Yes, all these are excellent points. Sometimes, I think that detractors (not all but a good amount of them) decide to ignore their self-awareness even if they understood what they are doing/standing for. It's as if they want others to be like them, even at the cost of others' rights. If anything, the detractors will only succeed in pushing suicidal people underground and/or those who try gruesome methods that could cause collateral damage to others, society. (e.g. Jumping in front of bus, train, fast moving vehicle, etc.)
Wanting the option of suicide is not illogical when the quality of life is so low. Some people don't want to be a burden on others because it's humiliating. Their quality of life is so low they'd rather not be alive. I'm not sure why they can't understand that other than for selfish "feel good" reasons.
Yes, most pro-lifers and people who intervene are generally doing it for their own "feel good" reasons, not so much because they care (despite them claiming they care.). They only care about looking good to their fellow peers, feeling like a 'hero', and/or sticking it to the suicidal people knowing that the suicidal people are very vulnerable and nearly defenseless.
It's not even remotely "pro" suicide. This is a place where you can be completely open and honest and people give you level responses; not the default "it will all get better" bullshit you get from most other places.
I'm sure this site has saved a lot of lives, and saved a lot of people (who have passed) from the pain of doing it improperly. That's not a bad thing.
Agreed and this site has helped me throughout the last two years of my life. First off, it has helped me acquire a method that is very reliable and very lethal, and second off, had I actually decided to CTB (as I have come close at least three times in the last two years), I would have been able to exit successfully and painlessly.
I want them to know that removing this place you're doing more harm than good and that you're attacking a symptom instead of the cause.
Exactly, well said. Back in March 2018, when reddit took down the SS subreddit. It didn't solve problems, but only silenced people like us from being able to talk about our problems in a non-judgmental environment, and also drove us underground for a while. When this forum is created, we are able to talk freely without fear of consequences (involuntary force, treatment, and having platitudes shoved down our throats, being treated like a child, etc.) and also be able to find ways to achieve a peaceful end without all the troubles and stuff of doing everything by ourselves (and incurring such unnecessary risks).
That the goal of this forum is not to encourage people to die but to help them talk about their options and if they voluntarily and autonomously decide death is the answer for them there is information available on how to do it as peacefully and comfortably as possible. Information that mostly comes from other sources like certain books I might add so it's a blatant lie that there is no other source of information out there on peaceful self-deliverance.
Dealing in platitudes and blaming complete strangers without actually knowing what transpired just to sooth your own ego and immunize yourself from the sense of self-doubt and self-blame (regardless of whether it's realistic or not) is too damn easy and an insult to the sense of companionship and understanding many who left found here.
We do care that they are gone: we do not celebrate death but sometimes it's simply the case that death is better than life. Sad but true.
Imo this forum is regularly and willfully misrepresented in the media and abused as a scapegoat for problems none of us created nor contributed to.
Well said
@Jean Améry. I think the media's interest is just to generate income and views, so they would exaggerate, misrepresent what they report in order to do so. Some media outlets also have a particular political agenda so they learn towards that instead of actual truth.
That saying "it's okay, you can do it whenever you like it, we will be there with you when the time comes; and if you never feel ready, we will also be there with you" is way more humane than saying "it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem".
Whoever strip this place away from us, will be taking away all the human compassion we are able to get.
Well said, if people (the masses of people out there) are more open-minded and less hostile, then suicidal people would be less likely to go through and perhaps more willing to seek help, open up and what not.
The big difference, to me, is that on other platforms, suicide is not even an option. It's taboo and you can't talk about it. On here, suicide is an option an is discussed in that sense.
Exactly and by having it as an option rather than NEVER an option, makes a world of difference. When people feel trapped and vulnerable especially suicidal people, it doesn't help to corner them even more by taking away their option of choice (suicide/CTB), and then forcing them to live. It only further drives them underground and/or closer to actually doing it, especially when forced to live (not to mention hospital/medical bills, stain on their health record and background, loss of certain privileges and rights as a result of being hospitalized, institutionalized and more).
Facing death is the most courageous thing one can do. It's also the most important thing anyone can do.
Yes, I recall reading somewhere where it stated that suicide is one of the most courageous act one can do and very few people are able to actually go through with it (including overcoming SI and what not).
