Discussion What death is

[Giovannino224]

From now and I alwayse interrogated myself about what death is and what happens when it occures. With time I maturated and idea what can happen when a person dies, and I wanted to share it.
(the relfection is from a comment that I posted under a thred [i was too lazy to write a new one], is someting very simple and short)

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I interrogated myself with the same question and I thing that I found a response, at least for me. Following my thoughts we can that death is passage of the consciousness from one life to another.
DISCALIMER: for consciousness I inted the ability to understand and to be aware of yourself and your surroundings, not the ability to store memories or similars. So consciousness and memories are TWO SEPARATE THINGS;
So we can simply descibe the process of death, as I said before, like a passage of consciousness. Let's imagine the cosciuosness like a part of the brain, the passage consist simply in trasporting this "organ" from the dead person to the just boen one. Ofc the just gained cosciousness will take some time to adapt to the new brain, and we can locate this time in the first 3 year of the new born, were he/she "can't" undesrtand a thing. As I said before the new born will not have any of the memories of the owner of the cousciusness.
The last thing that I want to say is that this process is similar to reincarnation, because for me the cousciusness is the definition of BEING (Idk if I wrote it right, in my language is called "ESSERE" [in philosophy] or "IO" [in psychology], for a comparision), so tecnically is stil you but without memories.
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As I said is nothing too complicated. If is possible I would be very glad to hear any reflection on this or even different thoughts.
Thanks for the attention.


Stay safe

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

This would make sense — and I have went through this conversation enough times to believe it, but the issue when you formulate this thesis for those who never understood what death is is when you think of how matter works and how life is formed. If we just existed to just transition somewhere else, then how would humans exist prior to reincarnation if not for a vessel after thousands of thousands to procreate for that to happen after living off and dying frequently for it to exist? I think it's the inhabitants of existing among the stars and traveling because there is something outside, as for example, humans never existed before until sometime ago and created civilization. That would mean it took multiple fractions of consciousness to be implanted into other forms of life, choose their life, choose their existence, come from somewhere that gave them a body, and this plays a role into how the human body was made, which people wouldn't understand, and reincarnation playing a role to communicate with that on that probability and remember where people bodies were made to be interacted by their being true form of being.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

How on earth does the consciousness of the dead person transfer to the consciousness of the new being? This doesn't make any sense at all. Lets say that, with the snap of my finger, every sentient being who is currently alive will drop dead. If every sentient being is dead, it's impossible to create new life. There would be tons of dead corpses everywhere but there wouldn't be new life since it'd be impossible to make new life if the already existing life is dead. Alternatively, think about it from this way: the birth rate is higher than the death rate. How would this be possible if the consciousness from new life requires the consciousness from those who are already dead?

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

How on earth does the consciousness of the dead person transfer to the consciousness of the new being? This doesn't make any sense at all. Lets say that, with the snap of my finger, every sentient being who is currently alive will drop dead. If every sentient being is dead, it's impossible to create new life. There would be tons of dead corpses everywhere but there wouldn't be new life since it'd be impossible to make new life if the already existing life is dead. Alternatively, think about it from this way: the birth rate is higher than the death rate. How would this be possible if the consciousness from new life requires the consciousness from those who are already dead?

I don't think everyone reincarnates... It's a choice. I understand what he was saying, but he definitely did say that life and death would mean just constant reincarnation that even scientists believe may happen and some more experienced in this art of practice, and I truly believe that not everyone makes it to be reincarnated and some people are just born into a new existence at some point in time either from living the first time or from framing their own consequencesness into a new world, but once someone truly lives, they choose to die out their vessel, and not everyone wants to live long. I don't know if reincarnation exists for everyone to just come back after being dead, because then, how is there billions of people in this world then, and what about the millions or billions who've perished? It wouldn't make much sense, as there would be other factors, like other worlds or just choosing to not exist, or even staying in the afterlife, and for how the human body was formed, no clue, and for how people exists after, it must lightly be from people actually being born from the womb and traveling through their vessel once it is dead to then reincarnate or to completely fade out and drift... It has to make some sense, but not so sure.

 

[depressedinsomniac]

just to spice things up even more forget about reincarnation what about possession? Like in insidious if you have ever seen those flicks...all types of things might just be going on....who knows!

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't think everyone reincarnates... It's a choice. I understand what he was saying, but he definitely did say that life and death would mean just constant reincarnation that even scientists believe may happen and some more experienced in this art of practice, and I truly believe that not everyone makes it to be reincarnated and some people are just born into a new existence at some point in time either from living the first time or from framing their own consequencesness into a new world, but once someone truly lives, they choose to die out their vessel, and not everyone wants to live long. I don't know if reincarnation exists for everyone to just come back after being dead, because then, how is there billions of people in this world then, and what about the millions or billions who've perished? It wouldn't make much sense, as there would be other factors, like other worlds or just choosing to not exist, or even staying in the afterlife, and for how the human body was formed, no clue, and for how people exists after, it must lightly be from people actually being born from the womb and traveling through their vessel once it is dead to then reincarnate or to completely fade out and drift... It has to make some sense, but not so sure.

