Why aren't benzos more commonly used with SN?

[InTheAirTonight]

It seems like a peaceful way to go if you time your benzos and take SN just before you fall asleep. But I rarely see people do this. How come? Is it hard to get benzos these days?

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

I have piles of benzos but I hate the feeling and I want to be able to think clearly during the process. I don't know why but this is important.
Your idea makes sense though.

 

[InTheAirTonight]

I have piles of benzos but I hate the feeling and I want to be able to think clearly during the process. I don't know why but this is important.
Your idea makes sense though.

Which benzo do you have? How quickly does it work? I want to get the fastest one

 

[Busdriver]

Man!! I AM STILL WONDERING THIS!
Benzos with SN might come close to N, I think.

I think nobody really knows or has done SN with the right amount of benzos to mimic N.

Even super experts Quarky00, jgm63, and Stan don't really know.

It is just like with 'benzobarbital'. Nobody really has documented experiences with it.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

Which benzo do you have? How quickly does it work? I want to get the fastest one

I didn't really notice great difference in the time of acting, they are all pretty fast and if I took 3 or more it kicked in even faster.
But I am not very savvy, benzos not my thing, my psychiatrist just likes to prescribe them

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Diazepam (Valium) is slow-acting and taking more does not make it kick in faster. It starts kicking in at 20 min but doesn't really start doing its thing until after an hour or more. So it would be good to combine with a short-acting benzo.

 

[mediocre]

They are harder to get especially for me I'd love Xanax but that can only be prescribed in very rare circumstances.

 

[Busdriver]

There are slow-acting benzos: flurazepam and diazepam.

Fast-acting: midazolam, flunitrazepam, lorazepam, and temazepam.

There are also a lot more other benzos, which I have to investigate.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Wouldn't the hardcore ones work pretty well? The knockout date rape ones?

 

[calendulo]

I have a theory about using benzos together SN. It is not scientist, just reading posts.
As SN must to be a little bit painful, then someone would think that taking a benzo before to take SN, you should fall asleep and finally SN would do its job while oneself is deeply sleeping.

 

[Busdriver]

Jumper Geo gave some advice on how to incorporate a regular benzo dosis (20mg) and a stronger dosis (50mg) of Diazepam in our regimen in this post.

You take the bigger dosis and the moment you feel about to go into sleep of the benzo, you take the SN.

 

[autumnal]

Presumably because a lot of doctors are unfortunately very reluctant to prescribe them these days

 

[xBrialesana]

Personally I think more people would but they're just very difficult to get by doctors, and on the streets benzos are so sketchy right now.

 

[Pryras]

I managed to get a prescription for Meto and had pescription painkillers from prior surgeries that I never used but wasn't able to get one for any Benzos. Can't speak for everyone but its difficult to get a prescription for it and doctors here will prescribe you a plethora of meds before suggesting them.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I personally definitely plan to do it with benzos. First Valium a couple of hours before to get me calm, then Xanax and lorazepam 45 minutes prior or so. This also ensures that I'm unable to call for help or I'm too out of it to say what I've taken in case SI kicks in.

 

[Oppenheimer]

There are ultra-fast benzos that put you down in 10 minutes, like Midazolam or Zolpidem. But if you are not used to them, you may fall sleep even before taking the SN, specially if you are fasting. They are design for people who have diffculty STARTING the sleep cicle, so they have a very short duration compared to the other (4-6 hours).

antipsychotic drugs Like Risperidone (3mg) or Olanzapine would also put you down very fast.

 

[enjolras]

Zolpidem is a hypnotic, not benzo? Personally, I show some resistance against it (also not very responsive to alcohol or weed at early stages). Respecting the recommended doses, if I miss the peak sleep-inducing effect due to distraction, I just feel groggy for quite some time.
Midazolam, dreaming to figure it out in concrete, cause promising but mysterious (oral time of onset), playing hard to get

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true."
> The pessimist fears it can't get worse. The optimist is confident it can. ;)

 

[GoneGoneGone]

Zolpidem is a hypnotic, not benzo? Personally, I show some resistance against it (also not very responsive to alcohol or weed at early stages). Respecting the recommended doses, if I miss the peak sleep-inducing effect due to distraction, I just feel groggy for quite some time.
Midazolam, dreaming to figure it out in concrete, cause promising but mysterious (oral time of onset), playing hard to get

"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true."
> The pessimist fears it can't get worse. The optimist is confident it can. ;)

True, Zolpidem (or Ambien) is a nonbenzo.
It puts you to sleep in 15 minutes (my experience).
Zopiclone is also good and fast-acting.

 

[autumnal]

A very useful table comparing benzo dosage, onset and duration:

http://www.vhpharmsci.com/VHFormulary/Tools/Benzodiazepines-comparison.htm
[or archived version here]

 

[Busdriver]

There are ultra-fast benzos that put you down in 10 minutes, like Midazolam or Zolpidem. But if you are not used to them, you may fall sleep even before taking the SN, specially if you are fasting. They are design for people who have diffculty STARTING the sleep cicle, so they have a very short duration compared to the other (4-6 hours).

antipsychotic drugs Like Risperidone (3mg) or Olanzapine would also put you down very fast.

