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Cave Johnson

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Feb 6, 2020
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The purpose of this post/thread is to try to make sure I've thought through everything that needs thinking through.I'm going to be as accurate as I can. As succinctness and accuracy tend to be antonyms in this kind of situation, that means this is going to be a bit of a wall of text. I apologize in advance and appreciate anyone taking the time to actually read through this. Please note that none of this is put in here to elicit pity, it's simply the state of my life.

There are a number of factors bringing me to the conclusion that I'd like to CTB; I'm clinically depressed, diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and ADHD(none medicated), trans without the means or funds to do anything about it, in constant pain for over 16 years, and generally find life purposeless. I don't really have any friends to speak of, and most of those that would call me a friend I honestly see more as prolonged acquaintances. The only people in my life I've actually been close to moved out of state(I'm in the US) and I have had no contact with any of them in over 4 years. Also, not close to any family except two of my brothers, and only one of them have I talked about this stuff with.

I will now go into greater detail on the points that warrant expansion/greater discussion.
-Depression; I've been on depression medication before(don't remember which ones if I'm honest) but I felt like an unfeeling and unthinking zombie while on them and if the choice is between that and being depressed, I'll take being depressed. I've had suicidal ideation going on nearly daily for 14 years now. I've never made an attempt, but that was mostly because I decided years ago that "Do or do not, there is no try" applies here, and I've never been confident I could get it right.
-Anxiety; I used to be medicated for the anxiety but can no longer afford the psychiatrist and haven't been able to for years, though I can say I genuinely felt better on the meds.
-ADHD; Was never medicated. I don't even know if the medication would help the way I feel or if it's just the ADHD combined with the other two that makes it even worth considering.
-Trans/Gender dysphoria; I've not been "officially" diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and honestly it may just be body dismorphia. I have spoken with a psichologist about this in the past but they never gave an official "Yes you have X" or "No, you do not have X" they always steered the conversation toward some other topic.
-Constant pain;Constant migraines, I often just describe it as a 16 year long migraine. I've seen 8 separate and unaffiliated neurologists none of which could give any kind of answer to what was going on. I've had at least one CAT scan and MRI at each one and they were never able to turn up anything. The 8th one decided to diagnose me with "Chronic Pain Syndrome"(basically "You're in pain and we don't know why.") and I was ultimately referred to pain management. In my area at least, Pain Management was basically extortion. I've been charged no less than $350 for an 20 minute appointment where they ask a couple questions and then refill whatever narcotics you currently are presceibed which is another $80+. Eventually the state changed some laws and they were required to get me off of all narcotics within 6 months. That was a year ago, and no non-narcotics they prescribed that I could afford did a damned thing. There was one they tried to prescribe that my insurance wouldn't cover and was over $4,000, never got that one
-Purposelessness; I suppose it depends on what perspective you take when examining the question. As I see it, the purpose of life(generally speaking) is to propagate(i.e. to have children) and pass on your genes to the next generation. I have no plans on ever doing this. I try to joke about it, but I basically lost the genetic lottery with my family. I've inherited every psychological problem on both sides of my family, I've genetically got bad teeth and nothing I do stops them from decaying. I've got weak knees and elbows not to mention the aforementioned pain. I'm unsure how much of it all this is tied to the DNA contained within germ-line cells and am unwilling to play that kind of genetic lottery for any potential offspring. Also, I wouldn't want to subject a potential partner to the absolute mess that is me. So no children.
You could look at it from the perspective that the purpose of life is what you decide it is or make of it. With children no longer in consideration, and a partner unlikely, The only options left that I can think of are either taking the hedonism route or the cause route. I do not think hedonism would be a viable option for me. Being depressed constantly forces one to use any possible method of distraction available to be able to enjoy any of it, and when apathy hits none of that works anyway. The cause route suffers from similar setbacks. The Anxiety mixed with depression and ADHD bring to bear a perfectionist mindset(at least in myself) where nothing I do is ever good enough, no matter how good/well done it is or isn't.

