daley

daley

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I watched this thoughtful video from a channel called School of Life, which is both helpful and depressing.
It says something that is pretty obvious to most of us, that we need to adopt illusions in order to live, and forget the truth.
So it is depressing, but taking this seriously might help. I am certainly have been trying to do some of these things
before I saw the video (e.g., "We have to keep being excited about buying new things.... We have to keep going travelling...").

I know some will say this is stupid, but as long as we are alive, I believe we should strive to be as happy as possible,
and I don't see how it is possible without forgetting such truths.

 
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executioner1983

executioner1983

death is sustainable
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I like to call it mental gymnastics
 
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I watched this thoughtful video from a channel called School of Life, which is both helpful and depressing.
It says something that is pretty obvious to most of us, that we need to adopt illusions in order to live, and forget the truth.
So it is depressing, but taking this seriously might help. I am certainly have been trying to do some of these things
before I saw the video (e.g., "We have to keep being excited about buying new things.... We have to keep going travelling...").

I know some will say this is stupid, but as long as we are alive, I believe we should strive to be as happy as possible,
and I don't see how it is possible without forgetting such truths.


I don't think it's about forgetting the negative. I think it is about focusing on the positive.

The way I see it is that our bandwidth is really finite. Think about all the things on this Earrh we can be happy and unhappy about. That's a whole ton of shit. Imagine that's a gigantic line full of positive and negative experiences—let's be honest, this line is gigantic. However, our human bandwidth is tiny as hell. We only can think one thing at a time. Imagine how tiny of a fraction that is of the entire gigantic line I asked you to imagine earlier. You'd never be able to finish the line either. The point of me saying this is: you'll never be able to see the truth because the truth is so fucking huge to process. The reality is life is always a generalization because you can't think about everything all the time.

If you have a finite bandwidth, you might as well try to look at more positive than negative things and fight against our instincts, of which we are heavily wired to love negativity. Sad monkey was an alive monkey—that's why we're alive the way we are. There's so much I can't say in one post. I just will say that there is a path to contentment. I do not use the word happiness because that is a fleeting emotion. I mean contentment.
 
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cherrylace

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lots of humility involved..
 
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Edouard

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I've been thinking about this kind of thing a lot recently.

Looking back, it seems like there were a lot of times when if I'd believed something untrue but optimistic, I might have been able to kickstart a virtuous cycle.
  • If I believed my school/uni work was good enough I would have just submitted it, instead of procrastinating until I came up with something perfect, and submitting nothing, and failing.
  • If I believed I was smart enough for my job, I would have been more motivated to work hard and ask for help, and less crippled by feelings of incompetence. Instead I thought about how stupid and incapable I was, and hid from everyone and never improved, and anxiously waited to be fired.
  • If I believed I was normal looking, I wouldn't have been ashamed to go to the gym or buy nice clothes, or experiment with different hairstyles, and I probably would have looked a lot better than when I started. When ordinary-looking people liked me I wouldn't have wondered what was wrong with them, and when pretty people paid attention to me maybe I wouldn't have got so stupidly obsessed. Instead I stayed weak, my clothes stayed cheap and worn, and my hair stayed messy. I turned down relationships that would have been healthy for me and I stayed obsessing over people who were unattainable and uninterested.
  • If I believed my health issues were both solvable and nothing to be ashamed of, I would have addressed them more diligently, instead of giving up and letting them get worse.
The problem is that none of those beliefs were really true.
  • I really wasn't a top-tier student and I'm really not smart or diligent enough for academia.
  • I'm really not as smart as the vast majority of my coworkers.
  • I really do have a plain face and a weirdly-shaped body, and a few strikingly abnormal features.
  • I really do have health problems that most people my age don't, and which are not necessarily curable.
...and it was totally obvious to me that they weren't. It's only now, much later, that I can entertain the possibility that things might have been different, if only I'd acted differently. And maybe things can still even be different now (I doubt it), but I won't know until it's too late again.

Martin Seligman has written that depressed people tend to appraise reality more accurately than happy people, but that it is precisely this accuracy that leads them to take none of the chances that can lead to genuine happiness. He suggests (I'm very loosely paraphrasing) that the reason CBT works is not because it gets people to think more accurately about the world, but because it provides them a pathway into fooling themselves in productive ways.

I've mostly lived a very isolated life, but as I've got to know people a little better over the past few years it has shocked me how generous their appraisals of themselves are, how confident they can be despite having little to be confident about, and how often their attitudes end up paying off for them. As to whether it's possible or desirable to live that way... I don't know.
 
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