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bea1974

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Aug 7, 2019
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I'm choosing to go via chloroquine. I believe I have some on its way to me. I have read up on it and understand that ideally I would use an anti emitic called domperidone prior to the final act.

However, it is proving difficult to get hold of any domperidone here, in England.

Does anyone know of any over-the-counter anti emitic that is powerful to do the job in this context?
 
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calendulo

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Jun 13, 2019
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https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/where-to-buy-antiemetics.20570/

In this thread someone buyed, i think in ebay and sent it toward UK as well.
Ask it them.
 
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bea1974

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Thank you I will try follow that up. Is there no alternative then?
 
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calendulo

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Jun 13, 2019
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Thank you I will try follow that up. Is there no alternative then?

Yes there is. Primperan. A thread's guy already had ordered it and he was waiting for it.
He´ll have the link, he will can to pass you the link. If not, let me know and I could do a trying to find it.............I have a little mess in the computer.......sorry.
 
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bea1974

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Aug 7, 2019
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Yes there is. Primperan. A thread's guy already had ordered it and he was waiting for it.
He´ll have the link, he will can to pass you the link. If not, let me know and I could do a trying to find it.............I have a little mess in the computer.......sorry.

Thank you!
 
dysphoria

dysphoria

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Aug 4, 2019
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Domperidone was changed to a prescription-only medicine recently in the UK, but you can still order it from online pharmacies, as well as a different class of antiemetics including ondansetron. Cheap, 2 weeks to arrive. If none are available, you can use the common antidepressant mirtazapine, which is a strong antiemetic working through the same mechanism, just tends to make you very sleepy as well.

Domperidone is a dopamine antagonist which doesn't readily cross the blood-brain barrier, so you mostly just get the antiemetic effect, but metoclopramide and other dopamine antagonists enter the brain and block up your motivation circuits, and would not be ideal for someone who needs motivation to carry out the act.
 
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bea1974

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Aug 7, 2019
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Thanks for that, very useful. If using mirtazapine what dosage would you recommend and how long after taking it would you then take the chloroquine?
I take mirtazapine as prescribed every evening and yes it does make me quite groggy/sleepy so the timing would be crucial no doubt!
 
dysphoria

dysphoria

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That would be tricky to estimate. First of all you have a tolerance, so if you're taking 30mg, this would need to be in addition to that. As mirtazapine has a fairly strong effect of raising the heart rate, as an alpha-2 antagonist, you need to make sure you don't take too much, as it would not be comfortable.

I would guess that 45mg would be adequate for non-tolerant people. If you were tolerant to 45mg by prescription, I'd say 90mg. The best way to know is to see how much you can take in one dose, although remember that your tolerance needs 2 weeks to reset after this. It's safe up to about 75mg in new users, and after that its seizure-inducing potential may become a problem even for non-epileptics. The cardiac effects would also be strong. They prescribe in doses from 15-45mg, occasionally 60mg, so that should give you an idea. Larger doses are pretty safe but probably would not be desirable.

Please remember this is mostly conjecture, so it's important to test at least once yourself.

Mirtazapine's antiemetic effect is roughly the same affinity as its antidepressant effect at other serotonin receptors, so if you notice a mood lift, and increased hunger, then you can know it's doing the rest. It probably works just fine at the high end of prescribed doses. It works through the same receptors that hospital antiemetics do for chemo, post-anaesthesia, etc.

Important to say: mirtazapine would not keep you asleep during a chloroquinine overdose! It has zero anaesthetic effect, and not even a true sedative effect except as an antihistamine. If there is pain, you will wake straight up, and you will not be calm. You would want to involve one of the following: barbiturate, opioid, or NMDA antagonist at the very least. Mirtazapine increases heart rate and function so this may be a good or bad thing for the overdose. I'm not familiar with how exactly this chemical kills you, what the timeline is like, what the experience is like, but that's what I know about mirtazapine. From what I've read about chloroquinine so far, it's not something I'd choose to die from. Looks pretty horrid, unless you're on very strong drugs beforehand.

You can know that mirtazapine has been absorbed by paying attention to the changes you feel. Sleepiness (which you'll have to fight viciously), dry mouth, hunger, racing heart, mood lift - if all or most of these are present, then it's in your bloodstream and absorbing further. Normally about an hour to absorb, going on past experience, but I haven't looked up its exact pharmacokinetics. You'd want to stay awake as long as you can before you take this chloroquinine stuff, then you'll be woken up when you have a heart attack or whatever this stuff does.
 

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