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Severen

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I don't get it. This doesn't even appear to be narcissism but something way beyond narcissism. Like narcissism X 10000. And what do they even gain from this? Personally, women who do this, just make me dislike them. There are plenty of women who are celebrities, who don't even do this...
 
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It attracts followers and with great followers comes great advertising and influencer contracts.
Also, having guys jerking of to them boosts their self esteem.
 
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I don't get it. This doesn't even appear to be narcissism but something way beyond narcissism. Like narcissism X 10000. And what do they even gain from this? Personally, women who does this, just make me dislike them. There are plenty of women who are celebrities, who don't even do this...
They want attention and enjoy feeling wanted by the opposite gender.
 
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It attracts followers and with great followers comes great advertising and influencer contracts.
Also, having guys jerking of to them boosts their self esteem.

So basically, this is how they make a living?
 
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So basically, this is how they make a living?
A lot of them yeah.
Some of them have enough followers to make a living out of it, because the more people they have seeing their social media on a daily basis the more they get.
 
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Also, having guys jerking of to them boosts their self esteem.
They must have had some really shitty parents, then...
A lot of them yeah.
Some of them have enough followers to make a living out of it, because the more people they have seeing their social media on a daily basis the more they get.
Makes sense. The economy all over the world is garbage nowadays so people have to adapt.
 
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They must have had some really shitty parents, then...

Makes sense. The economy all over the world is garbage nowadays so people have to adapt.
And it's not only money. For example if they should decide to start advertising clothing brands or food brands they often get sent these products to use/consume as if they bought it from the supermarket as long as they take like 10 photos of the product and do another 10 stories/videos promoting it.
So they get money,food and clothes.
It's very popular with these fitness chicks you see all around the internet. Clothes seem perfect on their bodies and the food is said to be one of the primary factors to achieve the said persons body. It's a great bait for insecure persons trying to change their bodies and lifestyle.
 
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And it's not only money. For example if they should decide to start advertising clothing brands or food brands they often get sent these products to use/consume as if they bought it from the supermarket as long as they take like 10 photos of the product and do another 10 stories/videos promoting it.
So they get money,food and clothes.
It's very popular with these fitness chicks you see all around the internet. Clothes seem perfect on their bodies and the food is said to be one of the primary factors to achieve the said persons body. It's a great bait for insecure persons trying to change their bodies and lifestyle.

WOW, money and free food, clothes and other products. Sounds nice. And definitely a lot less demeaning than most jobs out there, nowadays. Most of the jobs, I had to work in my life, were so demeaning, sometimes, I'd feel like CTBing while at work.
 
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They must have had some really shitty parents, then...[if their self-esteem is boosted by guys jerking off to them]
It's possible that's a sexist double standard. What if you were a really handsome guy and you posted pics of yourself which women found to be so hot that they simply had to touch themselves. What man would be offended by this?

If I were a hot girl I'd damn well flaunt my assets. Everyone likes to look at pretty things, be it a hot girl or a cute Corgi.
 
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It's possible that's a sexist double standard. What if you were a really handsome guy and you posted pics of yourself which women found to be so hot that they simply had to touch themselves. What man would be offended by this?

If I were a hot girl I'd damn well flaunt my assets. Everyone likes to look at pretty things, be it a hot girl or a cute Corgi.

I would have no interest in posting tons of pictures of myself on Instagram as a really handsome guy just to have hundreds or thousands or millions of women touch themselves while looking at me. I do not have such a void that needs to be filled. And according to my values, being a really handsome guy, is simply not enough. It's simply a physical shell that was gifted to you by your ancestors, that makes your life a lot more pleasant. Therefore, if I wanted to boost my self esteem, I'd do things that are courageous and honorable. Because it's what you do on this Earth and your thoughts that is a true reflection of who you really are and what will be judged by higher beings. They care not, for how someone looks as a human being. It's nothing but flesh, blood and bones that will rot away during your lifetime... I would only resort to such behavior to make a living because it's better than working a shitty job. And this world, forces me to participate in their silly game revolving around making money.
 
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All i can say is who cares what women do with their bodies on the internet? It's their bodies, they can do whatever they like with them. They're not hurting anyone so it doesn't matter at all. There is nothing superior about being a prude, no matter how logical your arguments may be.
 
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if people are willing to pay just to look at you... why not make the money? Im sure it helps boost the ego but keeping our ego in check is something we all should strive to do.
 
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All i can say is who cares what women do with their bodies on the internet? It's their bodies, they can do whatever they like with them. They're not hurting anyone so it doesn't matter at all. There is nothing superior about being a prude, no matter how logical your arguments may be.

