Discussion Which drug is the most dangerous one?

[noname223]

My final answer would be Methamphetamine or simply Meth.

But actually I don't really know shit. I just know Lil Peep said this is where he drew the line. Lmao. And if Peep says that....I saw pictures of faces of people who were addicted to meth. And well it does not look pretty. I feel sad for these people.

Lethality wise/accidental ODs: fentanyl I guess

Accepted by the society: alcohol. There is the debate what is worse alcohol or weed. And I still think it is weed. A controversial take many people called me insane for in this forum. I debated it so often online I am sort of sick of it. So I won't engage in further discussion about it I think.

Sex: you can get SSTDs from it and you can produce another living sentient being in this world. Especially if a chemical imbalance in your brain gives you the feeling you were in love and your biological instincts overwhelm you. (It is more of a joke answer.)

honorable mentions: capitalism, attention, social media, many -isms/ideologies

Of course it depends in how you measure it. Where for example social acceptance should be a factor. Addictive potential or lethality. Or whether many people underestimate the danger of it.

I think my choice meth is influenced by what actually scares me the most. But cocaine also seems to fuck you up pretty hard.

What do you think?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Oxytocin because it leads to people falling in love and eventually making children. Very dangerous.

 

[whywere]

One of the analogs of fentanyl" Ohmefentanyl is supposed to be the or one of the very strongest ever from what I know of it. It is comparable to Carfentanil or Etorphine.

All 3 are around 28 times stronger than standard fentanyl.

I have been on Hydromorphone since my car crash, about 9 years and it still works great for the pain. I have 24/7 chronic pain.

Walter

 

[mazam]

Nitazeno: novo opioide é de 10 a 20 vezes mais potente do que fentanil.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Sugar is pretty bad and our governments have let the food industry sneak it into just about everything. I think it's bad because it's so innocuous compared to hard drugs. You don't start taking drugs, smoking, drinking alcohol without knowing they aren't good for you. I doubt people even realise how much sugar they are being tricked into eating thinking they are making reasonably healthy choices.

 

[ham and potatoes]

Nitazenes seem pretty damn dangerous. (Protonitazene, isotonitazene for example)
link for peer reviewed medical journal about them

 

[Ironborn]

Krokodil, I mean your flesh sloughs off you with this fucking stuff.

 

[Agon321]

If we talk about scale, sugar is a very worthy contender.

Of course, there are definitely more deadly substances, but relatively few people use them.
Sugar is consumed by almost everyone.

 

[sserafim]

Meth, fentanyl, nitazene, xylazine, krokodil

 

[Steff1337]

When it comes to atypical antipsychotics: Clozapine.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Meth, fentanyl, nitazene, xylazine, krokodil

Fentanyl sounds like it's based

 

[pilotviolin]

When it comes to atypical antipsychotics: Clozapine.

im not an expert, but i find it weird how many psychiatric medicines are prescribed for daily use, especially ones that just bind to so many receptors and have nasty withdrawals. i'm not totally against medication especially as someone self medicated, but i wonder why we aren't more flexible with it, do most medications only get their full potential in taking it daily? is that a flaw with psychiatry, that we aim for a consistent daily dose? my circumstances are different to others but ive had more success seeing medicine as tools for situations and not a daily thing i guess. what differs recreation from medicine? what are we trying to create when synthesising various phamceuticals?

anyway, i can't say whats MOST dangerous, lots of things can kill lol but i'll add various gases people try to inhale like freon or toulene could be added to the list

 

[sserafim]

im not an expert, but i find it weird how many psychiatric medicines are prescribed for daily use, especially ones that just bind to so many receptors and have nasty withdrawals. i'm not totally against medication especially as someone self medicated, but i wonder why we aren't more flexible with it, do most medications only get their full potential in taking it daily? is that a flaw with psychiatry, that we aim for a consistent daily dose? my circumstances are different to others but ive had more success seeing medicine as tools for situations and not a daily thing i guess. what differs recreation from medicine? what are we trying to create when synthesising various phamceuticals?

anyway, i can't say whats MOST dangerous, lots of things can kill lol but i'll add various gases people try to inhale like freon or toulene could be added to the list

It's because of money (like everything else in life). Psychiatry (and the rest of the medical/healthcare industry) and big pharma are some of the biggest industries. They're like cartels. They make billions of dollars in revenue each year. I'm pretty sure that psychiatrists get commissions for prescribing medications. Everyone is after money. They're only after money and profit

 

[noname223]

It's because of money (like everything else in life). Psychiatry (and the rest of the medical/healthcare industry) and big pharma are some of the biggest industries. They're like cartels. They make billions of dollars in revenue each year. I'm pretty sure that psychiatrists get commissions for prescribing medications. Everyone is after money. They're only after money and profit

This is not very logical considering the nature of most mental health medication. The US pharma lobby is extremely evil and greedy (not allowing generic medication for example). But having to take them daily has nothing to do with their money making scheme. One could argue that there is a lack of research on psychedelics in microdosing. But many do this as self-medication which is often way more damaging than helpful.

