Which crimes should be punished harder?

[noname223]

Quite a complex topic. I am not an expert and I don't pretend that I had a true answer for it. Here is my gut feeling.

The judicial system is different from country to country. My main problem with the justice system is that rich and powerful people have an advantage because they can hire the best lawyers in the world. I have the feeling often celebrities get a bonus.

There was the case of a famous football manager in my country. He committed tax evasion. Before it got public they tried to pay the money back before the media could report about it. The judge said this should lesser his punishment, But honestly he just did it because he knew the media will report about it. He got 3,5 years imprisonment for evading taxes of roundabout 20 million euros. Not sure what to think about that. The thing I don't get why tax evasion is quite popular in circles of the elites. Some do it legally but others go so far to do it illegally. I cannot get why they risk prison for evading taxes. They have so much money they should not have to do that.

Honestly I don't have the feeling that I had the right to point at him and say he should have been a decade in prison. I am not a judge and I don't know all he details of the process. Though one can see that powerful people often will get less painful punishment than the average man. And this is simply unfair.

I was bullied as a teenager in school a lot. It is hard to punish teenagers (legally) for that. I think the schools don't do much against it. They pretend to do stuff against it but secretly most people don't care about that. This was at least my experience. Maybe bullying when adults do it should be harder punished. I think often the victims get blamed and I find that cynical. Sometimes the bullying is subtle and hard to report. I cannot say a lot about how widespread bullying is when people are adults. I have made different experiences. But I was often isolated the last years so I don't have much experience how it is like to be around other people.

In my opinion priests have to be punished way harder for molesting children. This is probably a quit popular answer. The big problem for me is the churches want to hide the crimes, don't taket the clearing up serious and raher protect the perpetrators. So many got away with it. It is a shame.

My parents ruined my life because they abused me. But I would never sue them. I mean they support me financially. The last thing I need they get a fine or stuff like that. The justice system cannot help me. The legislation could help me by implementing liberal assisted suicide laws but punshing my parent would only backfire.

I hope you have more sophisticated thoughts on the topic than me.

 

[actual_fox]

I wanted to say bullying as soon as I read the title of thread.

 

[Chinaski]

Not big on TOUGHER SENTENCES FOR X as this is often a reactionary politician's grab for the cheapest votes by feeding into very ugly prejudices and rarely ends with a just outcome for anyone. Having said that, imo there should be a special corner of hell reserved for people who are wilfully cruel to animals and these crimes are not sufficiently dealt with in criminal courts.

 

[Ringo]

At first I thought about positions used as mitigating conditions, but that would get a little off topic.

It surprises me that in many legislations adulterating food is not considered a serious crime, this usually ends in permanent consequences or directly death.

 

[CTB Dream]

Concept punish not good, allow thing happen one trama suffer what good punish come damage not go. Better not allow this not artificial human stop crime can why kill steal etc science study see reason remove. People think punish thunk world fair world real cruel chaos.

 

[MelancholyMagic]

for people who are wilfully cruel to animals and these crimes are not sufficiently dealt with in criminal courts.

Most people willingly consume animal products with knowledge that the animals were treated extremely cruelly (even if they try not to think about it often). The difference between someone abusing animals on the street or consuming them is minimal.

 

[Chinaski]

Most people willingly consume animal products with knowledge that the animals were treated extremely cruelly (even if they try not to think about it often). The difference between someone abusing animals on the street or consuming them is minimal.

Idk I'm unconvinced there's minimal difference between eating a bacon sandwich and treating an animal with direct and sadistic violence tbh. That said, I'm not a vegetarian or vegan but could not form a solid argument in favour of eating meat these days.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

Sexual violence, domestic violence, physical and sexual child abuse, and medical malpractice/negligence.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Sexual violence, domestic violence, physical and sexual child abuse.

This and any crimes against elderly people that are vulnerable.

 

[ManicPanic2018]

Suicide attempts. Give us fuckers the death penalty and do us a favour :P

Seriously though, the fact that attempting is illegal in so many places is just... too much of a mindfuck.

 

[HerculePoirot]

Suicide attempts. Give us fuckers the death penalty and do us a favour :P

Seriously though, the fact that attempting is illegal in so many places is just... too much of a mindfuck.

Problem: in many countries where death penalty still exists, the usual delay between sentence and execution is several years.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

I couldn't say. But I do know waddling around in a sailor's outfit with no pants on is punished too harshly.

 

[MelancholyMagic]

I'm unconvinced there's minimal difference between eating a bacon sandwich and treating an animal with direct and sadistic violence

A consumer of animal products directly contributes to the suffering of animals for pleasure, similar to someone who directly mistreats animals for pleasure.
Now, you are right in the sense that there may be a psychological difference: the person eating the sandwich may not be thinking about the harm they are causing, whereas the person abusing an animal does. But that doesn't make it OK.
That said, please consider being vegan! I've been one for years; it's easy to do and morally important!

 

[Chinaski]

A consumer of animal products directly contributes to the suffering of animals for pleasure, similar to someone who directly mistreats animals for pleasure.
Now, you are right in the sense that there may be a psychological difference: the person eating the sandwich may not be thinking about the harm they are causing, whereas the person abusing an animal does. But that doesn't make it OK.
That said, please consider being vegan! I've been one for years; it's easy to do and morally important!

I think there is a huge difference between direct sadistic harm and the indirect harm inflicted by consumerism but I'm not going to labour it as ultimately I'm just a carnivore weaselling out. Veganism requires a moral fibre l lack and fair play to you for sticking to it.

