Discussion [Theory] People are against suicide because 'it makes them feel uncomfortable'

[TAW122]

From years of observation and experiences with people as well as reading reactions from people online (various other forums, articles, webpages, social media, etc.), I have arrived at one of the main reasons as to why people are against suicide so much. This includes the people that they don't know or aren't close to (non-close acquaintances and strangers). It is not so much that the said person is directly negatively impacted by said suicidal person's death, but by the manner of said death and the feeling of discomfort (for the survivors and bereaved).

Part of this stems from society and cultural influences that death is always bad, religion, and also a bit of governmental pressure too (the government needs it's citizens alive albeit miserable to pay taxes and keep the 'shitty' societal machine running). In nature, death is a part of life and it is accepted as such. Animals don't question or just feel uncomfortable when one of them own dies (barring a few species that is), but just move on.

With that said, the irony is that people are ok with cutting others out of their life, through exclusion of said suicidal person from social functions, social media (blocking, deleting, ignoring/ghosting, and omitting), and even going about life as if that suicidal person doesn't exist (a ghost). So in a metaphorical sense, the suicidal person is effectively dead to that said person. The said person cutting said suicidal person out of his/her life is effectively killing the suicidal person (not literally or physically) and is perfectly ok with doing that. Yet when said suicidal person CTBs, suddenly that person (who would have blocked out said suicidal person), is suddenly bothered and uncomfortable. Therefore, it is not that they are bothered by the person's death specifically, but by the manner of said suicidal person's death (CTB/suicide). If said suicidal person had not died by CTB/suicide, but another cause, sure the surviving person/bereaved would be sad for death, but not as uncomfortable.

Another similar example, is that suppose if said person did not know of suicidal person, then there would have been no sadness or hostility towards that said suicidal person, because of non-existence. It never existed or came to be to begin with. Also, another way to see it is ignorance is bliss as if that suicidal person was never known to said person, then said person could not ever be sad due to lacking knowledge of the existence of suicidal person.

It's amazing how much intellectual dishonesty and mental gymnastics NPCs go through to justify/rationalize themselves and more shockingly, their inability to be honest with themselves (lacking self-awareness) as well as their double standards and hypocritical ways of going about life.

Let me know what you guys think and whether you see another angle to this.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I don't understand calling the person who suicides a target person. This implies intent toward that person. What is the intent? If someone doesn't know them and is unaffected by their death, they're not a target.

 

[puppy9]

Nice observation there. You're on point. To sum it up (for me), so that they can sleep well at night. It's weird that most people are view CTB as the worst thing in life, and willing to stop it at any cost. But there's a sense of apathy when it comes to genocide, child labor, environmental decline, hunger, war, etc. If only people were fervent as their pro life approach with the subject mentioned, the world probably be a bit better.

I don't understand calling the person who suicides a target person. This implies intent toward that person. What is the intent? If someone doesn't know them and is unaffected by their death, they're not a target.

I'm not sure. Probably a target of the action of suicide. A suicidal (target) person. Sorry English is not my first language, and I often confuse with words though.

 

[TAW122]

Nice observation there. You're on point. To sum it up (for me), so that they can sleep well at night. It's weird that most people are view CTB as the worst thing in life, and willing to stop it at any cost. But there's a sense of apathy when it comes to genocide, child labor, environmental decline, hunger, war, etc. If only people were fervent as their pro life approach with the subject mentioned, the world probably be a bit better.

I'm not sure. Probably a target of the action of suicide. A suicidal (target) person. Sorry English is not my first language, and I often confuse with words though.

Yes, this is correct and I will edit my post to make it clearer. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[lostangel]

Interesting read. I like how you mentioned they would have no problem cutting suicidal people out their life. But I think it's a reason but not the main reason. As you said for nearly all of human existence death has been perceived as bad and that is why I think suicide is looked down upon.

 

[TAW122]

Interesting read. I like how you mentioned they would have no problem cutting suicidal people out their life. But I think it's a reason but not the main reason. As you said for nearly all of human existence death has been perceived as bad and that is why I think suicide is looked down upon.

I think (and this is just my guess only) that even before religion and the concept of an afterlife is imagined of conceived, humans are much closer to actual animals, and with all living things like other animals, we all have an SI (survival instinct) which is something innate within us that deters us from things that we perceive dangerous and/or could result in death. From the SI, it is possible that is a big influence on our view of how death is bad (even though it is a part of life).

 

[LADY007]

From years of observation and experiences with people as well as reading reactions from people online (various other forums, articles, webpages, social media, etc.), I have arrived at one of the main reasons as to why people are against suicide so much. This includes the people that they don't know or aren't close to (non-close acquaintances and strangers). It is not so much that the said person is directly negatively impacted by said suicidal person's death, but by the manner of said death and the feeling of discomfort (for the survivors and bereaved).

Part of this stems from society and cultural influences that death is always bad, religion, and also a bit of governmental pressure too (the government needs it's citizens alive albeit miserable to pay taxes and keep the 'shitty' societal machine running). In nature, death is a part of life and it is accepted as such. Animals don't question or just feel uncomfortable when one of them own dies (barring a few species that is), but just move on.

