Discussion Why aren’t people injecting N?

[its-about-time]

Just curious. N isn't my method and I don't know a ton about it. Recently learned it's vet grade N, not human, that people are buying from D. The vet stuff is meant to be injected into bloodstream. Sure it works to swallow but is apparently pretty unpleasant. Needles are easy to find and cheap, and with just a little practice, it's not difficult to find a vein. It would eliminate the nausea (I think) and unpleasant taste issues.

Those of you intending to use N, are you swallowing or injecting, and why?

 

[BigG91]

Just curious. N isn't my method and I don't know a ton about it. Recently learned it's vet grade N, not human, that people are buying from D. The vet stuff is meant to be injected into bloodstream. Sure it works to swallow but is apparently pretty unpleasant. Needles are easy to find and cheap, and with just a little practice, it's not difficult to find a vein. It would eliminate the nausea (I think) and unpleasant taste issues.

Those of you intending to use N, are you swallowing or injecting, and why?

Pentobarbital is available in Liquid form which is for injecting and the powdered form is consumed and the dosages are different. I think there's more info in the PPeH and The Final Exit. .

 

[simulatingpenfart]

Indeed it would be best to get it absorbed into the bloodstream as quick as possible. I'm not super informed on the topic, but to give it my best guess injecting has far more probability that you fail, whether it be from not finding a vein, losing consciousness during the process and having the IV needle fall out, or just plain having SI kick in and alerting someone while it's injecting.

Another side note is that most information online about euthanasia is targeted at the elderly who don't have much dexterity, and would have a much harder time self injecting oneself.

In medical environments where euthanasia is legal, it is injected rather than orally prescribed. (For example, Nitschke's Deliverance Machine)

Edit: And I forgot, most importantly liquid is is what is most readily available. So even though powered/pills are better for swallowing, good luck finding them.

 

[eguiö]

Yeah I would be scared of losing conciousness before having ingested enough

 

[sandalphon]

Because ingesting it works just as well. Just take something sweet after drinking. Injecting is not worth the additional effort.

 

[lostmylove]

Idk . I kinda like the idea of drinking and having few minutes to go to sleep. Having an injection makes it more difficult mentally for me at least
Also it may need iv drip rather than straight up injection, maybe a logistical nightmare. There's also chance you pass out before taking all the medicine if self administrating.

 

[downndone2]

It is too difficult to inject the full amount yourself. If I ever go home from the hospital with a picc line again, it could easily be done by iv bolus though

 

[yeh it's all gucci]

I think it's because it's too hard to inject yourself with the full amount required without running the risk of losing consciousness. I think when they do it in the clinics it's done via drip? I'm not sure.

 

[downndone2]

It is too difficult to inject the full amount yourself. If I ever go home from the hospital with a picc line again, it could easily be done by iv bolus though

Like you wouldnt be able to inject the full amount with just a needle before youd lose consciousness. Also too hard to start an iv on your own.

 

[OldDrummer]

I've been in hospitals where I needed to give a blood sample and even a trained nurse couldn't find a vein in my arm!

Unless you're a trained pro or an IV drug taker, you've little chance as a civilian.

 

[Sunset Limited]

For N injection, it will be necessary to insert a cannula into the vein. The flow rate that a needle will offer is not enough to push the required dose. A drip infusion is a better idea than a bolus dose, as Pegasos does. It is not realistic to manage all this for someone without IV experience but not impossible either.

 

[ornitier199]

Pentobarbital is available in Liquid form which is for injecting and the powdered form is consumed and the dosages are different. I think there's more info in the PPeH and The Final Exit. .

I couldn't download that document. I really need this.

 

[its-about-time]

Well I'm learning a lot here! It seemed so simple but turns out it is anything but. Thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge :)

 

[lostmylove]

I couldn't download that document. I really need this.

If you're on laptop/ pc
Open google chrome, go to the thread where the link is and click save as. It will start downloading. May pause and fail again and again every few mb. just keep restarting it until eventually it all downloads and you'll have the pdf

 

[ornitier199]

If you're on laptop/ pc
Open google chrome, go to the thread where the link is and click save as. It will start downloading. May pause and fail again and again every few mb. just keep restarting it until eventually it all downloads and you'll have the pdf

That did it. I see why I couldn't open it in the browser's pdf viewer, document is over 140 mb.

 

[LeavingEarly]

For N injection, it will be necessary to insert a cannula into the vein. The flow rate that a needle will offer is not enough to push the required dose. A drip infusion is a better idea than a bolus dose, as Pegasos does. It is not realistic to manage all this for someone without IV experience but not impossible either.

