Therapists all giving me conflicting information.

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I've seen a few therapist of all types this year and every single one of them has told me the exact opposite of the other and i'm so fucking confused.

Therapist 1: Every single one of my problems is because i'm not straight, the only way i'll ever get better is by talking to people specialised in gay stuff about gay stuff.
Therapist 2: Every single problem in my life is because i'm transexual and the only way i'll ever get better is by accepting that and doing whatever surgeries and stuff (I'm not even trans, i just look like a girl and like cute stuff).
Therapist 3: All my problems are due to a personality disorder they won't explain what it is or why I have it, but every single think i think, feel and want is wrong, i'll only get better if I fully change how i see things to fit how they want me to see things, and if i cant find by myself what they want me to think, it's just that i dont want to figure it out. Also every single thing is my fault. Every. Single. Thing.
Therapist 4: My personality is fine, the not straight stuff isnt an issue, i just kinda need a bit of help with my depression and social anxiety to finally be able to get back into doing stuff, i should get better someday if i just force myself to do stuff i really dont want for maybe longer than i want to.

What am I even supposed to do with any of this. Also being currently blackmailed into continuing to see therapist 3, who just makes me want to kill myself even more, who quite often just straights up bully me for my appearance when not telling me everything i know is wrong... Really motivating me to get better when no matter who i listen to i'm gonna be told i'm wrong.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

Oh anon I have chatted to you before about this and it is truly sad that you are being obviously misguided and expected to trust authority which is based on opinion rather than empiricism. I have noticed this myself without the homosexual element myself with therapists.
I suggest you treat this like you would watching the news from multiple biased sources and piece it together and eliminate the rubbish.
1 and 2 are trying to pink pill you or something of the sort as they genuinely ascribe a lot of the ills of people to being in the closet.

I know we cannot be unbiased observers of ourselves but it can certainly help to learn about mental health for our own good when it comes to these situations.
You strike me as intelligent and a free thinker it is evident and I will not mention why that does not matter but I mention it as I feel you need to think a little of what makes the most sense.
Could it not be a mixture of 3-4?
A PD if you have it is serious and pervasive but we can also benefit from trying to learn to deal with our anxiety and depression and tehrapy usually does this anyway when you try to deal with a PD.

Obviously I do not know you but given that I know you are privy to some of the elements of the web I am if you were really gay or trans you would not give a shit about what people think it sounds like it is harder to be a cute trap that is not homo than being trans.
Those first two are verging on conversion therapy which is not surprising if you know about the political climate etc shrinks are under.

 

[mikenoir]

That's why I am wary of them.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

Oh anon I have chatted to you before about this and it is truly sad that you are being obviously misguided and expected to trust authority which is based on opinion rather than empiricism. I have noticed this myself without the homosexual element myself with therapists.
I suggest you treat this like you would watching the news from multiple biased sources and piece it together and eliminate the rubbish.
1 and 2 are trying to pink pill you or something of the sort as they genuinely ascribe a lot of the ills of people to being in the closet.

I know we cannot be unbiased observers of ourselves but it can certainly help to learn about mental health for our own good when it comes to these situations.
You strike me as intelligent and a free thinker it is evident and I will not mention why that does not matter but I mention it as I feel you need to think a little of what makes the most sense.
Could it not be a mixture of 3-4?
A PD if you have it is serious and pervasive but we can also benefit from trying to learn to deal with our anxiety and depression and tehrapy usually does this anyway when you try to deal with a PD.

Obviously I do not know you but given that I know you are privy to some of the elements of the web I am if you were really gay or trans you would not give a shit about what people think it sounds like it is harder to be a cute trap that is not homo than being trans.
Those first two are verging on conversion therapy which is not surprising if you know about the political climate etc shrinks are under.

I'd also think it would probably be a mix of 3 and 4, but sadly 3 completly refuses to help me with my depression/anxiety in anyway shape or form, and I sadly ran out of sessions with 4 :/ The best part about the pink pill and gay stuff is that not only am i not in the closet (i dont have a specific identity since i think most of the ones available are weird and confusing, but let's just go for whateverlookslikeagirlsexual) and ive never been bullied by anyone exept therapists for it ._.

