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I just spent the afternoon playing with two of my nephews, they're 4 and 5 and pretty awesome. They're perfectly honest as only kids can be and they clearly like me a lot. Unfortunately about 6 months ago my youngest brother (their father) was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and he and his girlfriend (the boys' mother) recently split up after yet another fight, he had drunk too much and threatened suicide... All this in front of his two sons.

My brother/their father struggled with addiction and behavioural problems since he was a teenager and tried to commit suicide when he was in his early twenties, he nearly succeeded. He never finished high school due to his inability to maintain any sort of discipline. Inspite of all this he stil decided it was a good idea to procreate, especially in this case an extremely selfish decision imo. He claims he decided to have children in what he described as 'a manic state' (really, twice?). He loves his children I think but he's suicidal and speaks about this openly.

It's clear my two nephews will be affected by this horrible mess in some way and I hate it as they're perfectly innocent and don't deserve this. Their father's a mentally unstable wreck with an alcohol problem and a death wish (he's in a mental hospital as a voluntary patient) and their mother is a selfish bitch that can't be reasoned with and tries to exploit my brother's vulnerable state to get the better of the situation financially.

Today both of my nephews came to me for a hug. I tried to comfort them as best I could.

Obviously I'm just one of their uncles (they have quite a lot of other family-members) but the thought of hurting them by my death breaks my heart.

I wish I had done it before they were born or during the period they weren't really conscious of anyone. Clearly I had nothing to do with them coming into this world and I'm not responsible for them but I still feel an obligation towards them (ad minimum: do no harm). No to mention my other two nephews by my other brother (luckily his relationship with his girlfriend is stable), one of which is my godson. How could I have been so stupid to accept that responsiblity knowing full well I've suffered so much and always considered suicide an acceptable way out?

How the hell am I supposed to deal with this? I can live (oh the irony) with the knowledge of hurting my mother, other family-members and even my friends but these four young boys did nothing to deserve having to hear their uncle offed himself and having to deal with the fall-out of that. Imagine one of them ends up as fucked-up as me and thinks back on my death and decides it's a good idea...

I am truly and utterly fucked. I don't want to feel like a complete ass and a miserable moral failure if I do decide I need to leave this world. Which is my goddamn, bloody right as I didn't ask to be here, I didn't ask to suffer so much and I sure as hell didn't ask to be put in a situation where I have to choose between life and death.

I consciously decided never to have children even though this cost me the relationship with the love of my life, I did the right thing and I'm still fucked. Unless I manage to find a way to make life worth living again no matter how one looks at this someone is going to get screwed. Either me having to stay due to having a stupid conscience or my nephews when I CTB... What a rotten, fucked-up, miserable world is this?

I can't describe how shitty this feels.

Is anyone in a similar situation? If so how do you deal with it?
 
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I just spent the afternoon playing with two of my nephews, they're 4 and 5 and pretty awesome. They're perfectly honest as only kids can be and they clearly like me a lot. Unfortunately about 6 months ago my youngest brother (their father) was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and he and his girlfriend (the boys' mother) recently split up after yet another fight, he had drunk too much and threatened suicide... All this in front of his two sons.

My brother/their father struggled with addiction and behavioural problems since he was a teenager and tried to commit suicide when he was in his early twenties, he nearly succeeded. He never finished high school due to his inability to maintain any sort of discipline. Inspite of all this he stil decided it was a good idea to procreate, especially in this case an extremely selfish decision imo. He claims he decided to have children in what he described as 'a manic state' (really, twice?). He loves his children I think but he's suicidal and speaks about this openly.

It's clear my two nephews will be affected by this horrible mess in some way and I hate it as they're perfectly innocent and don't deserve this. Their father's a mentally unstable wreck with an alcohol problem and a death wish (he's in a mental hospital as a voluntary patient) and their mother is a selfish bitch that can't be reasoned with and tries to exploit my brother's vulnerable state to get the better of the situation financially.

Today both of my nephews came to me for a hug. I tried to comfort them as best I could.

Obviously I'm just one of their uncles (they have quite a lot of other family-members) but the thought of hurting them by my death breaks my heart.

I wish I had done it before they were born or during the period they weren't really conscious of anyone. Clearly I had nothing to do with them coming into this world and I'm not responsible for them but I still feel an obligation towards them (ad minimum: do no harm). No to mention my other two nephews by my other brother (luckily his relationship with his girlfriend is stable), one of which is my godson. How could I have been so stupid to accept that responsiblity knowing full well I've suffered so much and always considered suicide an acceptable way out?

