nited tates in 2013 was $58.4 billion based on reported numbers alone. Lost productivity (termed indirect costs) represents most (97.1%) of this cost. Adjustment for under‐reporting increased ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ok, back to work everyone. Start generating profits for the 1 percent and your government.

 

[Nnana]

I have this opinion. Stop and think what keeps people attached to this horror show we call life? Fear of pain, fear of death, delusions, pleasant lies, religion etc.. Imagine if people had the easy access to a painless suicide in a world where lies, delusions and religion are fading. What happens? I believe legalization of suicide would lead to a domino effect and government knows that. People would start commiting suicide in mass as our culture would become more normalized of death. That's why the prohibition of suicide and the pro-life bullshit is so strong. Suicide would skyrocket if not.

 

[Jumper Geo]

I have this opinion. Stop and think what keeps people attached to this horror show we call life? Fear of pain, fear of death, delusions, pleasant lies, religion etc.. Imagine if people had the easy access to a painless suicide in a world where lies, delusions and religion are fading. What happens? I believe legalization of suicide would lead to a domino effect and government knows that. People would start commiting suicide in mass as our culture would become more normalized of death. That's why the prohibition of suicide and the pro-life bullshit is so strong. Suicide would skyrocket if not.

Thanks that gives me hope but not in my lifetime, they may implement it one day as the World is so over populated.

 

[WhyamIstillhere]

It's not legal because it's political suicide (no pun intended) to support it. Nobody actually gives a shit.