Discussion To Atheist and Theist, do you think this is the best argument against the existence of god? (abrahamic religion theists specifically)

[uwushhdjwiio]

Im sorry to literate mfs i only made this with chatgpt, i dont have enough words in my vocabulary and im not very articulate, but i made this idea, chatgpt just helped me formulate it

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The Formal Argument from Suffering in a Designed Moral System

Premises:

1. If God exists, He is traditionally defined as omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful), and omnibenevolent (all-good).
2. An all-powerful God could create any possible world — including one without brutal suffering, without violating free will.
3. An all-knowing God would foresee the exact consequences of every possible world He could create.
4. An all-good God would prevent unnecessary or unjustified suffering, especially among innocents.
5. God allegedly designed our minds — including our moral intuitions and emotional responses — to see suffering as evil, and pleasure as good.
6. The actual world contains widespread, extreme, and unjustifiable suffering — both moral (caused by agents) and natural (caused by design).
7. Therefore, God intentionally created a system where:
   • He programmed us to feel suffering as evil,
   • He populated the system with it anyway,
   • And He expects us to trust Him based on a morality He himself designed — while violating it constantly.

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Conclusion:

Therefore, the traditional concept of God is either:

• Logically incoherent (self-contradictory),
• Morally indefensible (cruel or manipulative),
• Or nonexistent.

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Bonus Observation:

If believers claim "we can't understand God's plan", they cannot also claim "God is good."
Because "goodness" itself was designed into our brains — by the same God who now tells us not to trust it.

That collapses the entire moral framework of theism.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I absolutely agree with your arguments and conclusion. It's what makes me hope sincerely that there isn't a God. I simply can't square this world with a good God being responsible for it.

I know one counter argument is the existence of choice and free will. I think freedom is incredibly important in a 'good' world. However, I agree with you. Why even create the possibilty that an adult could feel sexually attracted to a child for instance? Just to see whether they can resist it? That's a huge risk with a possibly catastrophic outcome!

Plus, some creatures literally have no choice. Parasitical creatures have been designed so that, the only way they can survive is to feed off another- often maiming or killing the other. It's surely a special kind of evil that comes up with that. Forcing one creature to hurt, maim and kill another in order to survive.