Discussion There is no dumb reason to CTB

[ForestGhost]

Sorry if this is just sleep deprived word vomit, I'm pretty out of it right now, but to me it seems like there's no truly dumb reason to CTB.

If you want to CTB, it's either for a significant reason or not.

If you want to CTB for a significant reason, well, I think we can all agree that it's justified.

If it's not for a significant reason, then being suicidal over that thing is basically evidence of severe mental illness. And severe mental illness is itself a valid reason to be suicidal, as long as you've taken a stab at trying to get treatment I guess.

I've been stewing over this because sometimes I feel dumb for the things that make me most depressed. But it's really not those petty things but my fucked up brain that's the problem.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I think some people are less resilient than others, and it's not always about mental illness.

 

[gothbird]

No, there's not really a dumb reason to CTB. But there are reasons that are temporary, or treatable, or tied to shit that could shift with time, meds, therapy, or just the grind of surviving a few more years. That doesn't mean your pain isn't real—it just means some exits are maybe worth postponing to see if the tunnel opens up. Especially if you've never taken a serious swing at fixing what's wrong.

That said, mental illness and physical illness by itself can absolutely be reason enough. If your own brain and/or body becomes the cage, and you've tried everything you can try, and it's still hopeless? That's valid. No one else lives inside your skull. No one else knows the cost of staying.

But yeah. I've seen people want to CTB over losing a job, or getting dumped, or flunking out. And part of me wants to shake them and go, "Wait. That's survivable! That's not the end!" Because I've lived through that stuff and came out fine. But that's the key part: I came out fine. Someone else might not. Someone else's brain might turn that into a permanent spiral.

And either way—it's not up to us to rank whose pain gets to exit.
People choose when they're done. We don't get to rewrite that.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't see why voluntary death would even need a reason, I don't see why it'd need to be justified as after all this existence was imposed in the first place and death will happen anyway whether there is a reason behind it or not, for me personally there is no illness in wanting death, I just want peace instead of being burdened with this existence of futile unnecesary suffering I never would had chosen in the first place, for me non-existence is all that's positive and is all I hope for.

I only see non-existence as desirable, I'll always see existence as the most terrible tragic mistake that just causes harm and suffering and if I cease existing I cannot suffer in any way, this existence was so tragically imposed so I should be able to peacefully free myself from it whenever I wish to. I see no benefit, point and value to being burdened with this existence just to die in agony from old age suffering all for the sake of it with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, to me existence really is an abomination and I see it as the most terrible tragedy how I was forced into this existence at all when never suffering was perfection, it's horrific to me how a human can suffer for so long.

 

[Halfhourdays]

Sorry if this is just sleep deprived word vomit, I'm pretty out of it right now, but to me it seems like there's no truly dumb reason to CTB.

If you want to CTB, it's either for a significant reason or not.

If you want to CTB for a significant reason, well, I think we can all agree that it's justified.

If it's not for a significant reason, then being suicidal over that thing is basically evidence of severe mental illness. And severe mental illness is itself a valid reason to be suicidal, as long as you've taken a stab at trying to get treatment I guess.

I've been stewing over this because sometimes I feel dumb for the things that make me most depressed. But it's really not those petty things but my fucked up brain that's the problem.

What are reasons typically considered "not dumb"? I would imagine something like cancer would be a reason most would agree is reasonable.

Many here have a mental illness. Do you condone suicide for schizophrenia, autism, etc.?

And either way—it's not up to us to rank whose pain gets to exit.
People choose when they're done. We don't get to rewrite that.

Actually, a ranking of reasons from "most valid" to least might be helpful.

 

[gothbird]

What are reasons typically considered "not dumb"? I would imagine something like cancer would be a reason most would agree is reasonable.

Many here have a mental illness. Do you condone suicide for schizophrenia, autism, etc.?

Actually, a ranking of reasons from "most valid" to least might be helpful.

Nah, I get why you'd think that might help but it wouldn't.

There's no universal metric for what counts as a "valid" reason to CTB. What wrecks one person barely touches another. Some people survive homelessness, assault, addiction, decades of pain—and still stay. Others get dumped once and spiral so hard they never recover. It's not about the event. It's about the brain reacting to it.

Trying to rank reasons creates a hierarchy that does nothing but shame the people already closest to the edge. It turns survival into a contest. "You want to die over this? Well, someone else lived through worse." That's not helpful. That's guilt dressed up as logic.

And let's be real—no one CTBs because of one thing. It's always a build-up. Even when it looks like a single trigger, it's a house made of years of rot that finally collapsed. You can't rank that.

If someone's in enough pain to want out, the reason is already big enough for them.

 

[Halfhourdays]

Nah, I get why you'd think that might help but it wouldn't.

There's no universal metric for what counts as a "valid" reason to CTB. What wrecks one person barely touches another. Some people survive homelessness, assault, addiction, decades of pain—and still stay. Others get dumped once and spiral so hard they never recover. It's not about the event. It's about the brain reacting to it.

Trying to rank reasons creates a hierarchy that does nothing but shame the people already closest to the edge. It turns survival into a contest. "You want to die over this? Well, someone else lived through worse." That's not helpful. That's guilt dressed up as logic.

And let's be real—no one CTBs because of one thing. It's always a build-up. Even when it looks like a single trigger, it's a house made of years of rot that finally collapsed. You can't rank that.

If someone's in enough pain to want out, the reason is already big enough for them.

Fair enough, but the list could acknowledge all that.