Venting USA Irony and Current Events...

[Dejected 55]

I made a comment about this in one of the Venezuela threads about how it is ironic that Trump has gone and abducted the leader of Venezuela ostensibly on drug trafficking charges... while having pardoned quite a bunch of convicted drug traffickers.

Also ironic this week was there have been protests in Iran, and the Iranian government apparently making efforts to clamp down on it... and irony or ironies Trump threatens Iran that they "better not go after protestors" as if Trump hasn't done just that here in the US... and oh by the way the previous Democratic administration went after protestors in the US too... basically we in the US suddenly are against the right to protest our own government as protected in our Constitution... but we seem to recognize it when protests happen in other countries.

We (the US) suck so hard right now...

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

Democratic administration went after protestors in the US too...

Thank for for adding this. I feel like people are progressively ignoring the fact that our issues did not start with Trump and will not end with him either.

 

[Dejected 55]

Thank for for adding this. I feel like people are progressively ignoring the fact that our issues did not start with Trump and will not end with him either.

Yeah... Democrats think Trump invented horrible government or something... and Republicans think their shit doesn't stink as well. It's like nobody can remember five minutes earlier when their side was doing the same kind of shit.

Each party has some unique crazy that you can say is "worse" if you're on the other side... but there's so many common trends of power abuse and "do as I say not as I do" coming from power brokers on either side that I can't understand how people can pretend it isn't with a straight face.

I cringe every time Democrats act like "all we have to do is wait for after Trump and everything will be rainbows!" as if Trump was the problem instead of just a symptom taking advantage of the problem.

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

I cringe every time Democrats act like "all we have to do is wait for after Trump and everything will be rainbows!" as if Trump was the problem instead of just a symptom taking advantage of the problem.

Saw someone say "we need to get the democrats back in power so we can get rid of them (them being fascists)" in a video and genuinely felt disturbed. A massive chunk of Democrats ARE fascists.

Have yall even been looking at the shit they support? The disabled and trans people they throw under the bus? How Israel funds so many of them?

 

[itsgone2]

I was registered democrat for most of my life. I kind of consider them worse now because yes they are equally corrupt but just insist on some moral high ground.
Some personal irony is that once I decided to go independent I noticed it greatly helped my mental health. It's depressing to see the truth but was also freeing. But then I had about a year of that and then everything else in my world came crashing down and it wound up not mattering anyway. It doesn't seem real.

 

[Dejected 55]

Yep. Right now Republicans seem to be really good at passing legislation that hardly anybody wants... meanwhile Democrats are impossibly bad at passing legislation that most people want.

And at the end of the day, the powerful folk in both parties seem to kind of want the same thing, as in whatever is good for them and not for the peons they see as beneath them. Sometimes they let slip the quiet part out loud, but then most people don't seem to hear it even when they do.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Truthfully, I'm appallingly uninformed about politics. I have no idea whether this attack and kidnapping was justified. It looked pretty illegal to me.

Just the audacity of it kind of astounds me. I suppose I couldn't help toying with the idea of someone doing the same thing to him. Or, to our UK prime minister for that instance.

Would this be considered a miliary coup? It seems so to me. Were the circumstances so extreme to warrant that?... Anyone who actually knows. It seems to be about drugs but then, do you kidnap a leader for its countries problems?

I read a newspaper that briefly hinted at it being because of a personal animosity between them. But then- that terrifies me. That him and other very powerful leaders may be prone to acting on petty grievancies. These people predumably can order nuclear strikes.

I wonder if/ when Trump will finally overstep a mark to be overthrown himself. A lot of his actions seem illegal. Do you think he will be impeached again or, is he paving the way for a military coup to get him out eventually? It does feel like the world is just crazy.

 

[StoneCellaiver]

I read a newspaper that briefly hinted at it being because of a personal animosity between them. But then- that terrifies me. That him and other very powerful leaders may be prone to acting on petty grievancies. These people predumably can order nuclear strikes.

I personally believe it was power projection, but I may be wrong. Oil might be another thing. It feels pointless and irrational.

Would this be considered a miliary coup? It seems so to me. Were the circumstances so extreme to warrant that?... Anyone who actually knows. It seems to be about drugs but then, do you kidnap a leader for its countries problems?

Very much so, Venezuela's economy is not in a good state right now. Has not been for a while, the drug problem feels exaggerated to me. It feels very blatantly illegal, I don't know if it signals an end to the rules based world order. I don't know if it can exactly be a coup since the leader is still from the main regime. I think a lot of Venezuelans might have regained patriotism despite disliking the original regime, since it was sort of the equivalent of bombing the capital.

I wonder if/ when Trump will finally overstep a mark to be overthrown himself. A lot of his actions seem illegal. Do you think he will be impeached again or, is he paving the way for a military coup to get him out eventually? It does feel like the world is just crazy.

It's possible it might happen soon, the world is scary right now, especially with a lot of investment in LLMs which looks similar to a bubble. I'm not American either, so, I have no idea.. if a coup occurs, it'll probably affect much of the internet at large.

 

[Dejected 55]

The more powerful countries interfere in other governments all the time. Sometimes its subtle or under the radar. There have been assassination attempts as well as outright overthrown leaders.

Anyone who remembers Saddam Hussein and Iraq... probably doesn't remember that we (the US) were buddies with Hussein back in the 1980s when we were on Iran's case... and Hussein was just as evil to his own people then as he was a couple of decades later when we suddenly asserted that we had to get rid of him because he was a bad leader... what changed? He was no longer doing what we wanted him to do for us... so we turned on him, not because he was bad to his people but because he was no longer good to us. We somehow justified going into Iraq and capturing/killing him... it pretty much killed all the world-love for us after we were attacked on 9/11/01.

And we fucked hard with the old Soviet Union through Afghanistan during that war back in the day too... because we saw a chance to fuck over the USSR while not really caring about Afghanistan, whom we promptly abandoned once the shine had worn off us interfering in things... and that very directly led to what built up there to manifest in the 9/11 attacks years later.

I haven't seen anything that justifies any of the Venezuela stuff up to and including this capture of their leader, essentially just because we can.

Meanwhile... people the world over know the US is one of the world-leaders in terms or buying trafficked people, especially women and children. For all our public "it's bad" we have powerful people who participate in it, and the USA is one of the biggest customers the world over... so... you know... maybe some other nation one day decides they need to come here and take our leader and demand regime change or they will stay and run our country for us? Doubtful it would happen, but people will lose their shit at the idea of it, even as we do the same thing to other countries when it suits us.

This definitely isn't about drugs... It's probably about oil... or with Trump it could be something personal. Who fucking knows anymore.