So basically I'm not allowed to be curious about something and dislike people who I thought were worse than narcissists because? And what did I say that expressed I'm a prude even though there is nothing inferior about being a prude?
if people are willing to pay just to look at you... why not make the money? Im sure it helps boost the ego but keeping our ego in check is something we all should strive to do.

Easy money is the best money. I always thought the Protestant work ethic was bullshit.
 
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TimeToDie

Mage
Jun 13, 2019
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Therefore, if I wanted to boost my self esteem, I'd do things that are courageous and honorable.
Could you give some examples of such things? Are we talking about building homes for the poor, for example?

Because it's what you do on this Earth and your thoughts that is a true reflection of who you really are and what will be judged by higher beings.
I'd still rather get positive reviews from mortal women, as I'm certain they actually exist. I have zero evidence that higher beings exist, so their opinion doesn't really matter. I'm quite surprised that you're religious/spiritual. Given your negative view of humanity I would never have guessed you believe in a creator. If a god exists, I certainly will want to ask him why he created me and sentenced me to 46 years in hell on Earth. I suspect other SS members will have the same question for the Big Guy.
 
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So basically I'm not allowed to be curious about something and dislike people who I thought were worse than narcissists because?
You're allowed to be curious about whatever and dislike whoever you want. The reason I said what I did is because it's not the 1950s anymore. Women are allowed to express themselves sexually and there is nothing wrong with that. If posting pictures of your butt on instagram is narcissistic, then so is just about everything else humans do. Tell me, what does a non-narcissist's life look like?
And what did I say that expressed I'm a prude even though there is nothing inferior about being a prude?
"Personally, women who do this, just make me dislike them." Disliking an entire group of people for doing something sexual, is prudish. I'm not saying you have to think the way I do, you're free to think and express yourself however you like. All I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with posting sexy pics on instagram, even if it's narcissistic or not.
 
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TimeToDie

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If posting pictures of your butt on instagram is narcissistic, then so is just about everything else humans do. Tell me, what does a non-narcissist's life look like?
Everyone with a hot ass wants to post it to social media, including this narcissistic bitch:

 
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You're allowed to be curious about whatever and dislike whoever you want. The reason I said what I did is because it's not the 1950s anymore. Women are allowed to express themselves sexually and there is nothing wrong with that. If posting pictures of your butt on instagram is narcissistic, then so is just about everything else humans do. Tell me, what does a non-narcissist's life look like?

"Personally, women who do this, just make me dislike them." Disliking an entire group of people for doing something sexual, is prudish. I'm not saying you have to think the way I do, you're free to think and express yourself however you like. All I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with posting sexy pics on instagram, even if it's narcissistic or not.
I never said women shouldn't be allowed to express themselves sexually. And yes, posting tons of sexy pics online for the whole world to see can mean someone is extremely narcissistic. OR do you think narcissism doesn't exist in this world? And no, most of what human beings do, does not even come close to that level of narcissism if such behavior is the result of narcissism and not for pragmatic reasons like making money. I never said it's the 1950s. So again, you are literally pulling shit out of your ass. This is what happens when people instantly jump to conclusions and think with their emotions after a knee jerk reaction... You start attacking people with no righteous justification. No, I'm not the person you are accusing me of being. Disliking an entire group of people I saw as extremely narcissistic is not prudish. This had nothing to do with anything sexual, really. I would have created a thread very similar if these women, just posted tons of pics of only their faces. Nothing you've said so far was a rational response to anything I've said. In a way, the behavior I am pointing out is no different from people writing entire books about themselves to show off. I would dislike the authors of such literature for taking narcissism to a whole new level too unless I came to the realization first that they were doing this, just to make money.
Everyone with a hot ass wants to post it to social media, including this narcissistic bitch:


Technically, the dog had no choice but to be video recorded. Animals are too rational to be narcissistic. Some dogs just love to dance.
 
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I never said women shouldn't be allowed to express themselves sexually. And yes, posting tons of sexy pics online for the whole world to see can mean someone is extremely narcissistic. OR do you think narcissism doesn't exist in this world? And no, most of what human beings do, does not even come close to that level of narcissism if such behavior is the result of narcissism and not for pragmatic reasons like making money. I never said it's the 1950s. So again, you are literally pulling shit out of your ass. This is what happens when people instantly jump to conclusions and think with their emotions... No, I'm not the person you are accusing me of being. Disliking an entire group of people I saw as extremely narcissistic is not prudish. This had nothing to do with anything sexual, really. I would have created a thread very similar if these women, just posted tons of pics of only their faces. Nothing you've said so far was a rational response to anything I've said.
Yes I'm irrational and emotional. Idgaf. If you want to think that is narcissism then you're free to do so. I don't think it's narcissistic in the slightest and I'm free to do so too. Can we at least agree on that? When I said most things people do is narcissistic I'm talking about having expensive cars, getting tattoos, working out... hell even wearing deodorant is stroking your ego a tiny bit. I just don't care if women want to be sexy and show off. There's is no need to make anyone feel shame for showing a little harmless "narcissism". If that makes me irrational then so be it.
 
