Trying to save everyone from suicide is unrealistic

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

I am referring to our culture surrounding suicide

We have all this hotlines and services that are always like "call blah blah blah if you're suicidal"

Most of the time they don't even help

Heres the thing, some people just cannot be saved

This isn't to say we should give up on ourselves and others

I believe we should give it a good run/effort and try

But wanting to stop trying Is valid too

Life, mixed with abuse and trauma starting from childhood, makes life seemingly impossible

Even with at more advancements in mental health healing, for some the journey will be too hard

It'll be suffocating, painful, and some don't want to go through with it and would rather end their pain on their own terms

And thats ok

In the end, nobody wants to take the blame or deal with the aftermath of one ending their lives

Often times, and I speak for myself, I find that many people are driven to suicide by shitty people/circumstances

Abusive parents who will act like they did nothing wrong

Abusive SO's who are narcs, so on and so forth

This world is a really shitty place

Then again what do I know I am 22

I am living with my dad and brother and they fight a lot

I feel like the next big blowout happens I might die

Since I live in the US there is no way to access euthanasia legally which sucks '

If so I might do it

 

[KibblesNBits]

I am referring to our culture surrounding suicide

We have all this hotlines and services that are always like "call blah blah blah if you're suicidal"

Most of the time they don't even help

Heres the thing, some people just cannot be saved

This isn't to say we should give up on ourselves and others

I believe we should give it a good run/effort and try

But wanting to stop trying Is valid too

Life, mixed with abuse and trauma starting from childhood, makes life seemingly impossible

Even with at more advancements in mental health healing, for some the journey will be too hard

It'll be suffocating, painful, and some don't want to go through with it and would rather end their pain on their own terms

And thats ok

In the end, nobody wants to take the blame or deal with the aftermath of one ending their lives

Often times, and I speak for myself, I find that many people are driven to suicide by shitty people/circumstances

Abusive parents who will act like they did nothing wrong

Abusive SO's who are narcs, so on and so forth

This world is a really shitty place

Then again what do I know I am 22

I am living with my dad and brother and they fight a lot

I feel like the next big blowout happens I might die

Since I live in the US there is no way to access euthanasia legally which sucks '

If so I might do it

I'd rather just be given the opportunity to go to sleep and never wake up. I either tried at life and failed or didn't try hard enough and did irreparable damage. I'm not looking to cause anyone else harm, I'm not crying out for help, I just want to get off this ride.

 

[Bruces]

Should just allow access to euthanasia for everbody

 

[DeadButDreaming]

Assisted suicide is being legalised in my state next year, but there is a clause excluding the mentally ill from qualifying. It's outrageous that we are discriminated against this way.

 

[Bct]

Yeah, all of mental health services in my country are just saying depression can be cured & you can "graduate" from being suicidal, which is just impossible.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I'd rather just be given the opportunity to go to sleep and never wake up. I either tried at life and failed or didn't try hard enough and did irreparable damage. I'm not looking to cause anyone else harm, I'm not crying out for help, I just want to get off this ride.

Mate if I could buy a ticket for like a century in a coma then wake up all okay I'd do it in a second, I don't really want off the ride but for the ride to be more fun, and less judgemental lol. I'd just keep renewing my subscription until it gets good!

 

[Deleted member 17949]

The problem is that life continues on top of recovery. When you're suicidal to the point where you can't keep up with normal life anymore there is no real system to support your and other people just don't have the time to help.

 

[profoundexperience]

Assisted suicide is being legalised in my state next year, but there is a clause excluding the mentally ill from qualifying. It's outrageous...

One has to be completely happy with life as-it-is/be well-adjusted/be 100% "normal"* -- and prove that as a fact -- to be allowed to legally commit suicide. The hypocrisy, irony and evil of that is astounding!

* As if such a thing even exists.

 

[Meowkin]

My take on the help available for the suicidal is that it's inadequate. Lifelines do help to get you through one more day but that's as far as it goes. If there's slight improvement in your life after the call, then the helpline was able to help you last one more day to see your life picking up. On the other hand, if there's no improvement, then there's really nothing much lifelines alone can do.

As for mental healthcare, it's hit and miss with drugs and therapists. You might get lucky and find the right therapist and the right drug at a time when you're able to cope with recovery. If you're unlucky, then you get a horrible therapist/ ineffective drugs at a time when you can't take anymore.

