What does metoclopramide feel like? Does it cause stomach discomfort like meclizine does?

[NotWhatIExpected]

I'm sorry to post so many threads

 

[ghostspace]

In my experience, no; I take it as needed for a medical condition and don't experience any side effects.

 

[k75]

In my experience, no; I take it as needed for a medical condition and don't experience any side effects.

Same here. It eases stomach discomfort. At most, it can make me a little drowsy. I only take 5-10mg at a time, though. The higher the dose, the more at risk for side effects you are.

 

[Epsilon0]

I had severe side effects from meto. Muscle spams that caused my neck to contract painfully and turn to the right. It was quite excruciating and I could not stop the neck from turning however hard I tried. At the time this happened, I was hospitalized (for a non ctb-related issue which caused me overwhelming nausea). They gave me a saline drop to flush the meto from my body.

It is apparently common to get muscle spams from meto in the face/neck area.

 

[Quarky00]

I don't really understand why you ask this ?

Meto is prokinetic -- eases stomach discomfort (basic)

Meclizine is antihistamine while Meto is dopamine and serotonin .

There is google . There is wiki . There is this site history . Resources and FAQs . Sorry but I honestly don't get it :)

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8679/metoclopramide-oral/details

 

[squirtsoda]

I felt no side effects from it. Some people get EPS, I did not. I thought I would have a high risk of EPS given that I got it from 2 other non anti emetic drugs.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I don't really understand why you ask this ?

Meto is prokinetic -- eases stomach discomfort . This is basic .

Meclizine is antihistamine while Meto is dopamine and serotonin . Totally different .

There is google . There is wiki . There is this site history . Resources and FAQs . Sorry but I honestly don't get it :)

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8679/metoclopramide-oral/details

Because meto requires a prescription and thus is to some degree out of my reach (not as bad as oxycontin or xanax or something but still)

I'm afraid of being reprimanded or denied if I try to get metoclopramide

I didn't want to risk going through all the hoops to get meto if it'll end up hurting my stomach

I'm considering just taking a few antacids, and maybe just risking the vomiting, and keeping a second glass of sodium nitrite nearby

 

[Quarky00]

Because meto requires a prescription and thus is to some degree out of my reach (not as bad as oxycontin or xanax or something but still)

I'm afraid of being reprimanded or denied if I try to get metoclopramide

I didn't want to risk going through all the hoops to get meto if it'll end up hurting my stomach

I'm considering just taking a few antacids, and maybe just risking the vomiting, and keeping a second glass of sodium nitrite nearby

Good question. You first asked "is meto good for stomach", which is a bit strange, yeah? I know, it takes time to phrase things.

To answer: it will not hurt stomach. It is the "ultimate" stomach helper, after all first-line treatments fail. So it is rather good for stomach.

It has very specific side-effects . Non of them involve the stomach itself . That is mentioned in the FAQ:

Antiemetics – "Meto"
Warnings:	Contraindications – SSRI, SNRI, TCAs, many anti-psychotics, and more. EPS effects – muscle spasms, jerky movements, tremors. Members reported other effects(non EPS): "extreme unease in body, driving me crazy" "made me feel very ill, my whole body" "after taking meto went to sleep 4 hour" "throbbing headache"

* I think you can tell doc you have tried Meclizine and Ondansetron -- but only Metoclopramide helped . There is a sample letter for physician in the FAQ , but really anything will work . You can do it

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Good question. You first asked "is meto good for stomach", which is a bit strange, yeah? I know, it takes time to phrase things.

To answer: it will not hurt stomach. It is the "ultimate" stomach helper, after all first-line treatments fail. So it is rather good for stomach.