I see little point in expanding on how I don't really have friends or I'm not close with my family, but if someone wishes to go into it I'm not against the idea.

I'm sure there are likely angles on this I haven't considered as it's difficult for one to consider all angles without feedback from an outside source to provide criticism to the arguments from an outside perspective.
Thank you for your time.
 
Amossoma543

Amossoma543

Student
Jan 31, 2020
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The purpose of this post/thread is to try to make sure I've thought through everything that needs thinking through.I'm going to be as accurate as I can. As succinctness and accuracy tend to be antonyms in this kind of situation, that means this is going to be a bit of a wall of text. I apologize in advance and appreciate anyone taking the time to actually read through this. Please note that none of this is put in here to elicit pity, it's simply the state of my life.

There are a number of factors bringing me to the conclusion that I'd like to CTB; I'm clinically depressed, diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and ADHD(none medicated), trans without the means or funds to do anything about it, in constant pain for over 16 years, and generally find life purposeless. I don't really have any friends to speak of, and most of those that would call me a friend I honestly see more as prolonged acquaintances. The only people in my life I've actually been close to moved out of state(I'm in the US) and I have had no contact with any of them in over 4 years. Also, not close to any family except two of my brothers, and only one of them have I talked about this stuff with.

I will now go into greater detail on the points that warrant expansion/greater discussion.
-Depression; I've been on depression medication before(don't remember which ones if I'm honest) but I felt like an unfeeling and unthinking zombie while on them and if the choice is between that and being depressed, I'll take being depressed. I've had suicidal ideation going on nearly daily for 14 years now. I've never made an attempt, but that was mostly because I decided years ago that "Do or do not, there is no try" applies here, and I've never been confident I could get it right.
-Anxiety; I used to be medicated for the anxiety but can no longer afford the psychiatrist and haven't been able to for years, though I can say I genuinely felt better on the meds.
-ADHD; Was never medicated. I don't even know if the medication would help the way I feel or if it's just the ADHD combined with the other two that makes it even worth considering.
-Trans/Gender dysphoria; I've not been "officially" diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and honestly it may just be body dismorphia. I have spoken with a psichologist about this in the past but they never gave an official "Yes you have X" or "No, you do not have X" they always steered the conversation toward some other topic.
-Constant pain;Constant migraines, I often just describe it as a 16 year long migraine. I've seen 8 separate and unaffiliated neurologists none of which could give any kind of answer to what was going on. I've had at least one CAT scan and MRI at each one and they were never able to turn up anything. The 8th one decided to diagnose me with "Chronic Pain Syndrome"(basically "You're in pain and we don't know why.") and I was ultimately referred to pain management. In my area at least, Pain Management was basically extortion. I've been charged no less than $350 for an 20 minute appointment where they ask a couple questions and then refill whatever narcotics you currently are presceibed which is another $80+. Eventually the state changed some laws and they were required to get me off of all narcotics within 6 months. That was a year ago, and no non-narcotics they prescribed that I could afford did a damned thing. There was one they tried to prescribe that my insurance wouldn't cover and was over $4,000, never got that one
-Purposelessness; I suppose it depends on what perspective you take when examining the question. As I see it, the purpose of life(generally speaking) is to propagate(i.e. to have children) and pass on your genes to the next generation. I have no plans on ever doing this. I try to joke about it, but I basically lost the genetic lottery with my family. I've inherited every psychological problem on both sides of my family, I've genetically got bad teeth and nothing I do stops them from decaying. I've got weak knees and elbows not to mention the aforementioned pain. I'm unsure how much of it all this is tied to the DNA contained within germ-line cells and am unwilling to play that kind of genetic lottery for any potential offspring. Also, I wouldn't want to subject a potential partner to the absolute mess that is me. So no children.
You could look at it from the perspective that the purpose of life is what you decide it is or make of it. With children no longer in consideration, and a partner unlikely, The only options left that I can think of are either taking the hedonism route or the cause route. I do not think hedonism would be a viable option for me. Being depressed constantly forces one to use any possible method of distraction available to be able to enjoy any of it, and when apathy hits none of that works anyway. The cause route suffers from similar setbacks. The Anxiety mixed with depression and ADHD bring to bear a perfectionist mindset(at least in myself) where nothing I do is ever good enough, no matter how good/well done it is or isn't.

