Discussion Thoughts on CTB being a "temporary problem"

[WhatIsMyPurpose]

Hey everyone, I'm new here. I've been lurking on these forums for a few months and decided to finally make an account. Not gonna lie, I'm fairly buzzed right now and thought I'd share something on my mind as an introduction of sorts. I am pretty quiet both on and off the internet, so it usually takes a couple drinks to get my thoughts on paper.

I think what attracted me to this forum in particular is not only your guys' kindness and authenticity, but particularly the fact that people discuss CTB and their emotions about the subject without a filter. Most of the time on the internet whenever CTB comes up, the kneejerk reaction is to just post hotline phone numbers. Although I appreciate the gesture, it gets tiring when that's all you see; and sadly, I can't help but think it's disingenuous when people just post hotlines. It kinda feels like the regular people out there don't really understand what we're going through.

I was thinking about this commonly used quote today: "[CTB] is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." Well, that argument doesn't really make any sense when your life is a continuum of overlapping temporary problems! My thinking is like "why not just end the cycle of problems with CTB?"

My entire life has been a series of temporary problems and yearning for the greener grass on the other side. Then, regardless of whether or not I get there, more problems come up, and often times they're worse than the ones I had before. It feels like I'm not really cut out for what life has in store for us.

Anyway. Good to be here.

 

[Wayfaerer]

The whole "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" shtick is based on a big assumption. These people don't know shit about me or my problems. They act as if this saying is applicable to someone terminally ill as it is about some emo teenager.

 

[_Kaira_]

"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"

Ah yes. A quote among many quotes that sound so condescending and invalidating.
Bravo to anyone who says this, you just used a popular way to make the suicidal feel even sh*ttier about their lives!


In other news, welcome to one of hell's pitstops, OP. (Seriously though, I love the people here)

 

[PointlessStruggle]

The whole "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" shtick is based on a big assumption. These people don't know shit about me or my problems. They act as if this saying is applicable to someone terminally ill as it is about some emo teenager.

Yeah the people like this just come off as patronizing to me

 

[demuic]

You can tell that anyone who genuinely says that quote has no idea what they're talking about. Don't respect them at all.

 

[muffin222]

I definitely don't believe that suicide is always a permanent solution to a "temporary" problem. In my personal situation, my problems fall far beyond the realm of temporary. I was abused and neglected from the young age of 6, causing my personality to fragment into different pieces and my young brain to not develop as it should have had I not experienced trauma during my formative years.

Abuse in childhood can and does rewire the brain in extremely negative ways and sets a person up for an increased risk of mental illness plus a wide array of physical health problems in adulthood. By my teenage years, I'd been diagnosed with depression and anxiety with OCD. I know many other members on here suffer similar fates.

Before then, at age 11, I was self harming and talking about suicide. Years later as an adult, I'm in therapy now for PTSD on top of the other mental illnesses I've had to endure. Don't even get me started on my autism and how it shapes every aspect of my life as well.

My problems are certainly not temporary- I've suffered continuously for 17 years; I see no reason to believe that my symptoms and pain will magically dissipate with the passage of time.

Sadly, some problems are not temporary, despite what pro-life rhetoric tries to condition us to believe. Even my therapist says that my flashbacks, self-fragmentation, self-worth issues, and negative trauma-based thought processes will never fully vanish; they've morphed into a permanent fixture of my psyche. In other words, permanent damage. Such is the case for some people.

Now, permanent damage doesn't negate the possibility of profound growth and transformation, of course. But, the prospect of continuing to walk a path of immense suffering and anguish for the possibility of learning to "cope" with the damage and pain may not seem worth the hassle to a lot of people. It certainly doesn't feel worthwhile to me most of the time. Hearing my problems written off as "temporary" frustrates me to no end.

I know this drifted into a long rant, but I have a lot of thoughts on this topic Thanks for opening up this dialogue

 

[NodusTollens]

My entire life has been a series of temporary problems and yearning for the greener grass on the other side. Then, regardless of whether or not I get there, more problems come up, and often times they're worse than the ones I had before. It feels like I'm not really cut out for what life has in store for us.

Welcome, we're a lovely band of misfits here.

I share your sentiment about feeling like you're not cut out for this life. Things just keep getting harder & harder, it's exhausting.

