Urge to test Exit bag method... self harm? Brain damage risk?

[Jodes]

I have the urge to experience slowly induced hypoxia and the symptoms, using the Exit bag method. This is probably just as bad an idea as my urge to try letting blood using needles. In both cases I don't know if I'm just practicing, getting high, or if it's self harm or what.

I'm worried about brain damage. Really worried. This would be about the most stupid thing I could do, since it induces confusion at the point you need to turn off the fucking gas!! Answered my own question.

Ugh. Thoughts / knowledge / experience welcome, thanks

 

[Cody111]

Oxygen deprivation is a hell of a drug. It can lead to a rush... but brain damage is a possibility when ever depriving the brain of oxygen. Short bursts shouldnt really do harm. Like holding your breathe as long as you can. But if your just doing it to practice there is a risk it could be fatal. Just watch some of the flight pressurisation testing they do on pilots. After 1-5minutes depending on the person and pressure they cant even think to put their own mask on when told if they dont they will die.
It does look like it would be somewhat peaceful watching it though and i guess its an outcome you wouldnt be opposed too.

 

[Singing In The Rain]

I'm trying to work this out too. I made the bag. I honestly don't think youd get any long term effects if you remove the bag before you pass out. Just a guess though lol

 

[TiredHorse]

I have flinched several times with eb/N2. I've gotten to the point where my hands were tingling and I was starting to get tunnel vision, then pulled the bag away (involuntarily --that damned survival instinct). I'm reasonably certain I did not do myself harm, and I am quite certain that as soon as I had the bag off my head the effects diminished almost immediately.

However, as soon as you black out, that's it. You're not going to turn the tank off when you're unconscious.

The other element I would be worried about, if "testing the system" as you describe, is that I failed largely because I was so stressed/amped up about ending my life. Part of that involved not being able to breathe so deeply as I would have liked, which would have made the blackout much faster. Had I been thinking of it as a test run, and not been so amped, and been breathing deeper, I would likely have blacked out faster --and succeeded in dying. So don't faff about with this method unless you're genuinely willing to die, even on a test run.

 

[Jodes]

@TiredHorse I'm Sorry you're always so helpful in these matters :-s it's hard to hear you say it even though I've been planning it myself.

Thinking about it, just from TV or god knows what, I recall that the words "oxygen starvation" and brain death/damage" tend to be talked about in minutes? So holding your breath is a good analogy, along with knowing the sigbs and being ready for death :D fuck me I'm ready. So damned tempting

 

[Final Escape]

I have the urge to experience slowly induced hypoxia and the symptoms, using the Exit bag method. This is probably just as bad an idea as my urge to try letting blood using needles. In both cases I don't know if I'm just practicing, getting high, or if it's self harm or what.

I'm worried about brain damage. Really worried. This would be about the most stupid thing I could do, since it induces confusion at the point you need to turn off the fucking gas!! Answered my own question.

Ugh. Thoughts / knowledge / experience welcome, thanks

I don't think it will cause brain damage unless u let it go to the point of unconsciousness. I have practiced and I feel like I know where that line is when I'm getting dizzy and disoriented. As long as u don't cross that line I doubt u will cause brain damage.

 

[Jodes]

I don't think it will cause brain damage unless u let it go to the point of unconsciousness. I have practiced and I feel like I know where that line is when I'm getting dizzy and disoriented. As long as u don't cross that line I doubt u will cause brain damage.

I was sure I'd seen someone, maybe you, you mention something like that before, wish I could find it. Man, dangerous though, get it really right/wrong and I could be gone in one breath. There's a lot more information how to use the exit bag to actually CBT.

 

[TiredHorse]

Oxygen starvation is all relative. Blacking out is not necessarily the point of no return for brain damage; there's still a fair bit of O2 in your system to keep your brain alive and (relatively) unharmed. A sustained blackout, however, is just as damaging as you fear.

I suspect that if you really wanted to see what it will be like, you could simulate a "trial run" by filling a balloon with N2, exhaling completely, and then inhaling the N2 from the balloon. You'll get your lungs filled with N2, then the spent balloon will fall away and you'll once again be breathing air. This will be the equivalent of taking that first deep inhalation after pulling the bag down over your head, and then having the bag pulled away. On YouTube you will find numerous examples of people inhaling an entire balloon of helium, passing out (to the hilarity of their friends), then returning to consciousness with no apparent ill effects.

Just take care to have a soft place to land when you pass out.

I wouldn't do this very often, though. The biological reality is that your brain is remarkably resilliant, and does very well at repairing itself, but that is not to be seen as license to huff inert gas regularly and assume there won't be residual effects. Even the best biological repairs take time, and no repair is so good as the undamaged original.

 

[Jodes]

Oxygen starvation is all relative. Blacking out is not necessarily the point of no return for brain damage; there's still a fair bit of O2 in your system to keep your brain alive and (relatively) unharmed. A sustained blackout, however, is just as damaging as you fear.

I suspect that if you really wanted to see what it will be like, you could simulate a "trial run" by filling a balloon with N2, exhaling completely, and then inhaling the N2 from the balloon. You'll get your lungs filled with N2, then the spent balloon will fall away and you'll once again be breathing air. This will be the equivalent of taking that first deep inhalation after pulling the bag down over your head, and then having the bag pulled away. On YouTube you will find numerous examples of people inhaling an entire balloon of helium, passing out (to the hilarity of their friends), then returning to consciousness with no apparent ill effects.

Just take care to have a soft place to land when you pass out.

I wouldn't do this very often, though. The biological reality is that your brain is remarkably resilliant, and does very well at repairing itself, but that is not to be seen as license to huff inert gas regularly and assume there won't be residual effects. Even the best biological repairs take time, and no repair is so good as the undamaged original.

Very helpful, thanks.

I think I'm hoping one off the states will makebitveasier to CTB, rather than doing it "sober". I don't like the idea of going out in one breath, especially if it's all so peaceful.