How the hell am I supposed to deal with this? I can live (oh the irony) with the knowledge of hurting my mother, other family-members and even my friends but these four young boys did nothing to deserve having to hear their uncle offed himself and having to deal with the fall-out of that. Imagine one of them ends up as fucked-up as me and thinks back on my death and decides it's a good idea...

I am truly and utterly fucked. I don't want to feel like a complete ass and a miserable moral failure if I do decide I need to leave this world. Which is my goddamn, bloody right as I didn't ask to be here, I didn't ask to suffer so much and I sure as hell didn't ask to be put in a situation where I have to choose between life and death.

I consciously decided never to have children even though this cost me the relationship with the love of my life, I did the right thing and I'm still fucked. Unless I manage to find a way to make life worth living again no matter how one looks at this someone is going to get screwed. Either me having to stay for having a stupid conscience or my nephews when I CTB... What a rotten, fucked-up, miserable world is this?

I can't describe how shitty this feels.

Is anyone in a similar situation? If so how do you deal with it?
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Started forming a bond with my five year old nephew but stopped myself when I realised what I was doing and what I planned to do in the future, so i stopped going to see my brother and have remedied the situation if the bond isn't strong then I feel it will help the situation, he is only five and and its out of sight out of mind with him, so i removed me from his sight.
 
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Sorry for your situation. I don't really have any good advice … I have nieces and nephews but we don't live close and hardly see each other.
They are old enough (Most of them) to know what suicide is though. :'(
 
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Yeah, I have a niece that I take care of from time to time, she describes me as the best uncle someone could wish for. Honestly I don't really want to hurt her along with other family members when I CTB. In a way I'm kind of jealous of people that don't really have family members, I can imagine it would be easier to CTB without worrying about hurting anyone.
 
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Yeah, I have a niece that I take care of from time to time, she describes me as the best uncle someone could wish for. Honestly I don't really want to hurt her along with other family members when I CTB. In a way I'm kind of jealous of people that don't really have family members, I can imagine it would be easier to CTB without worrying about hurting anyone.

I envy them as well. I just can't be here so I won't make other people miserable when I CTB.
I like this quote from Ricky Gervais:
"Being Dead is like being stupid, It's only painful for those around you" (This was something he said on Colbert or Fallon)

So I will trade one form of pain for another when I'm dead. :wink:

There is also this quote:
"Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.
The same applies when you are stupid."
 
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I never thought about my neice and nephew who I like when decided to ctb .
Maybe like readytogo said , go out of site gradually until they get used to you not being around .
That's what I'm doing already .
Cutting everyony out of my life/ my site - including those kids .

We're all gonna die any moment and they have to learn about death and how it separates people .

You can write a suicide note asking everyone to tell them you traveled overseas where there is no wifi :tongue:
or any other lousy lie until they're big enough to know that you just died - no suicide or cause of death has to be given away .
 
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WE ARE TOO AND I WANT TO KILL MYSELF AND HER BUT THEY KEEP TELLING ME I SHOULDN'T CAUSE THE KIDS DON'T DESERVE IT. FUCKIN BLOWS ASS.
 
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I'm sorry . I don't know what to say. It appears a bit complicated to me.I know how it feels. If everyone thinks the way you are thinking ( like you might hurt others), many on us wouldn't have been here today. Its a bit messed up place.. this world. It's just how the fate goes.. with very little left for our own to change. Have been through similar things.. my narcissistic father came to live with us when I turned 10. It's some messed up shit.
Sorry I could not give any better advice, I just hope , things will turn out in a good way for your nephews.
 
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I have a seven year old nephew. I hate that if I do it it's probably gonna leave a huge scar on him. When I think about it I feel like I'm getting suffocated cause it's another thing that makes me feel trapped in this life. I hate so much that I was born. I really struggle not to resent my parents for it. Cause like this there's only pain to be experienced by one person or the other. And my pain threshold is damn near reached.
 
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Hi

Started forming a bond with my five year old nephew but stopped myself when I realised what I was doing and what I planned to do in the future, so i stopped going to see my brother and have remedied the situation if the bond isn't strong then I feel it will help the situation, he is only five and and its out of sight out of mind with him, so i removed me from his sight.

Thanks for your reply. May I ask how your brother reacted when you stopped visiting them? I'm pretty sure if I stopped seeing my brothers and their children it would be a huge red flag and they'd insist I give an explanation.

Which would be hard to provide. Can't just come out saying 'I'm fucking tired of trying to be happy in this world when it fails time and time again so I'm ready to kick the bucket', can I?

Especially with my godson I can't just stay away without seeming like a giant a-hole and if I refused to see my two nephews who are in a difficult spot right now I would be adding to their pain.