 

[Deleted member 19276]

Hotlines are seriously a big joke. I see there was a mention of that in your post and from what I know, they basically are a way of " bait " for the desperate and suicidal. As soon as you make that call and tell them you have some sort of idea or plan, they start tracking your number. Then they send the authorities. It's a truly nasty system. As for saving everyone, that's the typical pro-life do-gooder society we live in. Everyone wants to be the big hero-syndrome without at least thinking once what their actions might do to the person they are "saving". Absolutely horrible, the way this planet works. : /

 

[rhiino]

@Vorty27 Those are some wise thoughts. It really is bait to make you call them, evaluate whether you are really high risk and then call the cops on you to have you literally put in a prison for doing nothing wrong.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Then again what do I know I am 22

Please don't minimize your own thoughts because you are 22. I'm jumping the gun here, but I'm guessing that what you mean't is that you feel your opinions are worthless because you are still young. If my guess was correct: Then I'm going to disagree with what you said (not in a bad way!) Age doesn't void what you say - your feelings and emotions are just as valid at 22 as they are at any other age. Any pain that you might be in now is as real as that which is felt by someone that is younger or older than you, and regardless of where they or you are in life. If anything being at your age is good because it can give you a fresh perspective of the world.

 

[Deleted member 19276]

@Vorty27 Those are some wise thoughts. It really is bait to make you call them, evaluate whether you are really high risk and then call the cops on you to have you literally put in a prison for doing nothing wrong.

I couldn't agree more with your words! Very well said, specially the whole " having freedom taken away " for absolutely nothing. We are tormented souls, not criminal convicts. Locking up someone because of their sadness is like sending someone to a prison for them wanting to use the bathroom. That sort of imprisonment makes absolutely zero sense. The fact they send cops is absolutely disgusting, too!

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

Hotlines are seriously a big joke. I see there was a mention of that in your post and from what I know, they basically are a way of " bait " for the desperate and suicidal. As soon as you make that call and tell them you have some sort of idea or plan, they start tracking your number. Then they send the authorities. It's a truly nasty system. As for saving everyone, that's the typical pro-life do-gooder society we live in. Everyone wants to be the big hero-syndrome without at least thinking once what their actions might do to the person they are "saving". Absolutely horrible, the way this planet works. : /

I hate when they call the authorities. For me its why I fear to mention my suicidal thoughts. Even when they say "no we won't" or "we can't track them" or some lying bullshit, it still pisses me off. Because I know they will still do it.

 

[JoeFailure]

I am referring to our culture surrounding suicide

We have all this hotlines and services that are always like "call blah blah blah if you're suicidal"

Most of the time they don't even help

Heres the thing, some people just cannot be saved

This isn't to say we should give up on ourselves and others

I believe we should give it a good run/effort and try

But wanting to stop trying Is valid too

Life, mixed with abuse and trauma starting from childhood, makes life seemingly impossible

Even with at more advancements in mental health healing, for some the journey will be too hard

It'll be suffocating, painful, and some don't want to go through with it and would rather end their pain on their own terms

And thats ok

In the end, nobody wants to take the blame or deal with the aftermath of one ending their lives

Often times, and I speak for myself, I find that many people are driven to suicide by shitty people/circumstances

Abusive parents who will act like they did nothing wrong

Abusive SO's who are narcs, so on and so forth

This world is a really shitty place

Then again what do I know I am 22

I am living with my dad and brother and they fight a lot

I feel like the next big blowout happens I might die

Since I live in the US there is no way to access euthanasia legally which sucks '

If so I might do it

This is also why I have empathy for the people on those suicide hotlines. I think a lot of them probably are good people that are just trying to help, but don't really understand any of this.

 

[Deleted member 14386]

I hate when they call the authorities. For me its why I fear to mention my suicidal thoughts. Even when they say "no we won't" or "we can't track them" or some lying bullshit, it still pisses me off. Because I know they will still do it.

This is exactly why I never call those numbers anymore, I'm not saying they can't be useful to some people but not me. Last time w/ samaritans I opened with "I'm going to ctb and I dunno if I should or not", they said "well we can't give you advice one way or another". That threw me off and they slowly plied info out of me, alerted the police and they were at the door while I was still on the phone.
I said "did you do this" he said
"What?"
"The cops are at my door"
"Have you done anything illegal recently?"
"I just fucking bore my heart out to you and you didn't even listen?!"
"Oh no we record all calls here"
"To swat suicidal people with???!"
"............................sir maybe you should answer the police at the door"
"Why?"
"Because they'll break your door down if you don't"
*I hung up*

effing cunts

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

This is exactly why I never call those numbers anymore, I'm not saying they can't be useful to some people but not me. Last time w/ samaritans I opened with "I'm going to ctb and I dunno if I should or not", they said "well we can't give you advice one way or another". That threw me off and they slowly plied info out of me, alerted the police and they were at the door while I was still on the phone.
I said "did you do this" he said
"What?"
"The cops are at my door"
"Have you done anything illegal recently?"
"I just fucking bore my heart out to you and you didn't even listen?!"
"Oh no we record all calls here"
"To swat suicidal people with???!"
"............................sir maybe you should answer the police at the door"
"Why?"
"Because they'll break your door down if you don't"
*I hung up*

effing cunts

That is disgusting. Even my therapist agrees that the mentality of "calling the police" or "taking you to a hospital" can do more harm than good. If anything she usually helps me get to the root of an issue before making such a decision

