Method Video showing effects of hypoxia

[Mofreeko]

Hey guys, found a youtube video showing effects of hypoxia which is how SN kills you. (hypoxia induced by methemoglobinemia)

 

[hopelessgirl]

Doesn't look that bad. I was afraid I was going to choke or something to be honest.

 

[Mofreeko]

Doesn't look that bad. I was afraid I was going to choke or something to be honest.

He is still expelling carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide buildup is what causes your body to cause distress and breathlessness. As long as you're breathing in "air" that has low oxygen and expelling carbon dioxide you'll go unconscious without ever feeling any warning. This is why Nitrogen and Helium are considered such peaceful methods.

 

[Endex]

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

 

[hopelessgirl]

He is still expelling carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide buildup is what causes your body to cause distress and breathlessness. As long as you're breathing in "air" that has low oxygen and expelling carbon dioxide you'll go unconscious without ever feeling any warning. This is why Nitrogen and Helium are considered such peaceful methods.

What I hope is that it will also be the case for SN

 

[littlelady774]

Don't wanna be a killjoy, but this type of hypoxia and anemic hypoxia, which methemoglobinemia falls under, feel very different.

Not saying SN isn't peaceful, it just shouldn't be compared to inert gas asphyxiation.

 

[Mofreeko]

What I hope is that it will also be the case for SN

Mostly carbon dioxide (C02) dissolves out of your cells and into your red blood cells. Once C02 enters the red blood cells a small amount (about 10% of the total) binds hemoglobin to form carbaminohemoglobin. The vast majority of the C02 (around 90%) interacts with water within the red blood cells to form carbonic acid which is transported to the lungs where it diffuses through capillaries in the alveoli and is then exhaled as C02 gas.

Carbon dioxide does not interact with the iron/heme in the hemoglobin, which is the part of hemoglobin that SN changes to turn it into methemoglobin, so I would assume the 10% of C02 that binds with hemoglobin and forms into carbaminohemoglobin would still be able to do so with methemoglobin, but I was unable to find any data on that. Still, even if it can't, 90% of carbon dioxide would still diffuse naturally into the blood to form carbonic acid and be transported to the lungs to be exhaled because SN does not interfere with that process.

I hope that made sense.

Don't wanna be a killjoy, but this type of hypoxia and anemic hypoxia, which methemoglobinemia falls under, feel very different.

Not saying SN isn't peaceful, it just shouldn't be compared to inert gas asphyxiation.

You are correct, the example in the video is Hypoxemic hypoxia and what SN causes is anemic hypoxia. This is the first I've heard of the 4 different kinds of hypoxia having different symptoms though. Usually the symptoms are are the same for all 4 such as here: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23063-hypoxia

For me it makes sense that the symptoms should at least be similar as they're all just ways that cause your cells to not get enough oxygen, no?

 

[littlelady774]

You are correct, the example in the video is Hypoxemic hypoxia and what SN causes is anemic hypoxia. This is the first I've heard of the 4 different kinds of hypoxia having different symptoms though. Usually the symptoms are are the same for all 4 such as here: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23063-hypoxia

For me it makes sense that the symptoms should at least be similar as they're all just ways that cause your cells to not get enough oxygen, no

Cyanide poisoning, CO, Nitrite, and hanging all cause hypoxia. But they aren't the same symptoms

 

[Mofreeko]

Cyanide poisoning, CO, Nitrite, and hanging all cause hypoxia. But they aren't the same symptoms

Cyanide poisoning disables your cell's ability to create ATP, carbon monoxide buildup triggers your brain's "I'm suffocating trigger" unlike nitrogen or helium would, and hanging causes carbon dioxide buildup because you can't exhale the C02. I don't see how they're relevant to nitrite, which inhibits the blood's ability to transport oxygen to cells but doesn't inhibit the body's ability to exhale C02.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Cyanide poisoning disables your cell's ability to create ATP, carbon monoxide buildup triggers your brain's "I'm suffocating trigger" unlike nitrogen or helium would, and hanging causes carbon dioxide buildup because you can't exhale the C02. I don't see how they're relevant to nitrite, which inhibits the blood's ability to transport oxygen to cells but doesn't inhibit the body's ability to exhale C02.

I hope this is the case- that there isn't so much of a sense of panic about not being able to breath properly- or rather- get enough oxygen in. (The lack of carbon dioxide build up makes sense.)

It has reassured me in I think a couple of failed attempt threads- where people have said the air felt lighter but they weren't panicking.

I just know- even after heavy exercise- the combination of a racing heartbeat and breathing heavily tends to panic me for a bit. Think that's one thing that does frighten me with SN- just how bad will the symptoms be and how long will they last? Guess we won't really know till we risk it ourselves.

 

[hopelessgirl]

I hope this is the case- that there isn't so much of a sense of panic about not being able to breath properly- or rather- get enough oxygen in. (The lack of carbon dioxide build up makes sense.)

It has reassured me in I think a couple of failed attempt threads- where people have said the air felt lighter but they weren't panicking.

I just know- even after heavy exercise- the combination of a racing heartbeat and breathing heavily tends to panic me for a bit. Think that's one thing that does frighten me with SN- just how bad will the symptoms be and how long will they last? Guess we won't really know till we risk it ourselves.

Exactly. If I ever do it, I hope someone will observe my suicide with SN so that others can learn from it. Then my life might have meant something

 

[littlelady774]

Cyanide poisoning disables your cell's ability to create ATP, carbon monoxide buildup triggers your brain's "I'm suffocating trigger" unlike nitrogen or helium would, and hanging causes carbon dioxide buildup because you can't exhale the C02. I don't see how they're relevant to nitrite, which inhibits the blood's ability to transport oxygen to cells but doesn't inhibit the body's ability to exhale C02.

Right but they all cause hypoxia, and my point not all hypoxia are the same. Inert gas inhalation and nitrite shouldn't be compared as being the same or similar.

Nitrogen will knock you out before anything. With nitrite, it doesn't knock you out immediately and you will be awake to feel the effects of lactic acidosis (shortness of breath, feeling like you've climbed 10 flights of stairs,etc)