I can give an example with antipsychotics. This medication often comes along with a lot of nasty side effect and many antipsychotics are not that cheap. However, it is like the health care insurances are begging that the psychotic people take the medication. There are many people who suddenly stop taking them but this comes back as a rebound psychosis. And clinic stays are way way more expensive than the medication. The mental health industry would make way more money if the patient had come to clinics if everything was private. I met a patient in the clinic who always stopped taking the medication and she had 20 clinic stays in the last years. In Germany health care is free I wonder why the health care insurances lack money knowing cases like mine or her's.

 

[leloyon]

I would say depressants. Opioids, dissociatives, benzodiazepines and alcohol. Opioids include morphine, oxycontin, heroin, fentanyl, krokodil etc. I'm sure with the addiction potential and overdose potential I don't have to explain. Benzodiazepines are also incredibly addictive, withdrawal can cause seizures and death and mixing them with most drugs can cause you to black out at best and, of course, death. Dissociatives include ketamine and PCP. Surely I don't have to explain how PCP is bad, you've probably heard the horror stories already. Ketamine causes permanent bladder damage too. Alcohol both because of the liver damage, its effects and because of its legality. You can buy it legally at the corner store, you don't have to look for a plug or worry about arrest or shortage or anything. I remember an anecdote about a crackhead or junkie telling an alcoholic he felt bad for him because he could get his addiction on every corner. On top of that, there's a social incentive for the addiction. You'll likely go to meet people or hang out at a pub, or a club, or a party.
Inhalants as well, except nitrous oxide, which can have negative effects but unlike other inhalants is not known for causing you to randomly die. Yes, huffing inhalants like glue or gasoline or whatever other household product you use to get high can cause you to...just die, all of a sudden. Sudden Sniffing Death Syndrome, wacky name that you wouldn't think is actually a thing, is actually a thing.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

It's because of money (like everything else in life). Psychiatry (and the rest of the medical/healthcare industry) and big pharma are some of the biggest industries. They're like cartels. They make billions of dollars in revenue each year. I'm pretty sure that psychiatrists get commissions for prescribing medications. Everyone is after money. They're only after money and profit

This is absolutely true. I was in a rehab in mid 2000's and the main doctor had me sit in his office to talk about my meds. On his desk was a brochure from the manufacturer of a certain anti-depressant offering an incentive program that topped off with a tropical vacation branded as a business seminar (probably for tax write off purposes). It just so happened that he thought that same anti-depressant was just the one for me! I don't think he even gave a f#ck that it was out in the open, he was very materialistic in the way he carried himself, overdressed for his job, too nice a watch etc.

It's not just dollar for dollar kickbacks, it's a complex system to give pecks and opportunities masquerading as business expenses which are tax free or billable to the institutions they represent.

 

[DarkRange55]

Sugar is pretty bad and our governments have let the food industry sneak it into just about everything. I think it's bad because it's so innocuous compared to hard drugs. You don't start taking drugs, smoking, drinking alcohol without knowing they aren't good for you. I doubt people even realise how much sugar they are being tricked into eating thinking they are making reasonably healthy choices.

 

[amnesia999]

I'm pretty sure that psychiatrists get commissions for prescribing medications.

It depends, I guess. My psychiatrist used to give you free samples that he got from pharmaceutical representatives, so that when he put you on some new drug, you could try it out without having to pay for a prescription. That's gone. He also used to get all kinds of doodads and desk toys from pharmaceutical reps, including my favorite, pens (to feed my pen fetish). That dried up, too. :-( Now the pharmaceutical reps definitely get commissions; that's how they make their living, right?

(I always wondered why prescribing doctors weren't also sued in that huge Purdue Pharma opioid lawsuit, and think it's because they were the only ones who weren't on the take. Although I could be wrong about that.)

 

[whywere]

This is absolutely true. I was in a rehab in mid 2000's and the main doctor had me sit in his office to talk about my meds. On his desk was a brochure from the manufacturer of a certain anti-depressant offering an incentive program that topped off with a tropical vacation branded as a business seminar (probably for tax write off purposes). It just so happened that he thought that same anti-depressant was just the one for me! I don't think he even gave a f#ck that it was out in the open, he was very materialistic in the way he carried himself, overdressed for his job, too nice a watch etc.

It's not just dollar for dollar kickbacks, it's a complex system to give pecks and opportunities masquerading as business expenses which are tax free or billable to the institutions they represent.

100% agree with you.

Lots of well wishes and caring thoughts.

Walter

 

[Imagined_Euphoria]

Always the one you're addicted to.

 

[DarkRange55]

@noname223

https://youtu.be/zGSzj7ztszI?si=BmVhdmoc8OcNmLYA

https://youtu.be/tRafKxFKWnQ?si=wcFf5_6e02qNe79c