I see little point in expanding on how I don't really have friends or I'm not close with my family, but if someone wishes to go into it I'm not against the idea.

I'm sure there are likely angles on this I haven't considered as it's difficult for one to consider all angles without feedback from an outside source to provide criticism to the arguments from an outside perspective.
Thank you for your time.
I wish you peace and comfort no matter what you choose. I did read your entire post, and I can empathize with the misery and anxiety and depression. Feeling broken doesn't feel good. Feeling damaged doesn't feel good. Feeling like few people genuinely care or can genuinely do anything for you sucks. Some of us get the message pretty early on that we are essentially on our own in this journey of life, especially when you've got a hat full of issues like you have listed here. There's virtually nobody who you can talk to, probably...and those who you might talk to would give you advice that you've likely already heard, doesn't solve any of the problems...or would just be outright unhelpful, and probably even disrespectful and dismissive. I've experienced all of those.

I'm glad you took the time to write this out. There is a cathartic nature to processing, even in writing it out. Self expression helps us to at least take one more step forward, wherever that step leads. Be well.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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You had me at:
As succinctness and accuracy tend to be antonyms in this kind of situation, that means this is going to be a bit of a wall of text.

Dude, I'm a professional wordwall builder. Just admiring the work here of a fellow craftsman.

Eloquent setup that speaks to my nerdy brainy writerly heart...such panache! Formatted for visual and cognitive clarity...good form. Summary with an academic's evidence of humility and invitation to join the conversation...tablet on my lap, I lift my pipe to you from in front of the softly crackling evening fire in my den.


-Trans/Gender dysphoria; I've not been "officially" diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and honestly it may just be body dismorphia. I have spoken with a psichologist about this in the past but they never gave an official "Yes you have X" or "No, you do not have X" they always steered the conversation toward some other topic.

[...]

I'm sure there are likely angles on this I haven't considered as it's difficult for one to consider all angles without feedback from an outside source to provide criticism to the arguments from an outside perspective.

I humbly offer you my feedback. I'm just another random expert on the internet, do (or don't do) with it as you wish, and if you find no value in my insights, I hope at least the creative slant amuses.

As I see it, you were in the lair a representative of a controlling domain who did not even deign to grant you a label. S/he didn't give you an X prize for playing! Maybe a consolation X prize of her/his choosing?

Your true issues were dismissed. You were dismissed. I wonder what label s/he was trying to mold you in the image of, since clearly you cannot fashion yourself.

I smell a bullshit agenda. It's how I roll. I fight the power.

Personally, I'm glad you got away from the label you sought in good faith, dissatisfied and therefore scathed, but (hopefully) still you. Psychology has its benefits, which seem to have been denied you there, but it also has its traps. Hope you didn't go for the dangling carrot that s/he had something to offer you when s/he wouldn't acknowledge your clearly presented need, but if you did, I hope you got some benefit, and if you did not, I hope you do not blame yourself for someome else's action.

That's all I've got for you, I'm afraid -- a different perspective, compassion, and the turnaround that maybe you did or can get a prize, but from yourself instead.

I won't deign to welcome you. I'll say thank you for sharing. I'm glad you're here. I hope you get a lot of benefit from it.

And j/k. Welcome. I deign, I deign...
 
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Amossoma543

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Jan 31, 2020
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You had me at:


Dude, I'm a professional wordwall builder. Just admiring the work here of a fellow craftsman.

