When is CTB okay?

[Esc9434]

Is CTB only okay for failed treatment of mental illnesses, debilitating physical injuries, and dire financial situations?

Outside of these issues, we should suck it up and continue to live?

I don't have none of these issue. I'll explain my ctb reason as the thread progresses.

 

[voyager]

CTB is okay for whatever reason the individual sees fit, imho. To me it's about self-determination. Only on a personal level can one decide if the decision is justified. I'd always recommend giving it some time, especially in younger people, and there's no harm in talking with others to get a different point of view or maybe gain insight from experience one hasn't aquired yet, but at the end of the day it's up to oneself to decide what is best for oneself.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

When your suffering is bigger than your will to live.

 

[departing]

CTB is up to the individual. When the individual decides that life is no longer living, then it's time to go. Sure... It's always worth trying to make things better. But sometimes things just weren't meant to be.

There are also people who simply don't want to live anymore. Nothing is necessarily bad in life. They just don't want to be around any longer.

 

[Esc9434]

Yeah, my reason to ctb is because I been sick for a long time. I'm very close to getting better, like any day now.

However, I have expended a lot of energy to get to this point. I'm tired and cannot fight anymore battles.

 

[BananaPancakes]

If you are close to getting better then it sounds like you should use your inner reserves to keep going. Believe me you have them.

 

[Una]

'When the show is no longer worth the candle" (A.W.)

 

[avoid_slow_death]

'When the show is no longer worth the candle" (A.W.)

Love this!
And in my opinion, it's when the will to live is overridden by the desire to be at peace.

 

[Una]

Love this!
And in my opinion, it's when the will to live is overridden by the desire to be at peace.

Allan Watts said it … in that beautiful voice of his.

My personal view is that will to live cannot be overridden as it is 'hard-wired' or 'coded', to use the popular technical terms, in every living creature, including, and especially humans. I say 'especially' because humans, unlike any other creature (at least as far as we know with certainty) have also been equipped with the ability to self-terminate, and, importantly, awareness of that ability. Those two seemingly opposite notions ('hard-wired will to live', ability to self-terminate, including the awareness of that ability) is where the conundrum, (or the 'secret' as some would say) lays. For most people – mostly dormant. But not for all and not always. The endless variety of ways and means those that, for whatever reason, have awaken to the 'conundrum' use to deal with it, is, in my view, one of the more eloquent testimonies to human diversity and complexity. As are the ways/means one turns to in order to silence the will to live for just long enough to cease to exist as a human.

 

[Alec]

The only actually real and valid reason for CTB is if a person personally feels and comes to a decision that this is what they want. It doesn't take an illness or being too old, what it takes is a decision, for whatever reason the person feels is important and valid, and we all have to respect that.

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

It's up to the individual. Ones persons reasons may differ from others and so on. No one but yourself can understand the turmoil you go through.

 

[Esc9434]

If you are close to getting better then it sounds like you should use your inner reserves to keep going. Believe me you have them.

Thanks for the advice! I really really appreciate it.

Unfortunately, I no longer have any inner reserves to fight future battles.

Feeling bad all the time has numbed me to a lot of things in life.

I'm going to try and exercise to see if I can build those reserves back up before ctb.

 

[BananaPancakes]

Thanks for the advice! I really really appreciate it.

Unfortunately, I no longer have any inner reserves to fight future battles.

Feeling bad all the time has numbed me to a lot of things in life.

I'm going to try and exercise to see if I can build those reserves back up before ctb.

That sounds like a really good idea. I am sure you will succeed and build those reserves back up as well as enjoy your life more in little steps.

 

[waterbottleman]

Is CTB only okay for failed treatment of mental illnesses, debilitating physical injuries, and dire financial situations?

Outside of these issues, we should suck it up and continue to live?

I don't have none of these issue. I'll explain my ctb reason as the thread progresses.

Only you can truly know for what reasons ctb is appropriate or not. Everyone is their own individual person.

I think I'm going to ctb really soon and my reasons are none of the reasons you mentioned.

 

[ready55]

It's too complex of a question for some simple one track answer. Some are in pain with no one who cares, some just logically assess and one day they're off, some are escaping whatever, and some, with time and effort can be brought to different conclusions over time. There's no meter reading on life that's gonna say well esc9434 it's time you ctb.

