Why do normies care so much about suicide?

[come to dust]

If I google sanctioned suicide all these pop ups for helplines come up. Suicide is treated as if it is as critical a trauma as a car accident. I don't get why normies suddenly panic when suicide becomes a possibility.

In western society, there are 5x more empty houses than homeless people. The top 100 richest people could purchase the technology to save the world from climate change but can't be bothered. The average worker has to slave away for a pittance while the rich passively earn money off their dividends from stocks, rent and interest from savings. People regularly die due to lack of healthcare provision in society. Governments spend trillions of dollars bombing places for no reason. So my question is: why does society suddenly feel so guilty about suicide and euthanasia? The world is slowly dying and no one cares anyway, so why pretend to care about suicidal people (just to guilt trip them maybe?)

 

[OddOne]

In western society, there are 5x more empty houses than homeless people. The top 100 richest people could purchase the technology to save the world from climate change but can't be bothered. The average worker has to slave away for a pittance while the rich passively earn money off their stocks, rent and savings. People regularly die due to lack of healthcare provision in society. Governments spend trillions of dollars bombing places for no reason. So my question is: why does society suddenly feel so guilty about suicide and euthanasia? The world is slowly dying and no one cares anyway, so why pretend to care about suicidal people (just to guilt trip them maybe?)

Preach!!!!!!!!

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

If I google sanctioned suicide all these pop ups for helplines come up. Suicide is treated as if it is as critical a trauma as a car accident. I don't get why normies suddenly panic when suicide becomes a possibility.

In western society, there are 5x more empty houses than homeless people. The top 100 richest people could purchase the technology to save the world from climate change but can't be bothered. The average worker has to slave away for a pittance while the rich passively earn money off their stocks, rent and savings. People regularly die due to lack of healthcare provision in society. Governments spend trillions of dollars bombing places for no reason. So my question is: why does society suddenly feel so guilty about suicide and euthanasia? The world is slowly dying and no one cares anyway, so why pretend to care about suicidal people (just to guilt trip them maybe?)

Because most of that is so pervasive and so far removed from our control that unless we directly interact with them they exist as a sort of abstraction at the periphery of our lives. Even reading it daily in the news, unless you're a refugee or your grandparent is a survivor of Auschwitz or something along those lines, it's far away. Homelessness is in our faces every day but the root causes are bigger than Goliath was to the David. It's all so big it's hard to put a human face on it.

Suicide, on the other hand, is something a person does autonomously and almost always alone. It's nothing but human. In most cultures, religion moralizes against it, plus the sterilization of the death process and the distance kept between that and the living mean that there is fear and mystery around it. Add to that the pain people feel when they lose a loved one and they then see death as a thing to avoid at all costs.

I agree in some cases, disagree in others. It's a tough situation for most because of the cultural emphasis, and the discrepancies you listed make it hard for people inclined toward taking their own lives. I can see why you're so frustrated.

 

[devil]

because society is all about control and everyone likes to brag and feel good about themselves if they can " save someone "

 

[NotMeant2B]

Taxes, workforce. There are neither politicians nor wealthy people without... people.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

Taxes, workforce. There are neither politicians nor wealthy people without... people.

I am one person. Due to mental/physical illness, I have been mostly NEET/underemployed.
At age 56, I have paid taxes once—$956.30. I still remember the amount because it only happened once.
I don't qualify for disability or welfare, so I don't contribute to the political class or the oligarchy.
Therefore, I should be allowed to end my life. I'm not enriching our corporate overlords.
Heck, I am not even "living"

 

[issyishere]

They've never contemplated how we might think. People are afraid of what they don't understand. We're weird and foreign to them. We're sick and unwell to them but I personally think we've deviated from the normal way of thinking and are trekking on a new way of thinking like a highway vs an empty backroad. Signs people were there but it's empty now. They won't understand we took the backroad because it'll get us to our destination faster.

 

[TheOA]

because society is all about control and everyone likes to brag and feel good about themselves if they can " save someone "

I really appreciate this. I also believe it is more about control than anything else. All rooted in fear....fear of losing someone, fear of missing out on something, fear of not knowing, fear of not being in control of a life event (death) that disrupts things. I would like to believe that for most their responses are rooted in altruism but I am not that naive....

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

I heard something about the church's deciding to call it a sin so they wouldn't lose business, and that this is the same reason hell was invented.