It has very specific side-effects . Non of them involve the stomach itself . That is mentioned in the FAQ:

Antiemetics – "Meto"
Warnings:	Contraindications – SSRI, SNRI, TCAs, many anti-psychotics, and more. EPS effects – muscle spasms, jerky movements, tremors. Members reported other effects(non EPS): "extreme unease in body, driving me crazy" "made me feel very ill, my whole body" "after taking meto went to sleep 4 hour" "throbbing headache"

* I think you can tell doc you have tried Meclizine and Ondansetron -- but only Metoclopramide helped . There is a sample letter for physician in the FAQ , but really anything will work . You can do it

I don't remember writing it like that but I guess I easily could have before editing it

I don't want to lie to a doctor

I feel like that might make it harder for people to get meto

I also live with my family and am afraid they might notice

Another aspect of the lying to a doctor thing (not that I think it's important that people shouldn't just be able to have meto because they want it, because I think people should totally just have meto whenever they want, as well as whatever other supplies would make for an easy, painless death), is that I really don't want to kick back and "fight the system" or skirt it or whatever anymore

I don't want the repercussions of that

I just want to quietly be able to die

I don't want to be put in a situation where I have even less access to a peaceful method out

I guess if the opportunity was right in front of me to get meto and I didn't think I'd be penalized for it I'd certainly try it out to see what it would be like

For me the purpose of the anti-emetic was to reduce suffering

I might just depend on a few antacids and a few otc painkillers, hopefully it doesn't make my stomach burn like Mystic Perception said it would (interestingly she said she didn't really have an urge to throw up)

I think I may be overly confident after trying a test run of 25g of table salt in 50ml water like GoodPersonEffed said (didn't bother me at all although my honest suspicion is that Sodium Nitrite would probably be a lot worse--although I guess it's possible it won't be that much worse), and I had 15 or more grains of SN and just felt lightheaded and dizzy but pretty good overall

I struggle with these questions

 

[squirtsoda]

I wouldn't worry about it, meto isn't an abusable drug in the traditional sense, you wouldn't be making it harder for people to get.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Good question. You first asked "is meto good for stomach", which is a bit strange, yeah? I know, it takes time to phrase things.

To answer: it will not hurt stomach. It is the "ultimate" stomach helper, after all first-line treatments fail. So it is rather good for stomach.

It has very specific side-effects . Non of them involve the stomach itself . That is mentioned in the FAQ:

Antiemetics – "Meto"
Warnings:	Contraindications – SSRI, SNRI, TCAs, many anti-psychotics, and more. EPS effects – muscle spasms, jerky movements, tremors. Members reported other effects(non EPS): "extreme unease in body, driving me crazy" "made me feel very ill, my whole body" "after taking meto went to sleep 4 hour" "throbbing headache"

* I think you can tell doc you have tried Meclizine and Ondansetron -- but only Metoclopramide helped . There is a sample letter for physician in the FAQ , but really anything will work . You can do it

I was actually given an anti-nausea pill to help get adjusted to an SSRI so I'm wondering if my pill was something different, then, like Zofran

 

[Quarky00]

I don't understand.

First you said you don't want meto if it hurts stomach.

Now you say you dont wanna lie to doctor. So you're gonna tell them you ctb?

I understand fear of asking for meto, but if you are doing it you're already lying.

And if you're not asking doctor, why bother.

Your request would not risk this very common AE for others. Not controlled substance. Doesnt make much sense 1 person would eliminate medication for 8 trillion people ... You won't have repercussion.

I don't remember writing it like that but I guess I easily could have before editing it

You asked whether the strongest stomach discomfort relief -- causes stomach discomfort :) --

Does it cause stomach discomfort

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* Zofran is common with SSRI . It's irrelevant to SN , as detailed in resources . As stated SSRI and meto may have EPS reaction . There are replacements in the FAQ .