If reincarnation is a choice, why on earth would anybody on this site want to choose to reincarnate into this world? Unless if they didn't get the relevant information beforehand or got tricked. If I was given all of the information that I know now, I'd choose to remain non existent

 

[Thomas599]

I've had surgery. I think death is that emptiness and nothingness that occurs when you are deep under anesthesia. That's it, you're done.

 

[Richard Langford]

There's a few of us 'spirtual souls' on the forum that have contemplated suchlike. Some of us have had pointed experiences or occurrences (I've had 3) in our lives that indicates there's far more going on than we appreciate or comprehend. Suchlike isn't a popular viewpoint on here. Most people on here are atheists, which is entirely their perogative.

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

If reincarnation is a choice, why on earth would anybody on this site want to choose to reincarnate into this world? Unless if they didn't get the relevant information beforehand or got tricked. If I was given all of the information that I know now, I'd choose to remain non existent

I truly came to ask myself that a couple of times when I wondered I why I chose this world. I don't know the full scoop, but spirits don't just choose a world for no reason, and sometimes, its not them but someone else or, if you ever watched Star Wars or any plot type of movie regarding escaping to a world where you'll need to be safe as a young child, it could be originally out of protection by some being, as not everyone is given spirit guides... I know for a fact I'm not, and it must be some people you know from another life is still protecting you and comes to help you out behind the scenes, but they try their hardest to find your way back to you, and I definitely agree with the being tricked, as I felt I was tricked when I came into this world and I forgot how I did so, too... I think its about accepting and being at peace with never truly coming back because the matrix they call it seems very true and real, but the forces in this world is continuing to go away further and further, especially to the point where it'll no longer be alive much longer. Trust me, as to why anyone ever chose to reincarnate into this world, it must be out of curiosity or enforcement, and once you've realized that, especially living as a conscious being again, especially if this is your first life or not (from another world) in this decaying world (I don't believe everyone dead comes back to life (or again, are from other worlds) or is given a new life by their own will, because spirits are energies who chooses to be alive and to control a body to live once given it), you can have peace to do what you want at will or to explore other worlds, but it does comes with you being very aware and choosing to do so too.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

The body is nothing but an object to manifest consciousness. I do believe that the energy (also called soul) leaves the body at death and becomes part of all. We are all just one but not conscious of it because we get lost in our experience of self and ego while alive in this material world.

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

The body is nothing but an object to manifest consciousness. I do believe that the energy (also called soul) leaves the body at death and becomes part of all. We are all just one but not conscious of it because we get lost in our experience of self and ego while alive in this material world.

Like stars separated by birth... but multiple twins set to live a singular form of different consciousness... no wonder we feel alone a lot and grave validation while literally looking the same :')

 

[human909]

I think death is just complete nothingness. Finally in the ground of earth not existing anymore.

 

[L'absent]

If reincarnation is a choice, why on earth would anybody on this site want to choose to reincarnate into this world? Unless if they didn't get the relevant information beforehand or got tricked. If I was given all of the information that I know now, I'd choose to remain non existent

Ah, reincarnation as a choice. It must have been one of those options on a cosmic form signed under divine coercion. The alternative, 'eternal nonexistence,' was probably written in invisible ink or hidden under a clause like: 'You agree to live immersed in an endless spiral of suffering, mediocrity, and a disconcerting awareness of your cosmic insignificance.'
Personally, if I had the privilege of reading those terms with the cynical eye I have today, I would have not only chosen to remain nonexistent but demanded a refund for the trauma of even considering the possibility of existence. The fact that someone might have 'chosen' this earthly hell leaves me with only one question: just how boring must nonexistence have been to seem like the worse option?

 

[Sunset Limited]

Retiring from primate driving.

 

[Temporary Breakway]

This would make sense — and I have went through this conversation enough times to believe it, but the issue when you formulate this thesis for those who never understood what death is is when you think of how matter works and how life is formed. If we just existed to just transition somewhere else, then how would humans exist prior to reincarnation if not for a vessel after thousands of thousands to procreate for that to happen after living off and dying frequently for it to exist? I think it's the inhabitants of existing among the stars and traveling because there is something outside, as for example, humans never existed before until sometime ago and created civilization. That would mean it took multiple fractions of consciousness to be implanted into other forms of life, choose their life, choose their existence, come from somewhere that gave them a body, and this plays a role into how the human body was made, which people wouldn't understand, and reincarnation playing a role to communicate with that on that probability and remember where people bodies were made to be interacted by their being true form of being.