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All i can say is who cares what women do with their bodies on the internet? It's their bodies, they can do whatever they like with them. They're not hurting anyone so it doesn't matter at all. There is nothing superior about being a prude, no matter how logical your arguments may be.

It's not as simple as you are trying to say...this isn't some women's empowerment issue. They DO hurt people by perpetuating this ideal and making young girls feel this is what matters and what they should attain. They are dishonest, manipulative, SEO and ad driven profiteers, not strong individuals and role models. Then the machine grows and it just gets worse. It's another example where some people would say "don't hate the player, hate the game" but the players are required for the game to exist so have some responsibility. Hawking bullshit and appearance to young women isn't gender freedom...it's poison.
 
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It's not as simple as you are trying to say...this isn't some women's empowerment issue. They DO hurt people by perpetuating this ideal and making young girls feel this is what matters and what they should attain. Then the machine grows and it just gets worse. It's another example where some people would say "don't hate the player, hate the game" but the players are required for the game to exist so have some responsibility. Hawking bullshit and appearance to young women isn't gender freedom...it's poison.
That's assuming there are no plus-sized/unconventional beauty instagram models. I don't follow that world so I don't know, but I'm sure there are plenty.

Edit: Also I simply don't see what's wrong with making money promoting products with your body. It's what the entire modelling industry is about.
 
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Yes I'm irrational and emotional. Idgaf. If you want to think that is narcissism then you're free to do so. I don't think it's narcissistic in the slightest and I'm free to do so too. Can we at least agree on that? When I said most things people do is narcissistic I'm talking about having expensive cars, getting tattoos, working out... hell even wearing deodorant is stroking your ego a tiny bit. I just don't care if women want to be sexy and show off. There's is no need to make anyone feel shame for showing a little harmless "narcissism". If that makes me irrational then so be it.

You should give a fuck if you are attacking other people for no good reason. In many cases, this can result in negative consequences. You are literally making enemies with people 24/7 for no good reason. It would be better to focus on your actual enemies, yes? I agree that you should be free to be as narcissistic as you want to be... In fact, in the past, if I remember correctly, I expressed that people should become narcissistic to defend themselves against human beings who wish to break them down into nothing. Because the alternative is worse. The alternative is massive amounts of brain damage resulting in people becoming sociopaths. And narcissists > sociopaths. But of course, when you are literally one of the most narcissistic people in the world, you shouldn't expect people to like you. And you shouldn't expect me to like these people. And this has nothing to do with women wanting to be sexy and showing off. How many times do I have to tell you this? There is a huge difference between a woman with sexy pics posted online and a woman with an Instagram account with hundreds or thousands of such pictures if we are simply talking about narcissism. And there is a need to shame behavior like this if this behavior is not done for pragmatic reasons because such an extreme level of narcissism is very destructive to this world. Pssst...when someone is narcissistic to such an extreme level...this creates chaos, pain and suffering that everyone around has no choice but to endure... If someone thinks he or she is a god or a goddess...how do you think he or she will treat the people around them? And how do you think, people will treat him or her? I would say the same about a cult leader who claims to be a god or a goddess...
 
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I don't get it. This doesn't even appear to be narcissism but something way beyond narcissism. Like narcissism X 10000. And what do they even gain from this? Personally, women who do this, just make me dislike them. There are plenty of women who are celebrities, who don't even do this...
Generally 2 types, prostitutes or a form of sexual perversion defined as: "to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted".

Online prostitution including but not limited to: pornographic video or photos, text, fetishist video or photos, courting, or dialogue. Typically done for ad revenue, attracting donors, publicity, etc.

Sexual Perversion, from what I've seen a lot people do it because of sexual abuse, coercion from SOs, peer pressure, outlet for fustration, the material was taken/uploaded without knowledge or consent, or they're fabricated images.

Childhood abuse and to a lesser extent, sex trafficking play a large role in this. Not to mention the hyper-sexualization of children and teenagers, who are bombarded with 1000s of ads and other means of propaganda on a daily basis.
 
