I got all kinds of criticism on here for relating this to rape a few days ago. Forcing people to live against their will.
I'm not sure that animals understand the concept of death. Therefore, they probably can't be suicidal.
Even if they do have a concept of death, they pretty much always go by their instincts. Which of course say to live no matter what. It's hard enough for people on here to go against their SI, and it's probably impossible for animals to.
is it the instincts of animals to avoid death though? Two lions fighting for dominance they do it for instincts other than self preservation.
I wonder if animals make a choice to avoid death that is a sort of proof of having a concept of death? Like a lion who won't fight other lions. Does such diversity of the animal mind exist i wonder,
It is the same sort of instinct or rational thought that can make it hard for a suicidal individual to succeed in killing themselves. I recognise my cowardice is one reason i need assisted suicide but equally it could be a part of my psyche that fears death while the vast majority of the parts of my psyche knows i can't live in safety.
i am obviously guessing that animals can feel suicidal because i think with the capacity to feel comes a limit to what can be endured beyond which a consciousness wants to cessate conscious existence. When an animal faces this need i wonder if they don't feel suicidal then what do they feel when they are beyond the limit to what they can endure like a suicidal individual is?
sorry. lots of hard to answer questions.
What if I mistakenly believe I have a terminal illness that will cause me a lot of suffering, when in fact I'm healthy and perfectly capable of living the life I want to live? Would that be an invalid reason for suicide?
For the feelings that terminally ill suicidal individuals feel yes it is a valid form of extreme personal suffering and torment which is a valid reason to die. The validity of the reason to die is universal. It is universally worth dying for when it feels so bad.
There is a separate concept to the validity of the choice to die and that's whether the suicidality can be ended quickly and humanely and by consent/free will. I am fighting for the rewards of assisted suicide to be recognised as they should be. Of course there are risks involved with the decision to die.
in the scenario you present it is the expectation of unbearable suffering and quality of life in the future not in the present which you have described. The individual is suicidal or not i am unsure of in this scenario.
The value of assisted suicide is that terminally ill individuals won't kill themselves before things get too bad. They can wait until their suffering and quality of life gets unbearable. In your scenario a mistaken diagnosis and associated prognosis would obviously cause extreme personal suffering and pain. The fear of a slow and painful death would (i assume commonly) drive the terminally ill to choose to die. The pain and effect on quality of life of treatment as well as of the disease is something terminally ill individuals might choose to die than go through, But when assisted suicide is there then they have the choice to see how bad it gets and at the point when they decide they can't take anymore then they can have their right to die how and when they want to. If the diagnosis is wrong then they won't face the things that make them suicidal.
I assume your scenario is about a doctor estimating the prognosis of terminal illness. I'm sort of side stepping this by considering the importance of how a suicidal individual feels as the mark of the validity of the decision to die and by the provision of assisted suicide the individual can wait to see what happens than rely on a doctor's judgement.
I am reminded of the suicide of a young woman who started menstruating then killed herself because she thought there was something wrong with her. Her case inspired a Christian clergyman to start the Samaritans. She would be better saved by 1) being educated about suicide issues as part of growing up and 2) the provision of assisted suicide produces voluntary engagement with care. The pain she suffered makes her decision to die valid and the lack of competency to care only makes it worse. A care system that relies on 100% voluntary engagement by suicidal individuals is going to save so many more lives than the medical tranny ever could. Not least because it puts what is important to suicidal individuals high on the agenda of care.
You understand i am focused on empowerment of suicidal individuals to be masters of our destiny. The scenario you have posed is a useful teaching tool to understand that things can get better or aren't as hopeless as they seem however this is a separate concept from the awfulness of feeling suicidal.
The end result of your scenario is either to come up with certain precautions for access to assisted suicide and i do believe in these precautions but at the moment the status quo is all about control and cruelty as the precautions and not empowerment or liberty or human rights. Alternatively it's the end result that is one justification the government here used to continue the criminalisation of assisted dying (assisted suicide solely for the terminally ill) because a doctor might get the life expectancy wrong.
Equally a doctor can get the diagnosis and prognosis wrong so an individual faces rapid deterioration of quality of life and rapid onset of unbearable suffering. What happens then if there isn't the right to die when and how one chooses?
i have not fully explained my position because there are lots of thoughts i have come up with through years of reasoning while the monsters who call themselves the human race force me to live to keep on making me want to die. That's for over a decade they do this so you understand why i call them the monsters who call themselves the human race.
i am not here promoting my blog but i thought you might want to consider this if you can't comprehend what i have always faced is mostly control and cruelty.
I doubt you have the competency to recognise this. I doubt you have the competency to care so you don’t have the concept of living in safety from suicidality is part of living in safety. Let …
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