UK welfare check

[Richard Langford]

The below comes up when I'm looking to buy a Carbon Monoxide Cylinder from a UK Business. Do you think as I'm not a Company attempting to buy would lead to a UK Police Welfare check?


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Are you buying on behalf of a company or organisation such as school or charity?

 

[SVEN]

I doubt if there would be any checks if the company declined to sell to a private individual, which seems likely from their query. Inquiries by the authorities in the UK usually seem to arise after the arrival of suspect substances at Customs.
The original query to the potential supplier is perfectly innocent, you're just asking if they supply retail customers with a legal and non restricted gas.

 

[Richard Langford]

I doubt if there would be any checks if the company declined to sell to a private individual, which seems likely from their query. Inquiries by the authorities in the UK usually seem to arise after the arrival of suspect substances at Customs.
The original query to the potential supplier is perfectly innocent, you're just asking if they supply retail customers with a legal and non restricted gas.

Carbon dioxide - Industrial Grade - 10 litre Steel Cylinder (7.2 kg) | Carbon dioxide - Industrial Grade - 30 litre Steel Cylinder (21.6 kg) | Carbon dioxide - Industrial Grade - 47 litre Steel Cylinder (34 kg)

Carbon Dioxide Industrial grade (99.5%) is typically used for MAG-welding of carbon steels with solid and flux cored wires. May also be used for welding stainless and alloy steels but with flux cored wires only. This is not a food grade product and should not be used for drink dispense or food...

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It's this company. When you get to Delivery that statement comes up. Do you think that would nulify a private purcgase?

 

[SVEN]

I really wouldn't know the company policy, as they are obviously aiming at industrial users their policy may be to look for repeat orders of multiple units. They might also wish to obtain a deposit for the cylinders in the absence of an approved credit line.
Only they can advise if they would supply a retail customer with a smaller order. There must be a supply line of some sort for individuals involved in car restoration or steel art sculptures etc who wish to utilise welding techniques, however what that would be I don't know.

 

[Richard Langford]

I really wouldn't know the company policy, as they are obviously aiming at industrial users their policy may be to look for repeat orders of multiple units. They might also wish to obtain a deposit for the cylinders in the absence of an approved credit line.
Only they can advise if they would supply a retail customer with a smaller order. There must be a supply line of some sort for individuals involved in car restoration or steel art sculptures etc who wish to utilise welding techniques, however what that would be I don't know.

I'm not even sure what the commercial use actually is? Wielding you think?

 

[SVEN]

I'm not even sure what the commercial use actually is? Wielding you think?

Well, that's what the company concerned cite in their reply to you, in mentioning the type of welding to which the gas is suited. I'm just going by their stating that it ,"May be used for welding stainless and alloy steels". I just imagined that a private individual may use welding equipment for their own projects such as rebuilding a vintage motor vehicle or a metal sculpture or artwork. I've got no personal knowledge of the uses of this gas.

 

[Richard Langford]

Well, that's what the company concerned cite in their reply to you, in mentioning the type of welding to which the gas is suited. I'm just going by their stating that it ,"May be used for welding stainless and alloy steels". I just imagined that a private individual may use welding equipment for their own projects such as rebuilding a vintage motor vehicle or a metal sculpture or artwork. I've got no personal knowledge of the uses of this gas.

They didn't reply to me. This just comes up in the purchasing process.

 

[SVEN]

They didn't reply to me. This just comes up in the purchasing process.

Well, if that is their general information regarding the suitability of this gas for these purposes it affords an idea of the reason(s) which could be offered for purchase by an individual.

 

[Richard Langford]

Well, if that is their general information regarding the suitability of this gas for these purposes it affords an idea of the reason(s) which could be offered for purchase.

Hmm. I might approach them by email with such a comment and see their reaction. Saves messing around.

 

[Richard Langford]

I notice when I look on the BOC website this comes up....

This is a Restricted product

More about restricted products

Some gas products are subject to restrictions due to potentially hazardous properties and require further verification checks before we can commence supply. Once these have been conducted your delivery address will be released to accept these products.

Products subject to restrictions will be highlighted in the catalogue, also during checkout your delivery address will be validated and you will be informed of any restrictions that may apply.

To discuss these restrictions contact customer services on 0800 111 333 or use the enquiry form.

 

[Forveleth]

These companies are getting wise to private citizens using chemicals to kill themselves and have started restricting who can purchase what. Many have started requiring proof that you are ordering for a business or they will not sell to you to protect themselves. It makes sense for them but is very annoying for us. Most likely, you will just not be able to purchase.

Also, your thread says carbon MONoxide but the link is for carbon DIoxide. Make sure you are ordering what you intended (you would be surprised how often people mess this up).

 

[Richard Langford]

These companies are getting wise to private citizens using chemicals to kill themselves and have started restricting who can purchase what. Many have started requiring proof that you are ordering for a business or they will not sell to you to protect themselves. It makes sense for them but is very annoying for us. Most likely, you will just not be able to purchase.

Also, your thread says carbon MONoxide but the link is for carbon DIoxide. Make sure you are ordering what you intended (you would be surprised how often people mess this up).

You are absolutely correct re the link. My error. And indeed re the companies being wise. There are two in the UK. BOC and one who the name escapes me. It looks very much like BOC (that was their Restricted Product message) are wise to it and would probably block my purchase

For the record the BOC link which as a product would gave been ideal in a large cylinder.

Carbon Monoxide N3.7 (Research Grade CO) Cylinder | Industrial Gas | Gas Equipment & Accessories | BOC Shop

99.97% Speciality Grade Carbon Monoxide, BS4 valve.

www.boconline.co.uk

 

[Richard Langford]

Just to come back to this I thought Id ask ChatGpt. It told me this unfortunately...See below

I suppose I could set up a business to create a legitimate need perhaps. But then I'd still be at a residental address and thdy might be wise to such


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You said:
Can i buy carbon monoxide in tye uk
ChatGPT said:
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In the UK, carbon monoxide (CO) is a dangerous and regulated substance, and it is not available for purchase by the general public. CO is a colorless, odorless, and toxic gas that can pose serious health risks, including poisoning and death.

While carbon monoxide is used in industrial settings for specific applications, such as in the production of chemicals or metals, its sale is restricted. If you require CO for a legitimate industrial or scientific purpose, you would need to follow strict regulations and obtain it through licensed suppliers."