Venting Too much pro life

[Life_and_Death]

"life is great"
"just do this.."

You can't even Google relatable quotes anymore without being completely flooded by "motivational" bs.

God, I want someone to tell me to just kms.
If I wanted to live at this point I would have. But I don't regret my attempts in the past.

 

[Lynx.]

I can't stomach motivational stuff nowadays. I could bother to listen a few years ago, but now to me it just seems like a mockery to the suffering of many.

All the self-help books and self-improvement motivation in existence cannot compensate for the world we are born and forced to live in - they will tell you that it's alright, that the wound of being alive will close some day, but at most it just stops hurting for a little while, only for it to open up again.

Talking of quotes, relating to this current topic, I've always drawn a bit of comfort for this one:

"As a philosophy, pessimism needs no defense. If anything needs a defense, it is life itself. And there is no shortage of defenders; it is enough to take a walk around any bookstore to see that there are entire sections dedicated to positivism and self-help. Thousands of books and millions of words that seek to convince us that happiness is possible, that success and well-being are in our hands. That we have power. That we can achieve what we want. That we can succeed and we can win at life, because life is good and worth living. Look closely at what they tell us: life can be won. It seems to me that, without realizing it, these optimists do nothing more than confirm what every pessimist already knows: that life requires effort and that it is a constant struggle and sacrifice; that it is a contest, a confrontation, something that must be won. On this point, Schopenhauer's sentence is overwhelming: if life was designed for our happiness, then it was poorly designed, because everything in life seems to shout loudly: death, pain, illness, sacrifice and endless struggle."

-Ignacio Moya Arriagada, Between Infinites (2021), introduction, p. 14

 

[voyager]

Yeah, know what you mean. I duckduckgo'd something a few days ago, wasn't even suicide specific, just in a broader sense and got the suicide helpline in bold at the top of the page independent from other results. It's just a little issue, but I find it insulting and infantilising, as if I was too deranged to even search for hotline if I needed one. What's more this society treats people like shit for the most part, but is then in one's face with this hypocritical pro-lifer virtuesig bullshit, but doesn't see the contradiction.

 

[ClownWorld2023]

Yeah, know what you mean. I duckduckgo'd something a few days ago, wasn't even suicide specific, just in a broader sense and got the suicide helpline in bold at the top of the page independent from other results.

I think this must have been recently added.

I don't recall something like this happening in the past.

 

[haibane]

This pro life society we are living in is truly disgusting, they are toxic enough to make us suffer so they can have a good conscience thinking they r helping us.
Its obvious that everyone should have the right to die peacefully without having to search a self made method for it.

 

[ClownWorld2023]

I think this must have been recently added.

I don't recall something like this happening in the past.

They even mention the "contributors" who were responsible for it.

 

[FuneralCry]

I cannot stand anything like that and I find it hard to take it seriously. That type of toxic positivity is just delusional and insensitive to me, I hate how it's pushed onto everyone, I despise how suicide isn't seen as a valid option despite the fact that this world is filled with endless suffering.

 

[immrw]

I recently saw a new therapist and all she could say was the "you never know what the future holds, tomorrow is always a brand new day"

except tomorrow is never a brand new day. it's a continuation of all the bullshit i've been dealing with for years. and i need to learn how to cope with the fact that there will always be some level of emotional and physical pain i face every day, for the rest of my life. and i need to learn how to see the good DESPITE those things. not foolishly hope it all might suddenly disappear. toxic positivity is spirit crushing

 

[Life_and_Death]

googles not enough
YOURE WORTH IT!!

is that what i googled? is that what i said?
jesus christ get out of my face!

 

[voyager]

Seriously? Google really seems the worst of the bunch then, just duckduckgo'd it and at least top answer is 149 synonyms and antonyms for "not enough" and others too.

Maybe it's your personal search history style? My browser deletes all cookies except my duckduckho (to not lose search settings) and account data on another site, but that's it.

 

[tiger b]

I gave it a go.

Not Enough is a a campaign by the National Autistic Society. That was the first meaningful response after a couple of synonym links. I got a link to a book by Naomi Klein (didn't she write No Code too, I dunno). I didn't see any candy floss positivity. Hurrah. But I'm not looking on the next page, just in case!

 

[Miku _fanboy101]

It's just a cycle over and over and over again is soo exhausting to even comprehend…….