 

[mikenoir]

I'd also think it would probably be a mix of 3 and 4, but sadly 3 completly refuses to help me with my depression/anxiety in anyway shape or form, and I sadly ran out of sessions with 4 :/ The best part about the pink pill and gay stuff is that not only am i not in the closet (i dont have a specific identity since i think most of the ones available are weird and confusing, but let's just go for whateverlookslikeagirlsexual) and ive never been bullied by anyone exept therapists for it ._.

So you're saying they just assumed you weren't straight.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

sadly 3 completly refuses to help me with my depression/anxiety in anyway shape or form,

I did not mention but they seem kind of shit to be honest.
Is it possible to see both 3 and 4 at same time and get depression and anxiety help from one and PD help from the other?
I imagine not because of costs.

>bullied by therapists for not being trans gay when cute
earth 2020 anon

You are yourself and your label is whatever name you go by or character you cosplay!
We do not need to worry about all this confusing stuff and if others enjoying boxxing themselves in let them but it makes no sense to me either hence I do not use a label.
Have you tried to read the skill workbooks for your PD at all and CBT stuff for anxiety and depresso?
I would just ignore the first two kek

So you're saying they just assumed you weren't straight.

essentially they did it is not a new thing with OP and his mental health "professionals"

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I've already read a bunch of stuffs for anxiety/depression, i mostly just needed help amongst the lines of ''here's a place to volunteer/hang out where there's usually people your age and it's not too stressfull'' to like, put in practice the things ive learn and face the anxiety more head on, but instead they kinda just tell me weird shit lol.

Best thing is that not only did they assume im not straight, they immediatly thought i was a girl, then that I was a trans, then that I was a gay male, then they kinda just ended up being confused and sending me to see even more therapists lol. Or the new therapists assuming that im a violent transexual gay maniac narcissist because... I own collectible firearms, look like a girl and dress nicely. The canadian mentalhealth system in all it's glory.

 

[mikenoir]

I've already read a bunch of stuffs for anxiety/depression, i mostly just needed help amongst the lines of ''here's a place to volunteer/hang out where there's usually people your age and it's not too stressfull'' to like, put in practice the things ive learn and face the anxiety more head on, but instead they kinda just tell me weird shit lol.

Best thing is that not only did they assume im not straight, they immediatly thought i was a girl, then that I was a trans, then that I was a gay male, then they kinda just ended up being confused and sending me to see even more therapists lol. Or the new therapists assuming that im a violent transexual gay maniac narcissist because... I own collectible firearms, look like a girl and dress nicely. The canadian mentalhealth system in all it's glory.

That would be like a parody of mental health services. Did you actually never just tell them that you weren't gay, trans, or a girl?

 

[hoping to lose hope]

I've already read a bunch of stuffs for anxiety/depression, i mostly just needed help amongst the lines of ''here's a place to volunteer/hang out where there's usually people your age and it's not too stressfull'' to like, put in practice the things ive learn and face the anxiety more head on, but instead they kinda just tell me weird shit lol.

Best thing is that not only did they assume im not straight, they immediatly thought i was a girl, then that I was a trans, then that I was a gay male, then they kinda just ended up being confused and sending me to see even more therapists lol. Or the new therapists assuming that im a violent transexual gay maniac narcissist because... I own collectible firearms, look like a girl and dress nicely. The canadian mentalhealth system in all it's glory.

>thought I was a girl
Must be very kawii!

Sounds like the help you hope to receive in terms of finding where to go and be near people who are not stressful (good luck with normalfags) is something you have to find yourself.
Cute anon all I can say is I sincerely hope you are not paying for all of this and the fact that even if it is "free" the taxpayers are is sad.
Sorry for having a lil giggle at the absurdity of the situation!

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I told them *several* times that i'm not gay or trans, they basically went ''yeah but, you look like a girl, you must be trans !'', and anytime i said or did something that isn't like, parody manly they'd just go ''SEE SEE, THAT'S FEMININE, YOU MUST ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE A GIRL''. Or anytime i talked about wanting a girlfriend they'd go ''You mean, boyfriend ?''.It genuinly feels like someone accidentally hired the Pythons as health ministers and now we're stuck with absurdist shenanigans.