 

[Deleted member 19276]

I hate when they call the authorities. For me its why I fear to mention my suicidal thoughts. Even when they say "no we won't" or "we can't track them" or some lying bullshit, it still pisses me off. Because I know they will still do it.

Same here. First they call the police, then the brain dead paramedics that do not even know how to do a stomach pumping properly ( like it was with my case ). At this point, they may as well call the fire department, just in case. They can never be too sure, the morons! Pardon my language, but it's that way of " treatment " towards the suicidal that makes them close up even more.

 

[MeriDeath]

I am referring to our culture surrounding suicide

We have all this hotlines and services that are always like "call blah blah blah if you're suicidal"

Most of the time they don't even help

Heres the thing, some people just cannot be saved

This isn't to say we should give up on ourselves and others

I believe we should give it a good run/effort and try

But wanting to stop trying Is valid too

Life, mixed with abuse and trauma starting from childhood, makes life seemingly impossible

Even with at more advancements in mental health healing, for some the journey will be too hard

It'll be suffocating, painful, and some don't want to go through with it and would rather end their pain on their own terms

And thats ok

In the end, nobody wants to take the blame or deal with the aftermath of one ending their lives

Often times, and I speak for myself, I find that many people are driven to suicide by shitty people/circumstances

Abusive parents who will act like they did nothing wrong

Abusive SO's who are narcs, so on and so forth

This world is a really shitty place

Then again what do I know I am 22

I am living with my dad and brother and they fight a lot

I feel like the next big blowout happens I might die

Since I live in the US there is no way to access euthanasia legally which sucks '

If so I might do it

You know, in life we are all born, live, and die. We can actually say how we are born to die as my sweet Lana del rey says. People divide into two groups: the ones that can fix their problems and the ones that can't, the ones that are truly battling their inner demons and can't take it anymore. All these hot lines shit isn't really necessary since it's not some magic pill that can save your life, it's only good if your heart is broken or your parents are fighting. But life is more complex than that. Life is supposed to end someday and as long as you have a full control over your body and you're a sane person, you should know your decision is your decision and you can go for it if you want. It's non of anyone's business. Think about it

 

[WinterFaust]

The problem is that life continues on top of recovery. When you're suicidal to the point where you can't keep up with normal life anymore there is no real system to support your and other people just don't have the time to help.

Exactly this. For the people who potentially can be "saved," the system is set up in such a way that most people can't get the support they need. People who are suicidal and more or less recover, despite having minimal support and resources should not be the standard. I've heard plenty times this past year that everyone has problems, I'm not the only one who struggles, and I need to just get over it (Jokes on them. I've been telling myself that for years now).
As much as I want to be one of those people who can somehow overcome all hardships on their own, the truth is I need support and if I had gotten that without people trying to invalidate my struggle, I truly think I would have been much better months ago.

 

[BridgeJumper]

I am that person that cant be saved honestly.
I have been hospitalized 40+ times during the last 10 years. Hospitalizations didnt help. Therapy didnt help. Every year I get worse. Voices, depression so bad I cant eat or wash myself. Eating disorder, severe self harm. Currently developing an opiate addiction because I want to latch to whatever thats self destructive but wont land me in psych ward like my repeated, failed attempts at jumping.
Nah, Im a lost cause.A true one.

 

[rhiino]

like my repeated, failed attempts at jumping.

You already jumped multiple times? I thought you tried once.

 

[BridgeJumper]

You already jumped multiple times? I thought you tried once.

Actually jumped - once.
Tried (from a bridge I know would kill me) - I dont know, 10 - 15 times?
God, its so pathethic

 

[Mr2005]

Please don't minimize your own thoughts because you are 22. I'm jumping the gun here, but I'm guessing that what you mean't is that you feel your opinions are worthless because you are still young. If my guess was correct: Then I'm going to disagree with what you said (not in a bad way!) Age doesn't void what you say - your feelings and emotions are just as valid at 22 as they are at any other age. Any pain that you might be in now is as real as that which is felt by someone that is younger or older than you, and regardless of where they or you are in life. If anything being at your age is good because it can give you a fresh perspective of the world.

I think what they said was a sign of maturity.