Personally I believe we re-live our lives endlessly in an eternal loop
Each time the universe dies we are re constructed exactly as we are, and this is not just an exact copy, but a continuation in the sense it is you re appearing in the universe, over and over, without any awareness of what you did previously at all
And each time, no matter how seemingly small, something a little different happens in each
Perhaps feelings of deja vu originate from this phenomenon

 

[Giovannino224]

How on earth does the consciousness of the dead person transfer to the consciousness of the new being? This doesn't make any sense at all. Lets say that, with the snap of my finger, every sentient being who is currently alive will drop dead. If every sentient being is dead, it's impossible to create new life. There would be tons of dead corpses everywhere but there wouldn't be new life since it'd be impossible to make new life if the already existing life is dead. Alternatively, think about it from this way: the birth rate is higher than the death rate. How would this be possible if the consciousness from new life requires the consciousness from those who are already dead?

Actually I tought of this when I was writing this thred, It's litteraly a HUGE fallacy in the reasoning. Personaly I don't belive in anything related to any religion or "mystic belief", I thought that it was something "nice" to share, maybe it can stimulate someone to do a reflection or some shit like that (I think you get what I'm trying to say), in short is nothing too serious. I strongly belive that after death probably there would be nothing, like a limbo of uncosciusness or something like that (not getting in detail).

I welcome the criticism, and also I have to say that I totaly agree with you.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

1 micro-second after the brain dies it's non-existence forever. non-existence forever is the only guarantee of never suffering extremely.

never existing again is the only guarantee of never any constant unbearable pain, extreme suffering.... no problems no bad memories none of the 1000's of horrible things in existence. so permanent non-existence is the only perfection the best thing by far

eternal non-existence is the ultimate bliss, frees me from this nightmare of being a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain. cells, brain cells that create the horrible nightmare illusion that there is one viewer one experiencer of excruciating pain immersed in a horrible nightmare. only non-existence can free on from this hell forever

a human is only a brain and the thinking generated by that brain. But you can think of only one thing at a time . and what determines what you are thinking at any moment?

every individual brain cell in a mouse, frog, fish, fly ,monkey human is exactly the same . it's called a neuron . in that brain cell it has DNA RNA the genetic code ribosomes atp and many other things the first cell 4 billion years ago had so it's the same cell with just some added torture mechanism garbage added on by evolution.

a human is just cells, that first cell, chemical reactions a machine . nothing more . you see a bug crawling on the sidewalk that's the same as me we both descended we all descended from that first cell 4 billion years ago.

does a fly, frog, crawling bug , fish , ameoba have an afterlife? no neither does a human

 

[TheHolySword]

Philosophy begs the question why, humanity wants meaning and purpose in everything they do. We want to be above all, even death. In my opinion, there doesn't need to be truths or meanings or purpose. Sometimes things can just be. Maybe we live just because we do. Maybe we die just because we do. And maybe that's all there really is to it. Nothing before life, nothing after death, simply because there doesn't need to be. We are so terrified of nothing that we demand there be something, as if we're grander than the universe. My body can return to the Earth and I will return to the nothing, from each to their creator.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Personally, I'm not really sold on any theories around reincarnation. Do the numbers add up- for a start? When this world was largely just vegetation (presumably) and a few wiggly amoeba/ bacteria like creatures- did they hold the consciousness for the literally billions of sentient creatures there are now?

How does this theory match with population fluctuations? The human population for example has exploded over the time we've been here. Where do those 'extra' consciousnesses come from? Animals? Aliens? But surely, the amount of living creatures constantly fluctuates. Where did these consciousnesses reside before they had no living things to inhabit?

I suppose personally, I just see consciousness as a function of the living brain. Just like sight is a function of the living eyes and brain working in conjunction. I don't really see why it needs to be recycled. Not to say it's impossible- of course. Your theory would at least account for why memories aren't carried over. I suppose it's more of a life force you are refering to.

But, I'm still not convinced that it simply isn't a by product of how we evolved. Self awareness especially. We (hopefully) evolve as a species to hold on to the attributes that benefit us. I could see how self awareness would be very beneficial and give us an edge over other creatures.

Then (sadly,) we didn't only instinctually exploit the environmnt and other animals. We must have become aware that firstly- we were mortal, secondly that we could see our place in this world and that we had the power to manipulate it and thirdly- we'd likely increase our chances of survival if we tamed our environment and all the living creatures within it to suit our own needs.

I can absolutely see how self awareness could have evolved within us just like having an opposing thumb and walking on our hind legs. All those things gave us a survival edge. So- I sew it more as an ability (personally) rather than a mystic force. I could be wrong of course.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

If I got the OP right, he says that consciousness is immortal and memory is fading when a person dies. So consciousness conservation could be regarded as something analogous to energy conservation in physics. This could solve the problem of population growth and lower levels of consciouness in animals or higher ones in "gods" (next level of evolution).

But this has no real impact on my personal life and death because I cannot imagine beeing without memory. It could only give me the warm feeling that something of me will last forever.

 

[AuroraB]

I've had surgery. I think death is that emptiness and nothingness that occurs when you are deep under anesthesia. That's it, you're done.

i hope so. lights out. nothingness ...like before birth.