You sound very smart but a bit all over the place

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I don't really understand the chemistry behind why Zofran wouldn't work for SN, but I guess maybe that's not important

I think part of it is that I'm just pretty "shy" of directly interacting with the medical community in this sense (mainly just because it's theoretically an "official" interaction and is like recorded somehow, but so is the fact that I bought sodium nitrite online so I guess it doesn't matter)

That being said it really doesn't sound like that big of a deal overall and if I was in a situation where I had my own place to live it would probably be something that I would probably eventually attempt to get meto

You guys are probably right that this won't affect prescription meto restraints for most people, although I was pretty suspicious as to why good anti-nausea pills were so restricted in the first place and wondered why I was not even aware of them until the time I first had them

Edit: As other people have sort of said on other threads, my main problem with meto is that it's significantly harder to get than the SN itself, with the need for a prescription and apparently just being more expensive

 

[k75]

I don't really understand the chemistry behind why Zofran wouldn't work for SN, but I guess maybe that's not important

I think part of it is that I'm just pretty "shy" of directly interacting with the medical community in this sense (mainly just because it's theoretically an "official" interaction and is like recorded somehow, but so is the fact that I bought sodium nitrite online so I guess it doesn't matter)

That being said it really doesn't sound like that big of a deal overall and if I was in a situation where I had my own place to live it would probably be something that I would probably eventually attempt to get meto

Edit: As other people have sort of said on other threads, my main problem with meto is that it's significantly harder to get than the SN itself, with the need for a prescription and apparently just being more expensive

It's ok if you don't understand the chemistry. It just works in a different way than meds like Zofran. I'm actually prescribed both... Zofran to take on a daily basis and Meto for when the Zofran doesn't stop my vomiting/nausea and my stomach won't empty. I'm planning on using both with the SN just because I'm uncomfortable with the thought of stopping my Zofran. I've taken it multiple times a day for several years.

Asking a doctor for Meto isn't going to make it harder for people to get. The worst that'll happen is they say no. No harm done. It's not a drug that gets abused, because there are no pleasurable side effects. Doctors do tend to be cautious when prescribing it, just because of the EPS risk. But they will if it's the only option that will work.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

It's ok if you don't understand the chemistry. It just works in a different way than meds like Zofran. I'm actually prescribed both... Zofran to take on a daily basis and Meto for when the Zofran doesn't stop my vomiting/nausea and my stomach won't empty. I'm planning on using both with the SN just because I'm uncomfortable with the thought of stopping my Zofran. I've taken it multiple times a day for several years.

Asking a doctor for Meto isn't going to make it harder for people to get. The worst that'll happen is they say no. No harm done. It's not a drug that gets abused, because there are no pleasurable side effects. Doctors do tend to be cautious when prescribing it, just because of the EPS risk. But they will if it's the only option that will work.

I think the EPS risk freaks me out too much

Do you think it's possible to get Zofran online with the same effort as it would take to get Meto?

If Zofran was the one I had originally, I like it

For me it would be worth not having as 'foolproof' an anti-emetic as Meto if there's a lesser risk of suffering

The downside is I might throw up then, but I guess that's a risk I'm willing to take (particularly if the Zofran makes it so that even the urge to throw up isn't super painful. I've definitely had times whether from sickness or other sources where the moments before throwing up were pretty suffering-filled, but other times where I've thrown up--mostly from eating too much, sorry to be gross--and it barely felt uncomfortable, so I guess in theory painless vomiting is possible)

What bothers me though is that vomit obviously will turn off whoever finds you and make more of a mess, both of which are undesirable for a number of reasons, particularly if you're on a bed

Or even with a relatively painless vomiting spell, you could still conceivably spend your last moments hunched over a toilet bowl, which isn't desirable

I guess what I've been intending to do is bring a bucket or garbage can next to me which is a better option than either vomiting on yourself or furniture or over a toilet

You're still kind of attached to a little container though and it'll still probably gross out whoever finds you

 

[Quarky00]

I don't really understand the chemistry behind why Zofran wouldn't work for SN

Did you read the FAQ?