With that said, the irony is that people are ok with cutting others out of their life, through exclusion of said suicidal person from social functions, social media (blocking, deleting, ignoring/ghosting, and omitting), and even going about life as if that suicidal person doesn't exist (a ghost). So in a metaphorical sense, the suicidal person is effectively dead to that said person. The said person cutting said suicidal person out of his/her life is effectively killing the suicidal person (not literally or physically) and is perfectly ok with doing that. Yet when said suicidal person CTBs, suddenly that person (who would have blocked out said suicidal person), is suddenly bothered and uncomfortable. Therefore, it is not that they are bothered by the person's death specifically, but by the manner of said suicidal person's death (CTB/suicide). If said suicidal person had not died by CTB/suicide, but another cause, sure the surviving person/bereaved would be sad for death, but not as uncomfortable.

Another similar example, is that suppose if said person did not know of suicidal person, then there would have been no sadness or hostility towards that said suicidal person, because of non-existence. It never existed or came to be to begin with. Also, another way to see it is ignorance is bliss as if that suicidal person was never known to said person, then said person could not ever be sad due to lacking knowledge of the existence of suicidal person.

It's amazing how much intellectual dishonesty and mental gymnastics NPCs go through to justify/rationalize themselves and more shockingly, their inability to be honest with themselves (lacking self-awareness) as well as their double standards and hypocritical ways of going about life.

Let me know what you guys think and whether you see another angle to this.

Anyone who attacks people for defending self deliverance hasn't been a prisoner in a nursing home. Staff is overworked and the person in the bed has no hope of freedom. Amazing how the attitude wood change.

 

[Never Free]

From years of observation and experiences with people as well as reading reactions from people online (various other forums, articles, webpages, social media, etc.), I have arrived at one of the main reasons as to why people are against suicide so much. This includes the people that they don't know or aren't close to (non-close acquaintances and strangers). It is not so much that the said person is directly negatively impacted by said suicidal person's death, but by the manner of said death and the feeling of discomfort (for the survivors and bereaved).

Part of this stems from society and cultural influences that death is always bad, religion, and also a bit of governmental pressure too (the government needs it's citizens alive albeit miserable to pay taxes and keep the 'shitty' societal machine running). In nature, death is a part of life and it is accepted as such. Animals don't question or just feel uncomfortable when one of them own dies (barring a few species that is), but just move on.

With that said, the irony is that people are ok with cutting others out of their life, through exclusion of said suicidal person from social functions, social media (blocking, deleting, ignoring/ghosting, and omitting), and even going about life as if that suicidal person doesn't exist (a ghost). So in a metaphorical sense, the suicidal person is effectively dead to that said person. The said person cutting said suicidal person out of his/her life is effectively killing the suicidal person (not literally or physically) and is perfectly ok with doing that. Yet when said suicidal person CTBs, suddenly that person (who would have blocked out said suicidal person), is suddenly bothered and uncomfortable. Therefore, it is not that they are bothered by the person's death specifically, but by the manner of said suicidal person's death (CTB/suicide). If said suicidal person had not died by CTB/suicide, but another cause, sure the surviving person/bereaved would be sad for death, but not as uncomfortable.

Another similar example, is that suppose if said person did not know of suicidal person, then there would have been no sadness or hostility towards that said suicidal person, because of non-existence. It never existed or came to be to begin with. Also, another way to see it is ignorance is bliss as if that suicidal person was never known to said person, then said person could not ever be sad due to lacking knowledge of the existence of suicidal person.

It's amazing how much intellectual dishonesty and mental gymnastics NPCs go through to justify/rationalize themselves and more shockingly, their inability to be honest with themselves (lacking self-awareness) as well as their double standards and hypocritical ways of going about life.

Let me know what you guys think and whether you see another angle to this.

This is very much blocked by the psychiatric system now, which is sanctioned by the government, and actually increases suicide, in their efforts to prevent it. Place filled with sanctioned human rights violation, and ridden with abuse by people who know they can get away with it, because who's going to believe a "crazy person" over an MH "professional". Even when these abuses are caught on camera, there is often no real consequences. Even when there are deaths by giving patients drugs, as they protest "please don't give me that drug am allergic", and "please don't give me that drug, it almost killed me last time" as they are held down, and injected. Then they refuse to act till the patient is blue in the face, unconscious, before calling for help. Only when it's too late, they realize they were telling the truth about the allergy, and were not faking a reaction.

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

I agree with your points but I'm not sure it's that simple. I believe there are religious and biological factors at play as well. Many religions revere life as a sacred gift. Biologically, species have a natural desire to survive. The notion of choosing death runs counter to both of these ideals which are so deeply engrained. As such, if someone is suicidal, something must be wrong with them. I think this is the mindset of most of the world.

 

[Ybother]

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I agree with your points but I'm not sure it's that simple. I believe there are religious and biological factors at play as well. Many religions revere life as a sacred gift. Biologically, species have a natural desire to survive. The notion of choosing death runs counter to both of these ideals which are so deeply engrained. As such, if someone is suicidal, something must be wrong with them. I think this is the mindset of most of the world.