Are you involved with Pegasos? Just curious how you know their method or have you applied and been approved?

 

[Hercules]

Pentobarbital is available in Liquid form which is for injecting and the powdered form is consumed and the dosages are different. I think there's more info in the PPeH and The Final Exit. .

The euthanasia clinics used powdered N. The powdered N is better as it is pure N and, you would need to drink less of it. Unfortunately there are no known reliable sellers of powdered N at this time. You can only get the injectable N.

Just curious. N isn't my method and I don't know a ton about it. Recently learned it's vet grade N, not human, that people are buying from D. The vet stuff is meant to be injected into bloodstream. Sure it works to swallow but is apparently pretty unpleasant. Needles are easy to find and cheap, and with just a little practice, it's not difficult to find a vein. It would eliminate the nausea (I think) and unpleasant taste issues.

Those of you intending to use N, are you swallowing or injecting, and why?

You can't use a needle to inject the N in a vein. The N takes effect immediately, and you would fall asleep before you finished injecting it all. You would need an IV set up. This isn't practical for the average person. First it would be hard for most people to get the needed equipment unless they worked in the medical field. Also the average person doesn't have the necessary training to know how to set up and IV properly. It is harder than it looks. I have had to have an IV set up in the hospital before. The regular nurses always call in an IV nurse who has specialized training to set up the IV. Sometimes even they have trouble setting it up despite their training.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Are you involved with Pegasos? Just curious how you know their method or have you applied and been approved?

I read here that Pegasos applies N by IV route. There was also a video about it. I did not apply to Pegasos. I don't have terminal illness, and it's too expensive for me.

 

[LeavingEarly]

I read here that Pegasos applies N by IV route. There was also a video about it. I did not apply to Pegasos. I don't have terminal illness, and it's too expensive for me.

Are there any other cheaper options like Pegasos for international travelers??

 

[Sunset Limited]

Are there any other cheaper options like Pegasos for international travelers??

I really don't know sorry. I haven't researched much about assisted suicide because I can't even pay for less. There are too many criteria out there. There seems to be no cheap and easily accessible euthanasia establishment. Even those who can buy N here consider themselves lucky.

 

[Manaaja]

The biggest reason for me would be that I have the world's worst needlephobia. I go into panic just seeing a needle, I wish needles never existed. I'd rather take a pill, tablet, spray, cream...

I just remembered, as a child it was pretty impossible for me to take a pill or tablet. I literally couldn't swallow them and I hated taking them. I can now though.

 

[summers]

It is too difficult to inject the full amount yourself. If I ever go home from the hospital with a picc line again, it could easily be done by iv bolus though

Not if you get Euthasol or Exagon, both of which are 400mg/ml. Then you're talking 10ml max.

 

[ArcherFiles44]

Just curious. N isn't my method and I don't know a ton about it. Recently learned it's vet grade N, not human, that people are buying from D. The vet stuff is meant to be injected into bloodstream. Sure it works to swallow but is apparently pretty unpleasant. Needles are easy to find and cheap, and with just a little practice, it's not difficult to find a vein. It would eliminate the nausea (I think) and unpleasant taste issues.

Those of you intending to use N, are you swallowing or injecting, and why?

Can someone (pm) clue me in what is D?

I really don't know sorry. I haven't researched much about assisted suicide because I can't even pay for less. There are too many criteria out there. There seems to be no cheap and easily accessible euthanasia establishment. Even those who can buy N here consider themselves lucky.

No one doing anything underground like the dark web, etc.

 

[LifeHasNoOptIn]

Can someone (pm) clue me in what is D?

No one doing anything underground like the dark web, etc.

D is a current source for N that appears to be reliable based on recent accounts. To learn more download the PPeH from the link in the mod post on this forum. You may have to restart the download numerous times to get it to complete, but its worth it. It has a wealth of info as well as a contact email for D.

 

[downndone2]

Not if you get Euthasol or Exagon, both of which are 400mg/ml. Then you're talking 10ml max.

Good luck obtaining that though

 

[DyingMiND]

Are there any other cheaper options like Pegasos for international travelers??

Not that I know of. I researched dignitas, life circle and pegasos and they all had the same price, roughly, around 10k.

 

[Smart No More]

Another issue with injecting N is that if any misses the vein there is some nasty necrosis of the skin and flesh around it. I haven't personally seen this as I don't know where to find such examples however a relaible source (someone with some medical experience) made me aware of it fairly recently.

An interesting (though short) thread on an attempt to inject N.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/an-experience-and-information-on-injecting-n.70624/