 

[one4all]

Search the threads about the differences. It has been discussed multiple times. Not trying to be rude or indifferent. But researching things can give you different opinions to base things off of.

another 2 cents found in the gutter

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Observing what I wrote, it is wild how much more confident I seem when there's the prospect of a quick and peaceful way out, as opposed to being shamefully slinked out in stomach pain (particularly if the SN proves more unsavory than I thought it would be)

My thoughts then go naturally to what my family will do

(I'm just venting for this next part, so you don't have to read it)

The burial and funeral will probably be expensive and tiring and hard (given the circumstances, especially)

You can donate your body to science apparently, which would cut down fees, or do like a potter's field, which seems unpleasant so I doubt they'd do that

Cremation is sort of an in-between option

If I had no family I'd probably just do whatever option is quickest (maybe go somewhere where I'd just decompose, although idt I'd want to die outside if it was a somewhat drawn-out death, I'd probably feel too exposed. I think I'd be fine with it if it was a quick gun suicide though. Or if my death was outside in a peaceful location, particularly if I have some sort of shelter like a tent or even a lounge chair or something--but that would kind if spoil that location for a while for people just to encounter a decomposing corpse.)

I definitely see the appeal of the Sarco machine's ability to just double as a coffin for that reason, getting rid of the body disposal problems somewhat

If the authorities find a dead body with no family, what even happens to them?

There are probably ways to dispose of my body with less effort than the usual methods

Assembly-line-style crematoria have bad connotations, plus I wouldn't want to risk going in there not dead

Did you read the FAQ?

Couldn't find it

Did you read the FAQ?

This one?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-faq-storage-recovery-death.29714/#post-543844

 

[Quarky00]

All the information you need is there.

That is technical information. If you have anxiety about something, feel 100% free to raise your personal concerns , directly

Do not be afraid to speak here

Ondansetron works for me , why Meto/Domp/Bucc?

"Metoclopramide is used by Dignitas and i think it's the recommened antiemetic in OD, the second one being domperidone, both dopamine antagonists. Ondansetron (Zofran) is a serotonin receptor antagonist and it's used for cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy because the irritation of the GI mucosa by the medication used in chemotherapy (which is cytotoxic and increase the levels of serotonin in the blood) are transmitted through the vagal nerve to the chemoreceptor trigger zone via activating serotonin receptors (5-HT3). It has no effect on dopamine receptors. "

In simple words?

Broad systematic AE targeting both CTZ (brain) and stomach plus prokinetic -- empty stomach quick.

Search through the threads about Ondansetron. It is a serotonin 5-HT3 receptor antagonist. It does not have any effect on dopamine receptors or muscarinic receptors. Also it does not help to empty your stomach.
I tried doing a search for some threads about it but the server is giving me issues, so i can't find them.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-blockers-painkillers-draft.29822/post-591915

 

[one4all]

My thoughts then go naturally to what my family will do

This is something to keep in mind.

The burial and funeral will probably be expensive and tiring and hard (given the circumstances, especially)

 

[Quarky00]

This one?

This , that , and the other .

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ntacid-beta-blockers-painkillers-draft.29822/

If you have concerns about family and funeral that is very normal and common . That has nothing to do with meto though. Feel free to open [Help] or [Venting] thread on that .
~

I think the EPS risk freaks me out too much

You seem to be freaked out about everything

First it was stomach, then doctor, family and now EPS .

I'd take a step back if everything freaks you out.



it is NOT the right state of mind to consider suicide .

 

[one4all]

I concur with Quarky00. You might think about taking a few steps back and thinking things through. I understand there is a lot going through your mind right now. So just work through things one at a time.