And suicide suggests that maybe life Isn't so great after all.

 

[Never Free]

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And suicide suggests that maybe life Isn't so great after all.

great point, about people's internal struggles, and fears around suicide. They fear, what if I want to end my life someday? Also the fear of freedom. Not wanting the risks, or the rewards of true freedom. "The right to swing my fist, so long as it doesn't hit your nose". Though, self proclaimed libertarians have spoken to, like to dance around, and excuse why they are force sectioning suicidal people. They play mental gymnastics.

 

[TAW122]

Anyone who attacks people for defending self deliverance hasn't been a prisoner in a nursing home. Staff is overworked and the person in the bed has no hope of freedom. Amazing how the attitude wood change.

Yes, this is my understanding with nursing homes and those who are in palliative care. As far as people being there and changing their attitude, it's a crapshoot because some people are just adamantly opposed to self deliverance, especially the devoutly religious and/or fanatical pro-lifer (secular humanist).

This is very much blocked by the psychiatric system now, which is sanctioned by the government, and actually increases suicide, in their efforts to prevent it. Place filled with sanctioned human rights violation, and ridden with abuse by people who know they can get away with it, because who's going to believe a "crazy person" over an MH "professional". Even when these abuses are caught on camera, there is often no real consequences. Even when there are deaths by giving patients drugs, as they protest "please don't give me that drug am allergic", and "please don't give me that drug, it almost killed me last time" as they are held down, and injected. Then they refuse to act till the patient is blue in the face, unconscious, before calling for help. Only when it's too late, they realize they were telling the truth about the allergy, and were not faking a reaction.

This is why being labelled as a "crazy person" or someone not of sound mind, mentally incompetent, etc. is even worse than being a suspected criminal of a heinous crime. The difference is that albeit both scenarios/situations are bad to begin with, the suspected criminal of a heinous crime at least has presumption of legal innocence in the court of law (but not in the court of popular opinion, though that's a different story) until proven guilty in said system by a group of peers via the jury. Also, the psychiatric system is really evil based on what you've described and while I don't endorse violent or illegal acts, it does not surprise me if/when a select few patients decide to take matters into their own hands (as they are alone, society has failed them, their family or loved ones (if they have any), the legal system, and the medical system (being corrupt as they are).

I agree with your points but I'm not sure it's that simple. I believe there are religious and biological factors at play as well. Many religions revere life as a sacred gift. Biologically, species have a natural desire to survive. The notion of choosing death runs counter to both of these ideals which are so deeply engrained. As such, if someone is suicidal, something must be wrong with them. I think this is the mindset of most of the world.

Yes, the combination of the religious influence as well as the innate human nature (and just about all living organisms) of the survival instinct just makes death seem like a bad option to the majority of the species. Only those who are self-aware, able to think objectively and critically can see that death is not necessarily a bad situation as all life ends in death at some point in the future; it's just a matter of how, when, where, rather than if. I believe that if there is to be substantial change, there would be to an major shift from religious influence as well as enough rational, self-aware people who are able to think objectively and critically so that the notion of death being a choice isn't necessarily a negative, but could be a neutral, natural part of existence. When or if that happens is just dependent on how humanity progresses. If we continue advancing in the way we are in certain countries, then it's possible good progress can be made; however, if we go back to the old ways, then even then, it would not move in the right direction.

They fear, what if I want to end my life someday? Also the fear of freedom. Not wanting the risks, or the rewards of true freedom. "The right to swing my fist, so long as it doesn't hit your nose". Though, self proclaimed libertarians have spoken to, like to dance around, and excuse why they are force sectioning suicidal people. They play mental gymnastics.

That's a good point there, being afraid of the rewards of true freedom (as well as it's implications) and not wishing to take risks. As for the last part, yes, this is true even with the left leaning part of the spectrum, they are really permissive when it comes to many issues in society and even reasonable, yet when it comes to the ultimate act of freedom and most fundamental right, the right to self-determination even self-deliverance, their logical mind and permissive attitude wanes and they get very illogical and hypocritical. I've too also noticed the mental gymnastics done by said "libertarians" and even liberals themselves. I don't plan on voting for either as they both don't support the right of self-determination, self-deliverance.

 

[whywere]

Totally agree, point on. When everyone around me found out I was suicidal, I was and am 100% shut out and off from them. Damn dumb people.

 

[TAW122]

Totally agree, point on. When everyone around me found out I was suicidal, I was and am 100% shut out and off from them. Damn dumb people.

Yeah, it's ironic that the very same people who wants someone to open up and/or reach out are oftenly the first ones or later ones who shut down, dismiss, invalidate, or worse, even take action against said person. It's done all under the guise of 'help' which is mostly to stroke their egos and avoid being uncomfortable.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

We are scared of unknown, it's not the death or suicide that makes one uncomfortable it's the unknown that's followed.
If you are in a dark room with no visibility you start freaking out subconsciously the same principle applies to death.