This is an extremely difficult situation: I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't.
Sorry for your situation. I don't really have any good advice … I have nieces and nephews but we don't live close and hardly see each other.
They are old enough (Most of them) to know what suicide is though. :'(

Thank you for your empathy, I appreciate it. I doubt there's a good solution to this that won't leave at least one person heartbroken. Which sucks immensly.
Yeah, I have a niece that I take care of from time to time, she describes me as the best uncle someone could wish for. Honestly I don't really want to hurt her along with other family members when I CTB. In a way I'm kind of jealous of people that don't really have family members, I can imagine it would be easier to CTB without worrying about hurting anyone.

It seems like we're in the same boat. It would be much easier if there weren't any children involved. Adults should be able to take care of themselves and I don't believe I owe anyone anything (least of all staying alive when it's nothing but useless torture) but I have a huge soft spot for my nephews who won't be able to understand and who are perfectly innocent.
I'm sorry . I don't know what to say. It appears a bit complicated to me.I know how it feels. If everyone thinks the way you are thinking ( like you might hurt others), many on us wouldn't have been here today. Its a bit messed up place.. this world. It's just how the fate goes.. with very little left for our own to change. Have been through similar things.. my narcissistic father came to live with us when I turned 10. It's some messed up shit.
Sorry I could not give any better advice, I just hope , things will turn out in a good way for your nephews.

I wouldn't know what to say in this type of situation either. I'm fairly intelligent but I don't see a good solution to this problem. It's a catch-22.

Hurting others isn't the problem per se: hurting innocent children is. I couldn't care less about my parents or my brothers and my friends will probably understand and not suffer too much but my nephews don't deserve this and probably won't understand. I don't want to screw up their life.

I'm sorry to hear about your narcissistic father: mine was exactly like that. No care for everyone but himself and screwing up his own children (my other brother not mentioned in this thread is the only one who doesn't seem too affected by my parents ugly divorce) without any hint of regret. People like that deserve to be locked up in some kind of reservation with no-one to bother but other mentally defective a-holes like them. A taste of their own medicine so to speak.
I never thought about my neice and nephew who I like when decided to ctb .
Maybe like readytogo said , go out of site gradually until they get used to you not being around .
That's what I'm doing already .
Cutting everyony out of my life/ my site - including those kids .

We're all gonna die any moment and they have to learn about death and how it separates people .

You can write a suicide note asking everyone to tell them you traveled overseas where there is no wifi :tongue:
or any other lousy lie until they're big enough to know that you just died - no suicide or cause of death has to be given away .

Perhaps that would be a solution. Perhaps I should move to another city and break off all contact although that would be burning all bridges so if I would decide to give life one more try I could forget about ever seeing them again.
WE ARE TOO AND I WANT TO KILL MYSELF AND HER BUT THEY KEEP TELLING ME I SHOULDN'T CAUSE THE KIDS DON'T DESERVE IT. FUCKIN BLOWS ASS.

That it does.
I have a seven year old nephew. I hate that if I do it it's probably gonna leave a huge scar on him. When I think about it I feel like I'm getting suffocated cause it's another thing that makes me feel trapped in this life. I hate so much that I was born. I really struggle not to resent my parents for it. Cause like this there's only pain to be experienced by one person or the other. And my pain threshold is damn near reached.

I feel you. Included the feeling of suffocation and the bit about being born: so much trouble, grief and sorrow could have been avoided if my parents would have had the least bit of sense and realized they weren't fit to procreate.

Obviously I do resent my parents for bringing me into this mad world and even more so for fucking me up so badly. I really could have done with that.

If you think it might help to talk feel free to contact me.
 
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WE ARE TOO AND I WANT TO KILL MYSELF AND HER BUT THEY KEEP TELLING ME I SHOULDN'T CAUSE THE KIDS DON'T DESERVE IT. FUCKIN BLOWS ASS.

I just reread your post. Did you just say you want to kill someone-else? That's really not acceptable.
 
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My brother didn't react in anyway, we don't really get along for a number of years I talk to him through his wife. I told her that I'm to wrapped up with work and hospital appointments. I previously was living with them when I made my previous attempt and he didn't like that, he believes he could have gotten into trouble if the authorities thought it was assisted suicide, even though I left a note.
 
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Hi

My brother didn't react in anyway, we don't really get along for a number of years I talk to him through his wife. I told her that I'm to wrapped up with work and hospital appointments. I previously was living with them when I made my previous attempt and he didn't like that, he believes he could have gotten into trouble if the authorities thought it was assisted suicide, even though I left a note.

Thanks for your answer. I appreciate it.
 
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