Worry not about having a bit of a giggle at it, even I find it quite funny in a way lol. Especially the being mistaken for a girl part, i go at the hospital, give them my manly name, give them my insurance card that states that i'm a man right on it, and yet i'm still call Ma'am by the receptionist, it's hard to not laugh at how much of a massive meme it is.

 

[sadworld]

I told them *several* times that i'm not gay or trans, they basically went ''yeah but, you look like a girl, you must be trans !'', and anytime i said or did something that isn't like, parody manly they'd just go ''SEE SEE, THAT'S FEMININE, YOU MUST ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE A GIRL''. Or anytime i talked about wanting a girlfriend they'd go ''You mean, boyfriend ?''.It genuinly feels like someone accidentally hired the Pythons as health ministers and now we're stuck with absurdist shenanigans.

Worry not about having a bit of a giggle at it, even I find it quite funny in a way lol. Especially the being mistaken for a girl part, i go at the hospital, give them my manly name, give them my insurance card that states that i'm a man right on it, and yet i'm still call Ma'am by the receptionist, it's hard to not laugh at how much of a massive meme it is.

That's actually quite impressive... To be honest, being a bit feminine as a male is something really good in my opinion and something I have always liked. I'm sure you would be a good friend :3

 

[hoping to lose hope]

anytime i talked about wanting a girlfriend they'd go ''You mean, boyfriend ?''.

This is actually quite disturbing because it is clear that other vulnerable young men and woman are being pushed to make an identity choice that they may well not agree with.
I think this is serious and if you could be bothered a letter or two to whoever is in charge could do something (rotten from the top though).

Have you discussed this with the other therapists and had their opinion?
It is really spooky to be honest.
Can we just all go back to enjoying flash animation and flash games instead of being so political as we are now.
Makes me sad I do not fit in and I cannot imagine how you would feel.

Can I ask if you have friends online or offline (I am not trying to initiate contact do not worry).
Oh dear what will anon do? your therapists should not be leaving you more confused.

 

[mikenoir]

I told them *several* times that i'm not gay or trans, they basically went ''yeah but, you look like a girl, you must be trans !'', and anytime i said or did something that isn't like, parody manly they'd just go ''SEE SEE, THAT'S FEMININE, YOU MUST ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE A GIRL''. Or anytime i talked about wanting a girlfriend they'd go ''You mean, boyfriend ?''.It genuinly feels like someone accidentally hired the Pythons as health ministers and now we're stuck with absurdist shenanigans.

Worry not about having a bit of a giggle at it, even I find it quite funny in a way lol. Especially the being mistaken for a girl part, i go at the hospital, give them my manly name, give them my insurance card that states that i'm a man right on it, and yet i'm still call Ma'am by the receptionist, it's hard to not laugh at how much of a massive meme it is.

Lol. "So, you wanna be a therapist?". "Yep." "So, do you have a PhD, Master's degree, or at least a high school diploma?". "Nope, driver's license all I got". "Hired. You're on minimum wage from now on."

 

[hoping to lose hope]

Lol. "So, you wanna be a therapist?". "Yep." "So, do you have a PhD, Master's degree, or at least a high school diploma?". "Nope, driver's license all I got". "Hired. You're on minimum wage from now on."

The problem is that it is a largely unscientific field which is open to change of even what is an illness based on public opinion.
Psychologists are often tools of politics and I am unsure they are even fully aware of this themselves.

 

[mikenoir]

The problem is that it is a largely unscientific field which is open to change of even what is an illness based on public opinion.
Psychologists are often tools of politics and I am unsure they are even fully aware of this themselves.

I think it's just some incompetents. I don't mean to cast aspersions on the entire profession. But, you know...

 

[hoping to lose hope]

I think it's just some incompetents. I don't mean to cast aspersions on the entire profession. But, you know...

The entire field will be reinvented possibly many times over before it becomes credible to be called a science.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I'm glad to see at least people here can appreciate femboys uwu !
I'm genuinely worried about how many more vulnerable people have been pushed towards dumb shit thanks to the therapist's weird political nonsense, one of my autistic friend suddenly started talking about being trans out of nowhere after they went to see a therapist. Couldve been they were too shy to talk about it or something but it seemed a bit... out of nowhere and out of character to me.
I have a handful of irl friends, but they sadly all live quite far, a few pretty good online ones i game with from time to time.