 

[Abandoned Character]

"As a philosophy, pessimism needs no defense. If anything needs a defense, it is life itself. And there is no shortage of defenders; it is enough to take a walk around any bookstore to see that there are entire sections dedicated to positivism and self-help. Thousands of books and millions of words that seek to convince us that happiness is possible, that success and well-being are in our hands. That we have power. That we can achieve what we want. That we can succeed and we can win at life, because life is good and worth living. Look closely at what they tell us: life can be won. It seems to me that, without realizing it, these optimists do nothing more than confirm what every pessimist already knows: that life requires effort and that it is a constant struggle and sacrifice; that it is a contest, a confrontation, something that must be won. On this point, Schopenhauer's sentence is overwhelming: if life was designed for our happiness, then it was poorly designed, because everything in life seems to shout loudly: death, pain, illness, sacrifice and endless struggle."

Thanks for sharing this, the addition of Schopenhauer is especially poignant. I never really thought about life as a contest to win, but Arriagada makes a good point. Ultimately, those of us who have not yet resigned to suicide--the optimists--are still trying to prevail. Personally, I find the distate of this mindset unreasonable, just as an optimist may be repulsed by an open discussion of suicide. We speak about the reality of "toxic positivity," but what of "toxic negativity"? Does the latter notion exist, and if so what does it look like?

Of course, all this self-help and motivational "nonsense" has its sin, often becoming masturbatory and acting as yet another capitalist vehicle. I do not discount its entire existence, however, and based on what I see on this forum I seem to be in the minority. It's ego all the way down, man!

 

[tiger b]

It is a venting thread here, not a discussion - you can see that? Many people have had toxic positivity stuffed into their mouths unwillingly, as a panacea that will cure all. Do not be surprised if the notion will make some bilious.

I don't think it's as polarised as you might think. But there's a place to argue the toss and there's a place not to.

 

[𝗟𝗼𝗻𝗲𝗹𝘆]

It's so frustrating hearing this shit. Like maybe I'm not expecting anyone to tell me to go and ctb but I would expect them to try and understand instead f throwing their motivational speeches. Sure, life is great, not mine though, Suzy....

 

[Life_and_Death]

Seriously? Google really seems the worst of the bunch then, just duckduckgo'd it and at least top answer is 149 synonyms and antonyms for "not enough" and others too.

Maybe it's your personal search history style? My browser deletes all cookies except my duckduckho (to not lose search settings) and account data on another site, but that's it.

several years ago i could use the same search terms i use now and id get what i was looking for. over the years i watched the ratio of relatability to positivity change. google most likely censoring (at least in my country) because trust me, my search history hasnt changed much XD
apparently so much as relating to suicide is encouraging it

 

[voyager]

several years ago i could use the same search terms i use now and id get what i was looking for. over the years i watched the ratio of relatability to positivity change. google most likely censoring (at least in my country) because trust me, my search history hasnt changed much XD
apparently so much as relating to suicide is encouraging it

Hehe, yes, it is undoubtedly them, not just in this regard btw, but most of the big tech firms are constantly and actively censoring and trying to influence people's opinion. In a just world there would be a law preventing this and (for the American companies at least) the 1A enforced. This world is such a mess.

Ultimately, those of us who have not yet resigned to suicide--the optimists--are still trying to prevail {...} "toxic negativity" {...} I do not discount its entire existence, however, and based on what I see on this forum I seem to be in the minority.

You're not the first to say so. I too was an optimist once. In fact, I was probably one of the most carefree persons you'd ever meet, nothing got to me, until my mental health was shattered straight to the core at 16.5y. This attitude still helped me though over the struggle but after 25 years I finally resigned to my fate for good. I'm not broken, but done. There's plenty of others who feel the same.

The point here is how can there be toxic negativity when people are literally taking their lives based on these overwhelmingly negative experiences? Toxic positivity to me is usually not helpful and downright disingenuous trying to overplay a fact, whereas negativity does not. There is no way to sugarcoat such matters and I genuinely wonder why people hang around in the suicide section of the forum when they feel it affects them negatively?

 

[asian.neet]

"life is great"
"just do this.."

You can't even Google relatable quotes anymore without being completely flooded by "motivational" bs.

God, I want someone to tell me to just kms.
If I wanted to live at this point I would have. But I don't regret my attempts in the past.

Wait until you're in a psych ward they have the same platitudes PLASTERED EVERYWHERE

Your point stands though. Life is overrated.

googles not enough
YOURE WORTH IT!!

is that what i googled? is that what i said?
jesus christ get out of my face!

Big tech programmed search results relating to ctb shit to route users to the 988 crisis line or similar shit. It's disgusting fr.