Venting the status of homeless people in the US, and in defense of CTB as a means of staying off the streets

[Not A Fan]

Note: this doesn't have much a point to it and is basically just a disjointed rambling opinionated outburst. But I bet I'm not the only person here to go down this thought hole...

Many jurisdictions within the United States are outright hostile towards homeless people. The US Supreme Court just presented a big shiny new weapon for various cities' "Wars on Homeless People."

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/28/nx-s1-4992010/supreme-court-homeless-punish-sleeping-encampments

It's interesting. People have no problem with all manner of awful treatment of the homeless. Cite them, arrest them, re-locate them, institutionalize them, saddle them with legal fees and criminal records, chase them out of town, kick them while they sleep, pay them to fight each other on camera, treat them like pestilent animal vermin, deny them access to toilets only to bemoan the presence of exposed human feces, and so on and so forth, lamenting their parasitic existence which is such an inconvenience and eyesore to the civilized among us, why should we have to spend money on their food stamps and medical treatments and houses... (but never any complaints about the $40,000+/year it costs to house one prison inmate... that is seen as a worthwhile investment.

And yet if someone just says, "I don't want to be homeless. I want to CTB instead." Then all hell breaks loose, you're a hazard to yourself and others and must be restrained and punished for even saying the wrong word. It just doesn't seem right. If you are going to back homeless people into such a corner, and then not even condone them voluntarily opting out from the hellish conditions they have been forced into... that just seems like so over-the-top sadistic I have a hard time even believing a person/people could be so knowingly vicious (obviously slightly in denial then.)

If you're seriously going to only offer the majority of people the choice between: (1) sub-poverty full-time wage slavery, and (2) homelessness... it's not much different than any other situation where an animal realizes it is cornered with no possibility of escape.



Yes, I plan on ending my life in order to avoid being homeless (among many other equally good reasons). If one's priorities in life include "avoiding egregious pointless suffering," then this is the obvious, rational and gentlest choice.

 

[dragonofenvy]

And yet if someone just says, "I don't want to be homeless. I want to CTB instead." Then all hell breaks loose, you're a hazard too yourself and others and must be restrained and punished for even saying the wrong word. It just doesn't seem right.

This is something I never got either. People hate them so much yet if they (or someone who's about to become homeless) want to just be free of it all there's outrage at it. Why? They call them a waste of space and resources, so let them not waste space and resources if that's what they want to do.

 

[Timothy7dff]

CTB > Homelessness

Everyone dies eventually.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Felt and heard. Afraid of this outcome for myself very soon and I am panicking because I do not have a good way out.

 

[avalonisburning]

Why?

We live in a society of double standards, because it's just easier for the average person to draw arbitrary lines in the sand on a case-by-case basis than it is for them to maintain a comprehensive and holistic worldview with routine debugging for internal logical conflicts.

Humans are flawed. Nothing we do makes any sense. Best to not think about it too hard. It will only lead you to dead ends.

 

[Edpal247]

I saw a lot of this last 8 months. Was staying in a nasty hotel. 2 killings,2 ctb. Sad and pointless not even a good place to ctb - I know, tried partial there.

 

[untothedepths]

This makes my blood boil, probably because I was homeless for a portion of my childhood to always living in poverty even in the US of Ass. When you are that rock bottom you legitimately have nowhere to go. You need an address to get a job, but you need a job to get an apartment - so right out the gate you're fucked unless someone decides to help you significantly. This filthy, loathsome, shit eating country I live in doesn't care about anyone but the rich and any wars they can stick their fucking imperialistic dicks into. People says its not the worst but let me put it like this: It's going to get a lot worse rapidly and it'll only be bliss for a portion of those living there. You know, like any corrupt shithole. Simultaneously love my country and want what is best for it, but alas, I have zero power. I forget what someone said to me exactly but they said in a jist "Look at how a country treats its people, all of them, it will be a reflection for things to come."

Sorry, back on topic. Honestly, at this point, since we don't really give a shit about our fellow man then we can't we CTB peacefully then? It should be CHOICE ONLY of course but at this point I'm convinced the fuckers running the show love to see people suffer.

 

[Timothy7dff]

Even worse is when you've been homeless, picked yourself up by your bootstraps, scraped a life together and some deep state Nazi piece of shot makes destroying your life their own personal vengeance.

I get why people don't want to help others. I don't get why any human being would torture another human being. Lot of evil going around these days. Maybe it was always there, but people these days seem to be proud of their evil.

 

[rebelnow111]

ive been homeless its unbearable sometimes. it could so easily be fixed and everybody could have housing , but the people who run the system want homeless to continue as a way of keeping people down and under thier control.