Mikenoir, you're not that far from the truth on that one, the therapist that kept bothering me with trans stuff has no study or experience in psychology, they just hired her because she worked as a secretary and they kinda just so happened to need both a therapist and secretary at the same time ._. One of the other (actually fairly nice and competent) kinda just stumbled into the job and they hired her because she seemed nice, no related experience or study, she's a photographer that used to work part time at an hospital as some sort of secretary.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

I have said this before so many times in other threads: if your therapist is making you suicidal, DROP THEM. Immediately and with no explanation. Maybe even report them if you have the time and energy (which they don't deserve).
You are the client, you (or your insurer) shouldn't pay for you to be bullied.

 

[mikenoir]

I'm glad to see at least people here can appreciate femboys uwu !
I'm genuinely worried about how many more vulnerable people have been pushed towards dumb shit thanks to the therapist's weird political nonsense, one of my autistic friend suddenly started talking about being trans out of nowhere after they went to see a therapist. Couldve been they were too shy to talk about it or something but it seemed a bit... out of nowhere and out of character to me.
I have a handful of irl friends, but they sadly all live quite far, a few pretty good online ones i game with from time to time.

Mikenoir, you're not that far from the truth on that one, the therapist that kept bothering me with trans stuff has no study or experience in psychology, they just hired her because she worked as a secretary and they kinda just so happened to need both a therapist and secretary at the same time ._. One of the other (actually fairly nice and competent) kinda just stumbled into the job and they hired her because she seemed nice, no related experience or study, she's a photographer that used to work part time at an hospital as some sort of secretary.

Yeah well that's when I wish that it was all just actually a parody. Btw, do they happen to work for the government?

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

I think all these therapists suck. And suck hard.

You shouldn't hear from a therapist what your issue is. You come to them with an issue or feeling and he or she should help you refine it, define it and guide you where you want to go. A therapist can offer tools to help, a listening ear and even exercises to assist but he or she should NOT be setting the agenda.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I can't drop the therapist sadly enough, they seized my guns and if I ever want to have them back (or at least have them back in a year instead of 5) i'm stuck dealing with them. I could technically get another therapist, but there's several months of waiting lists, if i can even get one, so it's not really a good option. And as a collector/restorator/hunter/targetshooter i um well... you know... would reallllllllllly like them back as fast as possible, especially since i was working on some of them as they took them away.

It does feel like a parody lol, i've started to take a ''might as well make it fully fuckign absurd'' approach to dealing with it. And yes, the 2 unqualified ones do indeed work for the government, although be it via a ''public service'' thing and not directly under the government, but they get funding from the provincial governement and report to them.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

I'm glad to see at least people here can appreciate femboys uwu !

Well cute anon is not degen posting and is based!

I'm genuinely worried about how many more vulnerable people have been pushed towards dumb shit thanks to the therapist's weird political nonsense, one of my autistic friend suddenly started talking about being trans out of nowhere after they went to see a therapist.

It is the biggest and possibly one of the most soon to be devastating social memes there have been.
One only needs to put on their critical thinking hat neko ears and look at the statistics for transgender male and females then compare them to the cluster phenomenon to think,
oki doki maybe this is a contagious meme hmmm looks like it is ^__^

the therapist that kept bothering me with trans stuff has no study or experience in psychology, they just hired her because she worked as a secretary and they kinda just so happened to need both a therapist and secretary at the same time

How is this a thing I really hope you are meming me as that is not ok at all.
One of us could likely do a better job than her.
Someone who does not even have a hobby interest in psychology and some understanding of the field can work as a therapist?
I thought counsellors were the lowest on the totem pole and required the least training but this... wow.

How very depressing.
Post made by TERF gang :3

 

[mikenoir]

Well cute anon is not degen posting and is based!