 

[Ghost2211]

My problem is permanent, so a permanent solution seems logical.

 

[StringPuppet]

I tend to like permanent solutions and dislike temporary problems so pro-lifers aren't helping when they say that , at least not in the way they think they are

 

[color_me_gone]

You will not find a nicer group of people anywhere else in the internet.

 

[Aeathelina]

It irks me because the issues that are pushing me to suicide aren't temporary unless I hit the fucking lotto or get a sugar daddy. Some issues are too much and not everyone is strong enough to overcome them or have access to proper resources.

 

[I want to end it]

Permanent solutions are needed for temporary problems, otherwise the problems keep resurfacing and end up becoming permanent problems.

 

[FatalSystemError591]

someone said this in another thread, I cropped it to send it to someone outside of this forum so I didn't include where it was from.

 

[illbeinthegarage]

hello fellow rick and morty related user

 

[Deleted member 23774]

I definitely don't believe that suicide is always a permanent solution to a "temporary" problem. In my personal situation, my problems fall far beyond the realm of temporary. I was abused and neglected from the young age of 6, causing my personality to fragment into different pieces and my young brain to not develop as it should have had I not experienced trauma during my formative years.

Abuse in childhood can and does rewire the brain in extremely negative ways and sets a person up for an increased risk of mental illness plus a wide array of physical health problems in adulthood. By my teenage years, I'd been diagnosed with depression and anxiety with OCD. I know many other members on here suffer similar fates.

Before then, at age 11, I was self harming and talking about suicide. Years later as an adult, I'm in therapy now for PTSD on top of the other mental illnesses I've had to endure. Don't even get me started on my autism and how it shapes every aspect of my life as well.

My problems are certainly not temporary- I've suffered continuously for 17 years; I see no reason to believe that my symptoms and pain will magically dissipate with the passage of time.

Sadly, some problems are not temporary, despite what pro-life rhetoric tries to condition us to believe. Even my therapist says that my flashbacks, self-fragmentation, self-worth issues, and negative trauma-based thought processes will never fully vanish; they've morphed into a permanent fixture of my psyche. In other words, permanent damage. Such is the case for some people.

Now, permanent damage doesn't negate the possibility of profound growth and transformation, of course. But, the prospect of continuing to walk a path of immense suffering and anguish for the possibility of learning to "cope" with the damage and pain may not seem worth the hassle to a lot of people. It certainly doesn't feel worthwhile to me most of the time. Hearing my problems written off as "temporary" frustrates me to no end.

I know this drifted into a long rant, but I have a lot of thoughts on this topic Thanks for opening up this dialogue

What you said totally resonates with me. I've been through my own personal hell since childhood.

 

[muffin222]

What you said totally resonates with me. I've been through my own personal hell since childhood.

I'm so sorry. No child deserves to be mistreated, neglected, and unloved to the extent that it causes this type of damage. But, it happens so often and the perpetrators go unpunished

 

[fly away]

Hi, new here...have been lurking and finally got up the nerve to post. The phrase "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" is taught to most crisis and hotline counselors in the US. As someone who has been scared, depressed and suicidal from the age of 11 (I'm now 59), I've heard that line over and over. At one point in my life, I worked as a Suicide Hotline Counselor. During training, I tried to discuss how invalidating that line is to someone desperate enough to call in, but the staff just didn't get it. If you haven't felt the hopelessness and desperation of wanting to CTB, you just can't relate. If my 48 yrs of hell is only temporary, when is it considered permanent? Needless to say, I didn't last long as a Crisis Counselor.
Just wanted to say how glad I am to have stumbled onto this site, so helpful and needed

 

[cytokinestorm]

I'm 50 now and I've been suicidal since I was 14. If I'd have had the opportunity to take a painless and none frightening way out I'd have taken it long ago.

My life hasn't improved since I was 14 and I've had more than enough many times over. Has living been worth the pain? No. People who try to tell others they have to keep on living are sadistic as far as I'm concerned.

 

[CoalmineCanary]

"Suicide is .....temporary....blah, blah."

me: "I'm cutting my losses."

It's a low effort post but I think I wrote something that might be of value last week.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-a-temporary-problem.53554/page-3#post-977466

I'm sorry. Just burnt out.






Just for future reference.... Does this topic come up once a week or something? Can this question just be directed to an editorial or something? Thanks in advance.