 

[tardis]

I think very few people care about actual people who commit suicide. Normies think about their loved ones doing it. If they knew the kind of people who usually commit suicide, they wouldn't care.

 

[Mm80]

Good question. We know most people are pro lifers but dont always keep an open mind ourselves and ask ourselves why.

I think its because we all have a built in mechanism to survive and therefore a fear of death. On here we call it survival instinct SI, and it keeps a lot of people from ctb. I think when someone is consciously choosing not to survive, it confuses pro lifers and they just dont get it ,and when people dont understand things they look to control and label them. Project their fear of death onto us. Close it off as a bad choice, invent a narrative of mental illness being the cause. Dare i say their may be some jeaulosy in others, that they dont particularly enjoy life but feel trapped in it and cannot get to the liberated state of choosing not to continue!, ie life is shit but why should you get out of it when im plodding along?
And then the hero theory. What do all or most of the superheroes do in films etc? They save lives. Saving someones life is seen as the biggest heroic act, which is fine if that person doesnt want to die lol.
Its also been built into the idea of society that enduring adversity is a moral good thing and makes a person strong . A narrative that suits society as it makes the rich richer and the world more productive. So if somebody chooses the opposite and ctb, they must be weak and immoral. When the truth is ctb is much harder and braver than enduring adversity as we are overcoming SI and going into the unknown, peoples biggest fears.
On a happier note there are actually some nice souls out there, who may like us, and genuinly want to help ease our suffering in this life and support us and live through it together. There are some good people that are pro lifers and want us to enjoy ours, and thar should be appreciated too.
Thanks.

 

[HadEnough1974]

If I google sanctioned suicide all these pop ups for helplines come up. Suicide is treated as if it is as critical a trauma as a car accident. I don't get why normies suddenly panic when suicide becomes a possibility.

In western society, there are 5x more empty houses than homeless people. The top 100 richest people could purchase the technology to save the world from climate change but can't be bothered. The average worker has to slave away for a pittance while the rich passively earn money off their dividends from stocks, rent and interest from savings. People regularly die due to lack of healthcare provision in society. Governments spend trillions of dollars bombing places for no reason. So my question is: why does society suddenly feel so guilty about suicide and euthanasia? The world is slowly dying and no one cares anyway, so why pretend to care about suicidal people (just to guilt trip them maybe?)

They need to keep us alive because we pay taxes and make the rich richer!!

 

[Heart of Ice]

Judging by what I see on the internet, suicidality a pretty normie thing nowadays. We are the normies.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Judging by what I see on the internet, suicidality a pretty normie thing nowadays. We are the normies.

I feel chilled that I can actually see that.

 

[calendulo]

In western society, there are 5x more empty houses than homeless people. The top 100 richest people could purchase the technology to save the world from climate change but can't be bothered. The average worker has to slave away for a pittance while the rich passively earn money off their dividends from stocks, rent and interest from savings. People regularly die due to lack of healthcare provision in society. Governments spend trillions of dollars bombing places for no reason. So my question is: why does society suddenly feel so guilty about suicide and euthanasia? The world is slowly dying and no one cares anyway, so why pretend to care about suicidal people (just to guilt trip them maybe?)

I am not be clear what means normie, but it sounds to me like something related with establishment or mainstream.......maybe, too much modern to me.

But, Congratulations for this post........I've read a lot of post from here......but that is the best or if it is not.....it is very close to be one of them.....
Straightforward and superunderstandable....
Besides, I am totally agree with all.....

Sorry, I can not answer the question because I do not know what to say after you already have said in your post.
Great post.

 

[mukluk0713]

Honestly I think as the class gap grows and grows, the working class is more necessary to keep the cogs running even as our quality of life becomes worse and worse. I mean, who else is going to work several jobs that still can't pay all of your bills doing menial labor for others? Not to mention that (in the US at least) minimum wage hasn't budged for 10 years.

I second Heart of Ice's post above, though. We are the normies. Suicide or suicidal feelings has just become part of the norm in our society as of late. I can't name one friend or even family member who doesn't struggle with the urge to die at least once a month. It's like a symptom of the world we live in, but society has conditioned us to feel that those feelings are invalid or weak or what have you. Sigh. Really horrible to think that while depression and really all mental illness is demonized, so too is our only means of escape, of getting help, of doing anything to combat it or take control of your own life.

 

[TAW122]

Good answers everyone and for me, it's because they are programmed to believe that "life is good, death is bad" and that anything that challenges or questions or opposes that narrative is met with disdain and strong resistance. Also there are selfish people who just care about themselves and how another's suicide affects them rather than the suicidal's interests.