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You should give a fuck if you are attacking other people for no good reason. In many cases, this can result in negative consequences. You are literally making enemies with people 24/7 for no good reason. It would be better to focus on your actual enemies, yes? I agree that you should be free to be as narcissistic as you want to be... In fact, in the past, if I remember correctly, I expressed that people should become narcissistic to defend themselves against human beings who wish to break them down into nothing. Because the alternative is worse. The alternative is massive amounts of brain damage resulting in you becoming a sociopath. But of course, when you are literally one of the most narcissistic people in the world, you shouldn't expect people to like you. And you shouldn't expect me to like these people. And this has nothing to do with women wanting to be sexy and showing off. How many times do I have to tell you this? There is a huge difference between a woman with sexy pics posted online and a woman with an Instagram account with hundreds or thousands of such pictures if we are simply talking about narcissism. And there is a need to shame behavior like this if this behavior is not done for pragmatic reasons because such an extreme level of narcissism is very destructive to this world. Pssst...when someone is narcissistic to such an extreme level...this creates chaos, pain and suffering that everyone around has no choice but to endure... If someone thinks he or she is a god or a goddess...how do you think they will treat the people around them?
I'm not trying to attack anyone or create enemies. I just thought i was expressing my opinion in a debate. I'm tired of arguing, there is no need for it. I'm sorry if you felt attacked by what I was saying. It wasn't my intention. I can be combative at times without even knowing it, it's part of why I'm here. Let's just agree to disagree, k?
 
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That's assuming there are no plus-sized/unconventional beauty instagram models. I don't follow that world so I don't know, but I'm sure there are plenty.

Edit: Also I simply don't see what's wrong with making money promoting products with your body. It's what the entire modelling industry is about.
Because the industry commodifies the human body, de-humanizing, is fundamentally immoral, and toxic to the individual and their community.
 
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Severen

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Generally 2 types, prostitutes or a form of sexual perversion defined as: "to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted".

Online prostitution including but not limited to: pornographic video or photos, text, fetishist video or photos, courting, or dialogue. Typically done for ad revenue, attracting donors, publicity, etc.

Sexual Perversion, from what I've seen a lot people do it because of sexual abuse, coercion from SOs, peer pressure, outlet for fustration, the material was taken/uploaded without knowledge or consent, or they're fabricated images.

Childhood abuse and to a lesser extent, sex trafficking play a large role in this. Not to mention the hyper-sexualization of children and teenagers, who are bombarded with 1000s of ads and other means of propaganda on a daily basis.

Yeah, makes sense. And I don't have a problem with anything mentioned above. But I think hyper sexual people can be satisfied simply with a handful of pics and a profile on an app like Tinder. Do they really need hundreds or thousands of pics to live as a hyper sexual person? Thank you for your rational response.
Because the industry commodifies the human body, de-humanizing, is fundamentally immoral, and toxic to the individual and their community.

Yes, capitalism when practiced in such a way is truly evil. But I can't dislike or hate the players... I can only hate the game. Because people are forced to participate or else... Swords, spears, rifles, shotguns, muskets, whips, chains etc have been replaced by homelessness, poor health etc... It's a do or die or a do or suffer kind of world, we live in.

I'm not trying to attack anyone or create enemies. I just thought i was expressing my opinion in a debate. I'm tired of arguing, there is no need for it. I'm sorry if you felt attacked by what I was saying. It wasn't my intention. I can be combative at times without even knowing it, it's part of why I'm here. Let's just agree to disagree, k?

It didn't make sense to me that you were arguing with me about things I never argued against but it's not a big deal. And we should all try our best to get along here, anyway. So have a nice day. :)
 
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pleasethistime

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everyone is a product.
 
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Money, ego boosting and competition in social circles about who can get most likes/views/is the prettiest. Think that about wraps it up.
 
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I don't get it. This doesn't even appear to be narcissism but something way beyond narcissism. Like narcissism X 10000. And what do they even gain from this? Personally, women who do this, just make me dislike them. There are plenty of women who are celebrities, who don't even do this...

Why dislike them? I think it's understandable. If I had a nice body, I'd be showing it off too. Be proud!
However, I don't have a nice body. And my interior is much better...
 
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alizee

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Jul 22, 2018
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The endless posting of self images "if attractive" is actually an advantage for the person. It's really not worth listing why. In any case it's similar to all things and that's not judging what people do with their time.
 
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But I think hyper sexual people can be satisfied simply with a handful of pics and a profile on an app like Tinder. Do they really need hundreds or thousands of pics to live as a hyper sexual person? Thank you for your rational response.
It's a ruthless combination of gambling, retail, sex, drug, and attention-seeking addictions rolled into one act. Add onto the fact they're only 17-24, and it's easy to see these girls don't stand a chance, especially if they already have a high sex drive and indulge in risky behavior with little education.
 
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