 

[BlockHammer]

I think they just want to safe face so the people on your country doesn't get labeled as a pro suicide becasuse you know that word had a bad stigma around them.

Well for homeless in my country, we didn't treat them too harsh but we do return them to their village, regareless i agree that it's better to ctb than being homeless

 

[Justnotme]

Fuck, what a stupid and duplicitous world this is...

Society: You're using our resources, we won't support you!
Man: Okay, I agree, I don't like this kind of life myself, I don't owe anyone, I don't have to live, so it would be better for you if you helped me die. And I will stop wasting your resources.
Society: No! You can't think about suicide! You have to live because everyone says you have to live. And it doesn't matter if you like it or not!

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

I feel this. Running out of money and homelessness is all I think about. I won't be around to see that happen and if it does i'm in a state with a large homeless community so I know their camps are destroyed. Looking forward to just finding a way out knowing there are bridges and oceans.

 

[Daryl72]

Note: this doesn't have much a point to it and is basically just a disjointed rambling opinionated outburst. But I bet I'm not the only person here to go down this thought hole...

Many jurisdictions within the United States are outright hostile towards homeless people. The US Supreme Court just presented a big shiny new weapon for various cities' "Wars on Homeless People."

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/28/nx-s1-4992010/supreme-court-homeless-punish-sleeping-encampments

It's interesting. People have no problem with all manner of awful treatment of the homeless. Cite them, arrest them, re-locate them, institutionalize them, saddle them with legal fees and criminal records, chase them out of town, kick them while they sleep, pay them to fight each other on camera, treat them like pestilent animal vermin, deny them access to toilets only to bemoan the presence of exposed human feces, and so on and so forth, lamenting their parasitic existence which is such an inconvenience and eyesore to the civilized among us, why should we have to spend money on their food stamps and medical treatments and houses... (but never any complaints about the $40,000+/year it costs to house one prison inmate... that is seen as a worthwhile investment.

And yet if someone just says, "I don't want to be homeless. I want to CTB instead." Then all hell breaks loose, you're a hazard to yourself and others and must be restrained and punished for even saying the wrong word. It just doesn't seem right. If you are going to back homeless people into such a corner, and then not even condone them voluntarily opting out from the hellish conditions they have been forced into... that just seems like so over-the-top sadistic I have a hard time even believing a person/people could be so knowingly vicious (obviously slightly in denial then.)

If you're seriously going to only offer the majority of people the choice between: (1) sub-poverty full-time wage slavery, and (2) homelessness... it's not much different than any other situation where an animal realizes it is cornered with no possibility of escape.

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Yes, I plan on ending my life in order to avoid being homeless (among many other equally good reasons). If one's priorities in life include "avoiding egregious pointless suffering," then this is the obvious, rational and gentlest choice.

Very well said. This is powerful and makes so much sense, just wish more people thought this way.

 

[kyhoti]

This is right where I sit now. Just paid for this week at the motel, and that's the end of my funds. I thought I would have a little more time, but whatever. I have one more package coming from an internet store, and my kit will be ready. I really wanted to see my birthday this year, not sure why, but it's looking like a pretty slim chance.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

This is something I never got either. People hate them so much yet if they (or someone who's about to become homeless) want to just be free of it all there's outrage at it. Why? They call them a waste of space and resources, so let them not waste space and resources if that's what they want to do.

I think a lot of people want to believe that we have a lot more compassionate and egalitarian systems than we actually do, the idea that some people can't be saved is a highly disturbing and uncomfortable idea to most, even if they regard those worse off than them with obvious disdain.

Many people (if their beliefs sway heavily towards the notion of individual responsibility rather than collectivism) blame the homeless for their own misfortune with no logical reason to back it up, often the same argument is repeated time and time again as if it were tried and true- that a person makes bad decisions, leading to homelessness, and their circumstances are down to the matter of making poor choices. Therefore, it follows that they have a pittance of sympathy towards the homeless because their belief system is that those who are sleeping rough CHOOSE that path, even though no human on this earth in their right mind wants to sleep on the streets with no security.

I think people with that mindset inherently believe that every homeless person can pick themselves up by the bootstraps, get some support finding stable employment and cheap housing, then get back on their feet. But it's always someone else's problem. Everyone I know always thinks there's going to be a homeless charity eventually that will magically whisk them all away and sort their lives out, and if that doesn't happen it's due to "laziness" and a lack of tough love rather than the resources not existing, or the person being so destroyed mentally and physically that they cant retain employment.

Perhaps, they don't want to help the homeless, but they also can't stomach the thought that some people are in dire straights to the point where they'd consider yearning for death instead. It's paradoxical.