I'd like to throw a hypothesis out there that it is also possible that since most suicidal people are usually down on their luck, resources, in a very vulnerable position, it seems like people can "get away" with abusing and mistreating them while at the same time patting themselves on the back (as well as gaining society's approval) for saving them and sticking it them.

I found this quote to be relevant to what I'm saying. (Take from this reddit thread) I don't know exactly who the user is as it shows "[deleted]'' which means that either the user or reddit removed the person.

Suicidal people are the perfect victims for bullies such as employers, doctors, and so-called friends, because they can do whatever the fuck they want to us, charge us money we just don't have for it, and earn the praises of society for both "helping someone in need" and sticking it to suicidal people. Also, we don't fight back.

So if suicidal people put up more of a resistance and/or gave normies something to be afraid of and not as easy targets for patronisation, intervention, mistreatment, it is possible that normies would be less likely to prey on them, but what do I know..

 

[mukluk0713]

Good answers everyone and for me, it's because they are programmed to believe that "life is good, death is bad" and that anything that challenges or questions or opposes that narrative is met with disdain and strong resistance. Also there are selfish people who just care about themselves and how another's suicide affects them rather than the suicidal's interests.

I'd like to throw a hypothesis out there that it is also possible that since most suicidal people are usually down on their luck, resources, in a very vulnerable position, it seems like people can "get away" with abusing and mistreating them while at the same time patting themselves on the back (as well as gaining society's approval) for saving them and sticking it them.

I found this quote to be relevant to what I'm saying. (Take from this reddit thread) I don't know exactly who the user is as it shows "[deleted]'' which means that either the user or reddit removed the person.



So if suicidal people put up more of a resistance and/or gave normies something to be afraid of and not as easy targets for patronisation, intervention, mistreatment, it is possible that normies would be less likely to prey on them, but what do I know..

Oh my gosh, I know I just posted but THANK YOU for putting this into words, I'm actually in a situation right now where someone took me in to 'help me' after fleeing my abusive marriage and then proceeded to talk to me like I was utter trash, jump my shit over the smallest things because "it ain't my house and I don't pay bills" when I was handing them money every paycheck and coming home from 12 hour overnight shifts to do dishes and shit that they couldn't be bothered to do while not working, and finally say it wasn't working because I apologized too much and it was exhausting to listen to. The whole time I was thinking THIS but could not so eloquently put it into words. If I was anyone else in a better situation, if I was stronger and could find any will to fight back and wasn't in a position where I'd be met with homelessness if I did, this person would never treat me this way. So many awful people leap at the opportunity to take someone at their lowest and use it as an opportunity to feel powerful and like you can do whatever you want to someone while patting themselves on the back and saying that no matter how they acted, they were 'helping'. Ugh.

Just yeah, thank you for that post. I needed to see that. Made me feel so much better, even while I'm moving out today.

 

[S1mpleme]

If I google sanctioned suicide all these pop ups for helplines come up. Suicide is treated as if it is as critical a trauma as a car accident. I don't get why normies suddenly panic when suicide becomes a possibility.

In western society, there are 5x more empty houses than homeless people. The top 100 richest people could purchase the technology to save the world from climate change but can't be bothered. The average worker has to slave away for a pittance while the rich passively earn money off their dividends from stocks, rent and interest from savings. People regularly die due to lack of healthcare provision in society. Governments spend trillions of dollars bombing places for no reason. So my question is: why does society suddenly feel so guilty about suicide and euthanasia? The world is slowly dying and no one cares anyway, so why pretend to care about suicidal people (just to guilt trip them maybe?)

Nobody feels guilty, nobody cares at all. They keep people alive to get more money from them, to get human as resource. I bet government and that 1% the richest that own 99% don't want to work, that's why they need slaves like us. Human life and health mean nothing in this world, just a way to make money or get anything else. Don't be fooled if some says he's sorry about your problems with that fake smile on his face, that's all bullshit.

 

[Dude1983]

We all sure were normies wanting to live, before unbearable mental or physical pain got into our life. Humans are so limited, ignorant and most times retarded so they like to talk shit they don´t know about it even if they suspect they may be talking shit, but i think the main point for pro-lifers is to feel themselves like saviours or heroes, or may be just sound nice at the moment, but they have not intention to harm, they are just ignorants in a happy world, what a luck.