Discussion Why do people continually mix methods

[Belter]

Its occurred to me that there seems to be a large volume of posters who are always trying to mix items into different methods.

Surely the info from the PPEH should be the info stickied on the first page of all mega threads to limit confusion. I know myself when browsing through these threads things all run into each other and the method either becomes overly confusing or has no resemblance to its original structure.

 

[sleepy dog]

You are correct. However, I no longer consider the PPH to be as reliable as I once did. Nitschke is a profiteer of suicide. Take for example the SN section. The Wikipedia website said 5 grams is a fatal dose. In the PPH he said 15. He just multiplied the Wikipedia fatal dose times 3, that's all. No research or expert advise from experience or training. Now he says 25 grams. He multiplied the Wikipedia fatal dose by 5 instead of 3. No explanation why the change, because he has done no research.

 

[Stan]

No idea. Maybe they are trying to 'double down' on the bet of success when in reality its just increasing the failure rate by a lot. Pick one method, see that others were successful, do it right, don't be caught.

 

[Belter]

You are correct. However, I no longer consider the PPH to be as reliable as I once did. Nitschke is a profiteer of suicide. Take for example the SN section. The Wikipedia website said 5 grams is a fatal dose. In the PPH he said 15. He just multiplied the Wikipedia fatal dose times 3, that's all. No research or expert advise from experience or training. Now he says 25 grams. He multiplied the Wikipedia fatal dose by 5 instead of 3. No explanation why the change, because he has done no research.

I thought there had been observed cases by EI of the SN method as an example? And the adjustment of dosage would be as a one size fits all dose, so to speak. With addition of another substance to counteract side effects some people felt uncomfortable with?

You may of course be completely right regarding the profiteering side of things and myself wide of the mark, but his whole business model is peaceful passing which if he was just throwing about numbers would damage his image with the members of EI.

 

[Stan]

I agree with @sleepy dog . I think he changes it to keep the book changing so people stay subscribed. There is no evidence that a high dose will make you unconscious quicker and leading to a quicker death. Plus the additions to the regime are superfluous and the new drug is another prescription only event.

 

[sleepy dog]

He claims that 10 people have passed with SN. But he increased the grams to 25 with no explanation. But he also says that a reliability rating of 7 is "uncertain". Most people that fail don't report that failure to Exit. They mostly receive reports of deaths.

 

[Belter]

He claims that 10 people have passed with SN. But he increased the grams to 25 with no explanation. But he also says that a reliability rating of 7 is "uncertain". Most people that fail don't report that failure to Exit. They mostly receive reports of deaths.

I would assume the reports he is working off are of EI members though as opposed to the general populace?

As for the increased dose, I can fully understand where you are coming from when its increased without the caveat to explain why.

 

[Stan]

If I remember correctly, a thread appeared where someone was saying the were going to do N, SN and partial hanging! Not sure if it was serious or not but I know where my thoughts were leaning to.

 

[Belter]

If I remember correctly, a thread appeared where someone was saying the were going to do N, SN and partial hanging! Not sure if it was serious or not but I know where my thoughts were leaning to.

Yeah theres alot of these types of posts which are best ignored.

As I say I just find it strange that so many people add on extras or don't read whats there. Trusting the PPH is another matter but it is routinely seen as the main hub of information and it seems strange the relevant section is not copied to the start of all mega threads to not confuse the matter.

If people then want to throw in extras thats up to them but with it all flowing into each other it creates a very muddled view of particular methods. Just speaking from my own experience.

 

[sleepy dog]

I also have noticed some of the info on the first post of those megathreads is wrong. I haven't said anything because I know I would just get attacked by most respondents.

 

[Meppitech]

I mostly think people add things for two reasons. 1) to try to make it more peaceful 2) to add a safety net and less room for failure.

 

[Guizin239]

I also have noticed some of the info on the first post of those megathreads is wrong. I haven't said anything because I know I would just get attacked by most respondents.

now you made me curious

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Fuck it Im doing a huge dose of benzos, N, and then I'll fall forward off Golden Gate with a rope around my neck. Shit, these posts are a daily occurrence.

 

[Partial-Elf]

I mostly think people add things for two reasons. 1) to try to make it more peaceful 2) to add a safety net and less room for failure.

I think you're right in your analysis. However, I think doubling up actually makes it less peaceful and more likely to fail

 

[TAW122]

@Meppitech is correct on why people do it. I do agree with @Partial-Elf that it is generally better for people to just stick with one method and focus solely on that for less chance of messing up or ending up dying in a more painful, uncomfortable way.

 

[Meppitech]

I think you're right in your analysis. However, I think doubling up actually makes it less peaceful and more likely to fail

I have to admit I was one of these people and my reasoning was to increase my chance of success. My idea was the SN route but with a sturdy rope around my neck in the woods. I figured I wouldn't have to kick the buckets, just pass out and double my chances of success.