 

[Himalayan]

I wanted to say bullying as soon as I read the title of thread.

Agreed. The thing is, people don't have a good definition of bullying.
However, bullying. Systematic humiliation, the one that goes day by day, should be punished way harder

 

[Temporal_Anchorite]

Strongly disagree regarding tax evasion. Taxation is just state-sanctioned extortion, so I don't blame people for wanting to circumvent the system.

 

[Julgran]

Quite a complex topic. I am not an expert and I don't pretend that I had a true answer for it. Here is my gut feeling.

The judicial system is different from country to country. My main problem with the justice system is that rich and powerful people have an advantage because they can hire the best lawyers in the world. I have the feeling often celebrities get a bonus.

There was the case of a famous football manager in my country. He committed tax evasion. Before it got public they tried to pay the money back before the media could report about it. The judge said this should lesser his punishment, But honestly he just did it because he knew the media will report about it. He got 3,5 years imprisonment for evading taxes of roundabout 20 million euros. Not sure what to think about that. The thing I don't get why tax evasion is quite popular in circles of the elites. Some do it legally but others go so far to do it illegally. I cannot get why they risk prison for evading taxes. They have so much money they should not have to do that.

Honestly I don't have the feeling that I had the right to point at him and say he should have been a decade in prison. I am not a judge and I don't know all he details of the process. Though one can see that powerful people often will get less painful punishment than the average man. And this is simply unfair.

I was bullied as a teenager in school a lot. It is hard to punish teenagers (legally) for that. I think the schools don't do much against it. They pretend to do stuff against it but secretly most people don't care about that. This was at least my experience. Maybe bullying when adults do it should be harder punished. I think often the victims get blamed and I find that cynical. Sometimes the bullying is subtle and hard to report. I cannot say a lot about how widespread bullying is when people are adults. I have made different experiences. But I was often isolated the last years so I don't have much experience how it is like to be around other people.

In my opinion priests have to be punished way harder for molesting children. This is probably a quit popular answer. The big problem for me is the churches want to hide the crimes, don't taket the clearing up serious and raher protect the perpetrators. So many got away with it. It is a shame.

My parents ruined my life because they abused me. But I would never sue them. I mean they support me financially. The last thing I need they get a fine or stuff like that. The justice system cannot help me. The legislation could help me by implementing liberal assisted suicide laws but punshing my parent would only backfire.

I hope you have more sophisticated thoughts on the topic than me.

Interfering in other countries' internal affairs by starting illegal wars of aggression, since such wars usually end with extreme amounts of dead innocent people - but as long as there's a consensus that X country is bad, or that their head of state is a dictator, people don't seem to care for the long-term consequences. With this kind of logic, the USA might have been invaded several times already.

One other contender is ruining the environment with oil dumps in the oceans.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

Sexual violence, domestic violence, physical and sexual child abuse, and medical malpractice/negligence.

Spot on, I don't think I need to read further.

This and any crimes against elderly people that are vulnerable.

True, crimes vs elderly, vs vulnerable, scams/scammers and the like. Animal cruelty. Any crime we can think of where the punishment is either practically non-existent or hard to enforce could use looking at. Unenforced "crimes".

 

[Chinaski]

Strongly disagree regarding tax evasion. Taxation is just state-sanctioned extortion, so I don't blame people for wanting to circumvent the system.

If those who are wealthy enough to avoid paying tax want a police, judiciary and military who will protect their wealth, if they take advantage of an education system which will provide them with not only a workforce, but also the lawyers, doctors and accountants etc they will ultimately use, if they want a transport infrastructure which they can utilise to their own benefit, if they want a servile political class who can continually legislate in their interests, then yeah, they're going to have to financially contribute to it.

 

[Temporal_Anchorite]

If those who are wealthy enough to avoid paying tax want a police, judiciary and military who will protect their wealth, if they take advantage of an education system which will provide them with not only a workforce, but also the lawyers, doctors and accountants etc they will ultimately use, if they want a transport infrastructure which they can utilise to their own benefit, if they want a servile political class who can continually legislate in their interests, then yeah, they're going to have to financially contribute to it.

Yes, taxation is unfortunately a necessary evil to sustain the integral functions of a state that protects individual rights. But levying tax on a person's income, regardless of how rich or poor, should not be a thing. Instituting a land value tax is the most efficient and ethical means of state funding imo.

 

[Unhirable]

We need to become more animalistic with our punishments and give up any false idea of "justice." Because that shit doesn't exist.

It's about revenge so that is what we should prioritize.

 

[FireFox]

● Rape, sexual assault and domestic violence because far too men( women too) and those who help cover it up get away with it as the legal system fails to administer justice for victims.

●I also believe school builles including children who do racist bullying should be punished severely because builles grow up to be bully adults especially within positions of authority like the police and politics.

● abusive parents because child abuse causes the child to suffer for a lifetime. I believe an individual who abuses a child should never go free.

 

[madebrief]

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Fornication.

 

[makethepainstop]

Fornication.

WHAT??!! As long as the two adult parties are having a good time, screw that.

 

[Leemel]

Any crime by celebs or rich,famous.

 

[Celerity]

"white collar crime"

By dollars and cents, it costs more than street crime. The pathetic slaps on the wrists these criminals receive just makes the rich even more arrogant and reckless.

More of the fuckers who caused the 2008 recession should be in prison.