 

[Inmyhands]

I think it's only right when the person who wants to CTB have made that decision themselves, with no persuasion or dissuasion either way. This may take years, it may take weeks, who knows. The motivations may differ but their feelings are the same. Everything is relative and shouldn't be compared. What's chaos to the fly is a game to the cat. You must be true to yourself as an individual.

 

[faust]

CTB is always okay.
Let's deem CTB is same as death. We were nothing 13.8 billions of years and we will until the Universe ends it existence. The one who wants to die deserves to die. The one who wants to live deserves to live. We treat suicide like something odd, but suicide is a part of our life. We breathe the oxygen, this means that we are committing a suicide. Oxygen is killing us slowly. Oxidation process kills our body. Due to oxygen, free radicals appear in our body, destroy our cells, membranes, etc. So even if we don't know this, we are killing us.

 

[Una]

CTB is always okay.
Let's deem CTB is same as death. We were nothing 13.8 billions of years and we will until the Universe ends it existence. The one who wants to die deserves to die. The one who wants to live deserves to live. We treat suicide like something odd, but suicide is a part of our life. We breathe the oxygen, this means that we are committing a suicide. Oxygen is killing us slowly. Oxidation process kills our body. Due to oxygen, free radicals appear in our body, destroy our cells, membranes, etc. So even if we don't know this, we are killing us.

Hi 'faust',

Albeit, I am new here, it seems to me that CTB is just an acronym used as a substitute for term 'suicide' which, at least to some people, sounds too harsh.

In any case both, and many others used, mean - death. Death being the cessation of existence as we know it, and can ever know as humans. Suicide is not 'unnatural' death any more than a heart attack is. In both instances, the human 'machine' stops functioning. The obvious fact that, in the case of suicide, the 'machine' itself had caused the failure, is not 'unnatural' either. Because, at the time of its creation, the 'machine' was equipped with the 'cease all functions' ability and awareness of it. Neither justification nor permission required to use it. One is only ever accountable to oneself ... it is the stark, naked loneliness of that reasoning that frightens people at the very core of their beings. Out of that primal fear all other endless discussions, denials etc ensue.

I, personally, draw only one exception to the above reasoning – when a person (especially person under 25 years of age) is suffering and is actively seeking help ... communicates their distress but the help is either denied, inadequate or too late. I know this is likely to sound harsh, but it is my view that in those instances, of which, tragically, there is more every day, the person has not actually died by suicide .... suicide was only a 'vehicle' that carried the person to, real or imagined, safety ... the real cause of death was sadness ... the deepest sadness a human can ever feel ... the one of being rejected by the fellow humans.

 

[TAW122]

I think it is ultimately up to the individual to decide what his/her limit is and tolerance is (it is different for everyone). No two individuals have the same level of tolerance, patience, endurance, and resources and situations are all different. With that said, I think just about any reason can be a 'valid' reason to CTB, because what may seem to be a trivial matter to one, might be a catastrophe to another.

As for me, I believe that when life goes to shit, will continue to be shit, will require tremendous amounts of resource (money, time, effort) to just have a chance of improvement, and/or chronic unsolvable problems as well as the costs outweighing the benefits, then CTB would be a very valid choice for me. Therefore, it wouldn't need to be objectively bad (poor physical health, serious mental illness, dire financial hardship, poor relationships, etc.) to want to CTB.

 

[Emily123]

When we are in a condition that we can not enjoy our lives and there is no hope that it can get better

 

[Marktheghost]

When we are in a condition that we can not enjoy our lives and there is no hope that it can get better

Sounds like the best time to do it to me.

It's entirely up to the individual. Nobody chooses to exist. Everybody has the right to choose whether to live or die. I don't see why there should be conditions attached to that right.

 

[faust]

Hi 'faust',

Albeit, I am new here, it seems to me that CTB is just an acronym used as a substitute for term 'suicide' which, at least to some people, sounds too harsh.

In any case both, and many others used, mean - death. Death being the cessation of existence as we know it, and can ever know as humans. Suicide is not 'unnatural' death any more than a heart attack is. In both instances, the human 'machine' stops functioning. The obvious fact that, in the case of suicide, the 'machine' itself had caused the failure, is not 'unnatural' either. Because, at the time of its creation, the 'machine' was equipped with the 'cease all functions' ability and awareness of it. Neither justification nor permission required to use it. One is only ever accountable to oneself ... it is the stark, naked loneliness of that reasoning that frightens people at the very core of their beings. Out of that primal fear all other endless discussions, denials etc ensue.