Quarky00 this was not to try and inflate your ego. Just agreeing with you. This time LOL

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

To Quarky and one4all:

If I wanted to commit suicide right now with SN I could probably do it without too much stress beyond sneaking out (although who knows until the actual moment);

However I mainly am interested in SN as an insurance thing in case I'm ever facing a desperate situation if I don't kill myself

So for that reason I think I tend to think of all the what-ifs, and I also think I'd feel guilty about having a pro-suicide stance if it turned out that SN was a messy and unpleasant experience (I guess a "cumbersome" experience is more the idea I'm trying to convey, if that makes sense)

I also (as I say pretty often on this site) tried to partial-hang myself a few weeks ago but the experience scarred me and made me reevaluate a lot about my view of life

It was very physically painful (in my opinion) and that end of it scarred me in-and-of-itself, but it also scarred me because hanging is probably more or less the most accessible suicide method, and from my experience it was awful, so I couldn't recommend that as a way out to anyone (maybe if I stood on a chair with suspended hanging and then took a heavy sedative or something, but even that sounds risky)

And that also sort of made me re-think how "weighed down" into their lives most people probably are--an escape is not as easy as I thought it was

So now I look into methods more, whether that is right or wrong

I feel like a gun would be a good way out but I think I still have a few years before I can buy one without triggering a possible confinement into a psych ward

Edit: So I'm not misunderstood, I am infinitely more pro-suicide (or making the means for a peaceful suicide way way more widespread) after trying to hang myself

 

[one4all]

scarred me and made me reevaluate a lot about my view of life

You hit the nail on the head! I'm glad that is going on with you

Doing SN doesn't promise you a pleasant out either. Some succeed .. some fail. While i have not really seen anything TO painful about using it.. i heard that it can be VERY uncomfortable with the side effects induced.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

While i have not really seen anything TO painful about using it.. i heard that it can be VERY uncomfortable with the side effects induced.

Such as?

Also, what's your preferred method, if you have one? You can pm me if you prefer that

 

[one4all]

Such as?

Depends what you are taking besides SN

Also, what's your preferred method, if you have one? You can pm me if you prefer that

Dying from old age is what i would prefer.

 

[Quarky00]

It's great what you wrote , but not really the situation to "freak out" .

If you freak out about everything in ctb , it's not the time to explore as you won't be able to understand . Not because you're stupid , on the contrary , you are intelligent . That's just the 'disability' of any , any , distressed anxiety-ridden fearful mind. Just not the proper state to rationally research . Not the state to determine your fate .

You do not sound like you can consider things calmly .

I'm not saying that with disrespect but out of genuine concern :)

* Must say you wrote and described your feelings beautifully and eloquently there .

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Depends what you are taking besides SN


Dying from old age is what i would prefer.

Failing that? You're against suicide?

I don't want to get into it and get in trouble but at least in my shoes A LOT would have to go right before I could die of old age peacefully

 

[one4all]

Failing that? You're against suicide?

I don't want to get into it and get in trouble but at least in my shoes A LOT would have to go right before I could die of old age peacefully

I never said i was against it. You asked my preferred method. So i mentioned mine.
If i had a preferred method.. that might not be the same as yours. It comes down to what you are comfortable with.. the consequences of your actions.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

It's great what you wrote , but not really the situation to "freak out" .

If you freak out about everything in ctb , it's not the time to explore as you won't be able to understand . Not because you're stupid , on the contrary , you are intelligent . That's just the 'disability' of any , any , distressed anxiety-ridden fearful mind. Just not the proper state to rationally research . Not the state to determine your fate .

You do not sound like you can consider things calmly .

I'm not saying that with disrespect but out of genuine concern :)

* Must say you wrote and described your feelings beautifully and eloquently there .

Thank you

Are you pro-life or do you support suicide?

I don't want to get into it now and risk backlash but I think I thought about things fairly calmly before my hanging attempt, but now that I know how hard a peaceful suicide is to pull off (in the absence of a gun or a few types of drugs or a good hypoxia method), I'm pretty ill-at-ease with a lot of what can happen to you in life (and remember I was already suicidal before that, hence why I tried to hang myself, and a few years ago I had bought a gun to shoot myself)

I never said i was against it. You asked my preferred method. So i mentioned mine.
If i had a preferred method.. that might not be the same as yours. It comes down to what you are comfortable with.. the consequences of your actions.

What would you preferred method of suicide be, specifically? Is there one you could name?