Very useful. So Midazolam and Zolpidem fit well in the SN regimen.

I wonder why the benzos Temazepam and Flurazepam are not mentioned profoundly, because these benzos are made for people with insomnia.

And I agree that people here are not always using benzos because they are hard to get. It is Rx or darknet only.
Also, because we do not want to overcomplicate the SN regimen, but still.. some good benzos would make SN rival N.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I wonder why the benzos Temazepam and Flurazepam are not mentioned profoundly, because these benzos are made for people with insomnia.

I guess it depends which benzos are popular and accessible in which country...

 

[enjolras]

I've seen Flurazepam mentioned several times as an appropriate alternative with a hypnotic goal
Temazepam is classed hypnotic therapeutically too but intermediate acting with slow onset (30-60 minute, apparently not that much different than Diazepam oral, not IV ? according to some testimonials on SS)

Indeed, some can be disapproved and taken out of the market: i.e. Flunitrazepam, used in heavy doses by most every tester of the initial DeBreather design in the 2000s

List of benzodiazepines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting find

Benzodiazepines: Uses, Side Effects, Types, Interactions, Addition, Withdrawal

Read about benzodiazepines, a drug class used for treating anxiety, panic attacks, depression, insomnia, and others. Learn about uses, different types, side effects, drug interactions, drug list, addition, and withdrawal.

www.rxlist.com

Depending on benzo choice, you'd presumably sequence Tagamet or antacid after/before, according to the current timetable. What about the incidence ?

 

[Busdriver]

I've seen Flurazepam mentioned several times as an appropriate alternative with a hypnotic goal
Temazepam is classed hypnotic therapeutically too but intermediate acting with slow onset (30-60 minute, apparently not that much different than Diazepam oral, not IV ? according to some testimonials on SS)

Indeed, some can be disapproved and taken out of the market: i.e. Flunitrazepam, used in heavy doses by most every tester of the initial DeBreather design in the 2000s

List of benzodiazepines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting find
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Benzodiazepines: Uses, Side Effects, Types, Interactions, Addition, Withdrawal

Read about benzodiazepines, a drug class used for treating anxiety, panic attacks, depression, insomnia, and others. Learn about uses, different types, side effects, drug interactions, drug list, addition, and withdrawal.

www.rxlist.com

Depending on benzo choice, you'd presumably sequence Tagamet or antacid after/before, according to the current timetable. What about the incidence ?

Interesting material.
We would need a long-acting and a quick-to-work benzo. According to this overview Flurazepam could then be used if you don't prefer IV injection.

So antacids might have bad interaction with benzos. I read in Quarky00's topic if we are unsure about antacids, then skip the antacid. So acid regulators (Tagamet, Famotidine, Ranitidine) are the better thing to have then, as adviced in his topic.

Antacid could still be used, maybe a small dosis in the regimen same time..

 

[enjolras]

Bad ...or good interaction ? Depends on the side-effects encountered, cause amongst the "most common" there are ones you'd want like dizziness and sedation. Here comes the optimistic/pessimist positioning. Guessing the potentiation may more or less be trivial versus a good reaction to a benzo not taking you by surprise, then acting profoundly

 

[Busdriver]

Yes, side effects like dizziness and sedation are wanted by us. You can get these desired side effects when using cimetidine (Tagamet), an acid reducer, according to the source you mentioned.

Same source also states that antacids may reduce rate of absorption of benzodiazepines from the intestine. This indicates a part of the benzo will not be absorped, and therefore part of the benzo will be useless.
Or did I read it wrong?

I checked interactions between antacid, Maalox, and Temazepam/Flurazepam/Diazepam/Lorazepam/Midazolam on www.drugs.com. It shows minor interactions between the benzos and magnesium hydroxide and between benzos and aluminum hydroxide. It doesn't mention what the results are of these interactions, but it seems a minor part of the benzos is rendered ineffective, I assume. Which could mean that if you want to use a benzo together with an antacid: you could increase the benzo dosage a bit.

I also checked interactions between Cimetidine and the aformentioned benzos. Temazepam/Lorazepam have no interactions with Cimetidine. Diazepam/Flurazepam/Midazolam have moderate interactions, indicating increased wanted side effects with Cimetidine.

 

[Angel79]

I have piles of benzos but I hate the feeling and I want to be able to think clearly during the process. I don't know why but this is important.
Your idea makes sense though.

I'm so jealous of your piles of benzo's. I've been trying to persuade my doctor to let me have some. And i'm not even lying to him. I have legit anxiety and he says he doesn't want to turn me into an addict. If only I could tell him that really really won't be an issue!!

 

[LastRide]

They are harder to get especially for me I'd love Xanax but that can only be prescribed in very rare circumstances.

What? Where I live they are dealing out Xanax like it's the last day of your life....

 

[mediocre]

What? Where I live they are dealing out Xanax like it's the last day of your life....

what country do you live in?

 

[BPD Barbie]

Presumably because a lot of doctors are unfortunately very reluctant to prescribe them these days

This. They aren't that easy to get hold of. My doctor won't even entertain the idea of prescribing them.

 

[LastRide]

what country do you live in?

France ! My doctor hands them out like candies....just doesn't do anything for me unfortunately !