Eloquent setup that speaks to my nerdy brainy writerly heart...such panache! Formatted for visual and cognitive clarity...good form. Summary with an academic's evidence of humility and invitation to join the conversation...tablet on my lap, I lift my pipe to you from in front of the softly crackling evening fire in my den.




I humbly offer you my feedback. I'm just another random expert on the internet, do (or don't do) with it as you wish, and if you find no value in my insights, I hope at least the creative slant amuses.

As I see it, you were in the lair a representative of a controlling domain who did not even deign to grant you a label. S/he didn't give you an X prize for playing! Maybe a consolation X prize of her/his choosing?

Your true issues were dismissed. You were dismissed. I wonder what label s/he was trying to mold you in the image of, since clearly you cannot fashion yourself.

I smell a bullshit agenda. It's how I roll. I fight the power.

Personally, I'm glad you got away from the label you sought in good faith, dissatisfied and therefore scathed, but (hopefully) still you. Psychology has its benefits, which seem to have been denied you there, but it also has its traps. Hope you didn't go for the dangling carrot that s/he had something to offer you when s/he wouldn't acknowledge your clearly presented need, but if you did, I hope you got some benefit, and if you did not, I hope you do not blame yourself for someome else's action.

That's all I've got for you, I'm afraid -- a different perspective, compassion, and the turnaround that maybe you did or can get a prize, but from yourself instead.

I won't deign to welcome you. I'll say thank you for sharing. I'm glad you're here. I hope you get a lot of benefit from it.

And j/k. Welcome. I deign, I deign...
This is the type of post that I come here for. Empathic. Comforting. Reaffirming. Encouraging. A warm, friendly voice in an otherwise shitty, cold, and unsympathetic world. Kudos to you.
 
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Cave Johnson

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Feb 6, 2020
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Dude, I'm a professional wordwall builder. Just admiring the work here of a fellow craftsman.

Eloquent setup that speaks to my nerdy brainy writerly heart...such panache! Formatted for visual and cognitive clarity...good form. Summary with an academic's evidence of humility and invitation to join the conversation...tablet on my lap, I lift my pipe to you from in front of the softly crackling evening fire in my den.
I love the visualization of this, I thank you for the chuckle and I appreciate the compliment
 
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ClonesAnnoyMe

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Feb 7, 2020
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Have you thought about a career change? What do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking
 
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Cave Johnson

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Feb 6, 2020
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I'm currently not employed, but my AoE is IT. Due to some other physical issues I've not mentioned in this post most manual labor jobs are not open to me(which some people keep trying to force me into anyway, but that's another discussion.), though I have applied to a number of jobs in my field with little success. It's possible that if I get the latest one it may provide enough change that I may postpone CBTing simply for the experience. 500 miles from my family and a state where cannabis is legal could be enjoyable. Not sure.
 
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ClonesAnnoyMe

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Feb 7, 2020
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Honestly man do whatever the fuck makes you happy aslong as it doesn't harm anyone else. Weed saved my life and there's a chance it will do the same for you, I highly recommend
 
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Cave Johnson

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Feb 6, 2020
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As I've mentioned to you previously, I have tried weed, I'm an avid pothead. Also, while I haven't really mention it in this thread I will now, nothing makes me happy. I haven't been happy in over a decade. I don't even remember what being happy feels like. There are some things I have done that distract me from my circumstances over the years, but the more I use them the less they work. I've used videogames for a long time, but the more apathy sets in the less I'm able to distract myself as easily.
 
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ClonesAnnoyMe

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Feb 7, 2020
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I'm sure a change of environment would be nice though
 
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Cave Johnson

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Feb 6, 2020
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It may, I don't know. However I do know that a change in environment isn't going to rid me of my anxiety, depression or my gender dysphoria/body dismorphia or rid my of my constant pain. Just because something may be nice, or even would objectively be nice, it doesn't mean it'll tip the balance.
 

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