It is the biggest and possibly one of the most soon to be devastating social memes there have been.
One only needs to put on their critical thinking hat neko ears and look at the statistics for transgender male and females then compare them to the cluster phenomenon to think,
oki doki maybe this is a contagious meme hmmm looks like it is ^__^

How is this a thing I really hope you are meming me as that is not ok at all.
One of us could likely do a better job than her.
Someone who does not even have a hobby interest in psychology and some understanding of the field can work as a therapist?
I thought counsellors were the lowest on the totem pole and required the least training but this... wow.

How very depressing.
Post made by TERF gang :3

I definitely do not want to get surgery in the part of the world that OP is from. xd

 

[hoping to lose hope]

I definitely do not want to get surgery in the part of the world that OP is from. xd

Not sure of canadian surgeons but the point I have been trying to make is that we cannot conflate doctors with psychologists and psychiatrists.
INB4 psychiatrists are technically doctors.
What is happening to OP is eqaully likely nearly anywhere in the west but of course op is in cucknadia.

 

[mikenoir]

I can't drop the therapist sadly enough, they seized my guns and if I ever want to have them back (or at least have them back in a year instead of 5) i'm stuck dealing with them. I could technically get another therapist, but there's several months of waiting lists, if i can even get one, so it's not really a good option. And as a collector/restorator/hunter/targetshooter i um well... you know... would reallllllllllly like them back as fast as possible, especially since i was working on some of them as they took them away.

It does feel like a parody lol, i've started to take a ''might as well make it fully fuckign absurd'' approach to dealing with it. And yes, the 2 unqualified ones do indeed work for the government, although be it via a ''public service'' thing and not directly under the government, but they get funding from the provincial governement and report to them.

And I don't get why they seized your guns just like that if you have a record of using them for legitimate purposes?

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

your therapists are so bad, I'm sorry
femboys are cute and preferable imo, a man with feminine looks or mannerisms has always been my type, there's nothing wrong with that. it doesn't make you secretly a girl to deviate from gender norms either, lot of assumptions they're making about your identity for you, smh

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I wish theyre were as many femboy friendly people irl than there is here, my life would be a lot less miserable uwu

Na, i don't have a history of using my guns for illegitimate purposes, it's just standart protocol here that the second someone calls the cops on you for whatever vague ''mental health'' reason, your guns are seized and it might take up to 5 year to get them back. No investigation is done, it's instantly seized and you have to wait a minimum of 90 days to get them back even if it was a troll. And you might be thinking ''but wouldnt someone with bad intention or who wants revenge very easily be able to completly ruin your career if you work in the gun industry or at the very least completly ruin a season of competitive target shooting or hunting ?'' And yes ! It happens very, very, very, very, very often, even happened to a few guys i know. So often in fact that there's a law firm almost entirely dedicated to dealing with that. It's sadly fairly expensive and not really worth it for what i do right now.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

stay strong leaf

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm glad to see at least people here can appreciate femboys uwu !

I appreciate femboys. I'm a big fan, used to be one of them before I transitioned... like 3 years ago. It seems to be some kind of gateway into trans culture honestly - obviously that doesn't apply to all of them but there is a lot of overlap between those cultures. I talked to so many femboys that transitioned during the last few years, it's insane. So I kinda understand where your therapist is coming from but they are misinformed and they shouldn't push a trans diagnosis on you. Some femboys eventually discover their trans identity and transition, many don't.

I'm active on some femboy-related Discord servers myself because I identify strongly with their culture. Hugs to you!

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I appreciate femboys. I'm a big fan, used to be one of them before I transitioned... like 3 years ago. It seems to be some kind of gateway into trans culture honestly - obviously that doesn't apply to all of them but there is a lot of overlap between those cultures. I talked to so many femboys that transitioned during the last few years, it's insane. So I kinda understand where your therapist is coming from but they are misinformed and they shouldn't push a trans diagnosis on you. Some femboys eventually discover their trans identity and transition, many don't.

I'm active on some femboy-related Discord servers myself because I identify strongly with their culture. Hugs to you!

I've also personally seen quite a few people go from femboy to trans, it's usually where people first try out feminine stuff and find out that mayyyyyybe they like it a bit more than they thought lol. My therapists didn't even know what femboy/traps are though, i had to explain the entire concept to them... they're kinda just massive boomers.