I, personally, draw only one exception to the above reasoning – when a person (especially person under 25 years of age) is suffering and is actively seeking help ... communicates their distress but the help is either denied, inadequate or too late. I know this is likely to sound harsh, but it is my view that in those instances, of which, tragically, there is more every day, the person has not actually died by suicide .... suicide was only a 'vehicle' that carried the person to, real or imagined, safety ... the real cause of death was sadness ... the deepest sadness a human can ever feel ... the one of being rejected by the fellow humans.

Initially we did not have that "switch off" button, we developed it. When the mind started dominating over instincts, it became possible. Instant self-destruction became possible when people started thinking rationally. Don't know why, but we needed to develop for so long to simply create that "red button". Though other species did not need to have so complicated brains, suicidal behavior is natural to them. There is even such a thing called suicide-inducing parasitism, but a bit different.
Sometimes suicide is a way to avoid an irritant. It is like when we touch the iron, we instantly pull out the hand. And as I mentioned before, people learned to rationalize things. So if our conclusion is that nothing great will happen in our life, then we see nothing rational in existence itself.

 

[Donk]

i dont think its ok to ctb if he/is a caregiver. someone who depends on him/her emotionally and financially. but then again the pain can be so agonizing that ctb is only way to escape and find peace.

 

[Una]

Initially we did not have that "switch off" button, we developed it. When the mind started dominating over instincts, it became possible. Instant self-destruction became possible when people started thinking rationally. Don't know why, but we needed to develop for so long to simply create that "red button". Though other species did not need to have so complicated brains, suicidal behavior is natural to them. There is even such a thing called suicide-inducing parasitism, but a bit different.
Sometimes suicide is a way to avoid an irritant. It is like when we touch the iron, we instantly pull out the hand. And as I mentioned before, people learned to rationalize things. So if our conclusion is that nothing great will happen in our life, then we see nothing rational in existence itself.

Thank you for this … I did not know that there is a conclusive evidence about suicidal behaviour in other species or that there is such a thing as 'suicide-inducing parasitism' but will certainly look into it now.

 

[LastRide]

Whatever person's reasons might be to want to ctb....they always have to be respected ! No one knows how much another fellow human really has to suffer, and no one has the right to deem this suffering "irrational", "not strong enough", "not a valid reason to ctb...". I wake up every morning wishing I would not have woken up and it's a challenge for me to even get up and try....then during the day I just start "functioning" as much as my body allows me to (because my fight is with my body, I have to fight it every day from just giving up on life), and then I get through the day, I even enjoy it most of the times, and then every night the same feeling sets in..."how will I manage to pull myself through another day tomorrow?"....and the cycle repeats itself....if I did not have the assurance that my "self-switch-off" button was ready to function anytime, I would not have the courage to face life anymore. It's perverse, but it's knowing that there is death, when you want it, when you need it, that keeps me alive for the moment.....

 

[Esc9434]

That sounds like a really good idea. I am sure you will succeed and build those reserves back up as well as enjoy your life more in little steps.

I started to exercise. I feel better. Thanks for the encouragement.

 

[TVtrays]

If somebody is struggling enough to consistently want to ctb, I don't see a problem. Many people don't want to consider the possibility that life isn't exactly sacred. Death is a definite taboo that many cannot accept or even grasp out of fear but logically and through a lens of compassion, there really isn't anything wrong with suicide.

 

[NotMeantForHere]

Yeah, my reason to ctb is because I been sick for a long time. I'm very close to getting better, like any day now.

However, I have expended a lot of energy to get to this point. I'm tired and cannot fight anymore battles.

I don't think this is a bad reason to suicide, but like others have said if you're about to get better... But ultimately it's your choice. We can only handle so much..

 

[Esc9434]

I started to exercise. I feel better. Thanks for the encouragement.

Spoke too soon LOL. Feel numb and tired today.

 

[s1mplem3]

There is no good or bad, you have right to choose and no one knows better than you. There is no manual to life or book with answers to all questions. I'm sorry, but I can't tell you what to do but I'm here if you want to chat.