Venting To be born is to be imprisoned in a system where your suffering is dismissed.

[Darkover]

To be born is to be imprisoned in a system where your suffering is dismissed,
where even the most basic right—to leave—is held hostage by those who claim to care.

The worst part of not wanting to exist is knowing that other people have power over whether you can leave. Laws, social expectations, and biological instincts all work together to trap you here. Even if you've made up your mind, society doesn't care. It tells you that your suffering isn't enough, that you must keep going for the sake of others, as if their feelings matter more than your pain.

It's suffocating to realize that your own life isn't fully yours. If you try to leave, people will intervene. They will call it help, but it's really just control—forcing you to keep playing a game you never wanted to be part of. You don't get a choice in being born, and when you decide you've had enough, that choice is stolen from you, too.

There's no dignity in being forced to endure suffering just because others say you should. They will say, "Things can get better," as if hope is a promise rather than a lie used to keep people in line. The world demands that you keep struggling, not because it cares about you, but because it needs bodies to keep everything running.

Wanting to leave is seen as a defect, as if it's unnatural to reject a life filled with pain, disappointment, and exhaustion. But what's truly unnatural is the idea that you must stay alive against your will, that you must justify your suffering while others get to dictate whether it's "bad enough" to warrant an escape.

It's a cruel system. And it's one you never agreed to.

There is no real autonomy in existence. From the moment you're born, other people make decisions for you—what you eat, where you live, what you believe. Even as you grow older, you are bound by expectations, obligations, and the fear of consequences if you stray too far from what society deems acceptable. But the most suffocating realization comes when you understand that even your right to leave is controlled by forces outside yourself.

You never consented to being born, yet you are expected to endure life no matter how much suffering it brings. If you express a desire to leave, you are met with resistance—not understanding, not support, just resistance. People call it "help," but what they really mean is control. They don't want to lose you, not because they care about your suffering, but because they fear the discomfort of your absence.

The world is built on the assumption that life is inherently valuable, that staying alive is always the right choice. But that assumption disregards the reality of suffering. It forces people to keep going, even when every day feels unbearable. It demands justification for wanting to leave but never requires justification for forcing someone to stay. Society punishes you for even considering escape—labeling you as unstable, selfish, or in need of correction. They put up barriers: legal, medical, and emotional, all designed to keep you trapped.

They tell you to hold on, that things might get better. But what if they don't? What if the years ahead are just as empty, just as painful? Hope is dangled like a carrot on a stick, an illusion to keep you moving forward, but never a guarantee of relief. And even if you could leave, you must do so in secret, hiding your intent like a criminal because others believe they have the right to interfere.

It is one of the cruelest contradictions: life is forced upon you without consent, yet you are denied the right to reject it. You are expected to endure for the sake of others, even when your suffering outweighs any conceivable joy. The decision to stay or go should belong to the individual, yet it is stolen, wrapped in layers of obligation, guilt, and imposed meaning.

 

[overidk]

exactly

 

[fallintotheshadows]

I appreciate you making this. This is very true and oh so unfortunate. People think also due to how society is that what you are doing for the person who is suicidal, is something good and heroic when yet they are actually making it worse for you because you see that they do not understand and instead have a savior complex. I wish Dr Kervorkian did not try to go to court without a lawyer because otherwise I think things may have been different when it came down to suicide

 

[Darkover]

I appreciate you making this. This is very true and oh so unfortunate. People think also due to how society is that what you are doing for the person who is suicidal, is something good and heroic when yet they are actually making it worse for you because you see that they do not understand and instead have a savior complex. I wish Dr Kervorkian did not try to go to court without a lawyer because otherwise I think things may have been different when it came down to suicide

If you prevent people from committing suicide but do not alleviate their suffering, you are trapping them, not saving them.
You should prevent their suicide by alleviating their suffering.

Suicide prevention is just the lazy option, instead of actually tackling the big issues that cause it. It's a total cop out from society!
I often wonder what will happen, if a perfectly peaceful method emerges that is impossible for government / society to control or restrict? Imagine something you grow in your back garden, that no government can prevent… like cyanide or something but more peaceful.
Then governments would actually have to take the problems seriously and try improve the broken aspects of society and people's lives…
It's a bit like the climate crisis. Society is only now taking it seriously, because they have no choice and are forced to do so.

 

[L'absent]

Exactly. The mistake isn't just in the imposition of existence, but in the arrogance with which it's defended at all costs, as if it were a gift rather than an obligation. Society forces life upon you without consent and then assumes the right to decide when and how you can leave. If you choose to stay, no one asks for an explanation, but if you want to leave, you must justify yourself, you must prove that your suffering is "enough" to deserve an exit.
The paradox is that those who want to keep you here aren't motivated by love or understanding, but by discomfort. The discomfort of your absence, the unease of accepting that someone has chosen to stop playing, the terror of looking in the mirror and wondering if maybe their own insistence on staying is truly a choice—or just fear of admitting that hope is an overrated concept.
They say life is sacred, but in reality, it's just monopolized. Control over one's own existence should be the most basic right, yet it's the most restricted. Society clings desperately to the idea that living is always better than not living because admitting otherwise would mean acknowledging that suffering outweighs the presumed value of experience. And so, the solution is simple: pretend that those who want to leave are sick, unstable, deluded. Label them, isolate them, re-educate them. As if the problem isn't reality itself, but how we perceive it.
But that's not the case. Reality is exactly as you describe it: a game played without consent, with rules imposed by those who refuse to accept that someone might simply want to stop playing. And the most absurd part? Even if everyone saw through the illusion, nothing would change. Because society isn't built on truth—it's built on the need to sustain the illusion.
And that's exactly what makes your threads so valuable. Every word you've written deeply resonates with what I think. It's rare to find someone who can articulate with such clarity this prison of obligations disguised as freedom, this imposed existence masquerading as a gift. The way you dismantled the illusion of "sacred life" is masterful, and the saddest part is that most people wouldn't even be able to grasp such a thought without feeling threatened by it.
But that's the reality: society doesn't want to save you, it wants to keep you. Not because it cares about your suffering, but because the mere fact that someone chooses to leave cracks its fragile system of beliefs. They shackle you with words like "hope," "resilience," "the value of life," but beneath it all, there's only control, pure and simple. And the fact that you can describe it with such clarity is something I deeply respect.
I genuinely enjoy reading your threads. Every day, I look forward to finding one, and once again, you haven't disappointed me. Keep it up.

I often wonder what will happen, if a perfectly peaceful method emerges that is impossible for government / society to control or restrict? Imagine something you grow in your back garden, that no government can prevent… like cyanide or something but more peaceful.

It would be the end for the suicide containment bodies. It would completely implore the blackmail power of the state and the prison guards - the common people -.