Discussion the possibility of an existing afterlife (spiritual one) hinders my ctb plans

[_Minsk]

the possibility of an existing afterlife has stopped me from ctb quite a few times..

i have experienced hallucinations and altered states of consciousness quite often,
i find it very unlikely that all these nde experiences (light tunnel, meeting 'angels/soul-beings',
peaceful/ecstasy like feeling,..) are just the byproduct of oxygen deprivation..

if this common scheme is just an hallucination, where does it come from?
i mean it would have to be saved in our brains, but it makes no sense, hallucinations are random, not like this..

i never experienced a nde but it cant be just a hallucination, hallucinations aint like this..
all these similar experiences must be real, at least thats what the people who nearly died
are convinced of.. but if there is something, what might be the reason for this life?

i dont believe in the bible or jesus or even hell, but this small chance of an existing after life
has hindered me quite often from continuing my ctb plans..

maybe we are here to experience and learn how to love, but this makes not much sense to me..
if an afterlife exists, i wonder why we are here then ..

does someone has already found any reasons, or reasons on why an afterlife doesnt exist?
thanks!

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Ultimately, nobody can say for sure if there is or isn't. No legitimate documentatation of what happens after a living being passes, therefore It comes to a risk you have to take when and if the time comes.

 

[bananas39]

I can say that I was on life support for 9 days, and had 2 drug OD that my heart stopped and I never saw anything. Idk if that means I'm going to hell (if there is one) or if there isn't afterlife. Borrowed from Google, "Lack of oxygen may trigger temporal lobe seizures which causes hallucinations. These may be similar to a near-death experience."

 

[faust]

Sorry, I think the altered states you have been in do not prove the existence of afterlife.
If afterlife exists, it is definitely different to afterlife which is shown in different religions.
Most religions are playing on people's fears about what will happen after his/her death.
I don't say that religions are good or bad.
But every religion want to show that one has to obey the laws of this religion, otherwise after death it might be very difficult.
Okay, if we are talking about afterlife, if a person has a harsh mental and physical disability, and sorry, pees in his pants and do not understand what is going on, what will be the afterlife of such a person? It makes me hard to believe in the afterlife he will somehow be healed.
Next. The afterlife means it will be eternal. For some people it is very hard to live after 80 because they are tired of life, they have seen everything, would not that be the punishment to live eternally?
If we consider psychological aspect, sometimes it is better to believe that afterlife exists. Because it gives hope that something may change. Like it is not the end, just the start.

P.S. When you have a lack of oxygen, you may often experience something strange. Especially if you are drowning, you may face some hallucinations.

 

[Disintegration]

the possibility of an existing afterlife has stopped me from ctb quite a few times..

i have experienced hallucinations and altered states of consciousness quite often,
i find it very unlikely that all these nde experiences (light tunnel, meeting 'angels/soul-beings',
peaceful/ecstasy like feeling,..) are just the byproduct of oxygen deprivation..

if this common scheme is just an hallucination, where does it come from?
i mean it would have to be saved in our brains, but it makes no sense, hallucinations are random, not like this..

i never experienced a nde but it cant be just a hallucination, hallucinations aint like this..
all these similar experiences must be real, at least thats what the people who nearly died
are convinced of.. but if there is something, what might be the reason for this life?

i dont believe in the bible or jesus or even hell, but this small chance of an existing after life
has hindered me quite often from continuing my ctb plans..

maybe we are here to experience and learn how to love, but this makes not much sense to me..
if an afterlife exists, i wonder why we are here then ..

does someone has already found any reasons, or reasons on why an afterlife doesnt exist?
thanks!

Just remember that all fear stems from the unknown. Not a punishment or reward as such, but just the uncertainty in our experience. Once you go through an experience and it becomes the new moment the fear subsides. Sometimes I think people should be more afraid of their known experiences and existence. I get where you're coming from though, it keeps me here too.

 

[Ghost2211]

in the end I don't know what there is and a half beyond this world. I will admit it is one of my hesitations to some degree considering he nearly every school of faith discourages suicide. I have seen no real proof either way to make me 100% convinced there is or is not an afterlife or reincarnation.

Our brain is such a wonderful and complex thing, and it is capable of creating friends that are not there. For example I took a medication once key control what they thought were seizures at the time and caused auditory hallucinations. It wasn't anything scary but I swear it sounded literally like someone was in the room talking to me. It scared the living hell out of me to be honest and I stop the med. Our brain can create auditory and visual stimulation that is not fair because in the end oh our brain is the gateway to the world around us, And as sad and awful as it is schizophrenics are a perfect example of what our brain can do to reality. ETC because of things like this I have a French can. and as sad and awful as it is schizophrenics or a perof what our brain can do to reality. ETC because of things like this I find it nearly impossible to trust anything my brain creates or does or things to be anything other than normal reality. In a state of decreased oxygen seizures can trigger hallucinations. The super fun hormone cocktail our brain stimulates to make the process of dying and high stress situations easier to endure can also trigger sensations of pleasure or otherworldly images.

 

[ComingClose]

I wonder often, what if there is an afterlife and it turns out to be exactly the same as this one?

 

[Amossoma543]

We could play the "what if" game all day long. I don't think it's a logical conclusion to say "it can't just be" this or that...because it very well can be. We all have different beliefs, but none of our experiences prove anything definitively. We all take our experiences and draw conclusions, mostly ones that we like. If I am being totally honest with myself, I have to say that the evidence leans more towards nothing after physical death, only because of the complete lack of definitive evidence of anything else. All NDEs and hallucinations, out-of-body experiences...all of these can be explained using natural means, and none of them require magical or miraculous experiences. Are there miraculous or magical explanations? Possibly. But the simplest, most obvious answer is usually the correct one. At best, we can only answer with, "I don't know", and leave it at that. If you choose to go further and believe something else, that's perfectly fine. It's just not honest to pretend that it's proven or that it's even likely.

That's my take on it.

 

[Pan]

Quantum mechanics appears to point to a reboot, if you will, at death. According to scientists interested in this theory, the "reboot" occurs automatically, with you as you. You will look the same and be the same in every respect, minus the memory of the reboot. One of the scientists who maintains this as fact had a gravestone constructed. On it are the words "Here Lies
Absolutely No One.

 

[hunthunt]

Quantum mechanics appears to point to a reboot, if you will, at death. According to scientists interested in this theory, the "reboot" occurs automatically, with you as you. You will look the same and be the same in every respect, minus the memory of the reboot. One of the scientists who maintains this as fact had a gravestone constructed. On it are the words "Here Lies
Absolutely No One.

That sounds more like some kind of solipsism

 

[Majin K.]

An afterlife would be even more reason to escape this life.

 

[oxymoron]

the possibility of an existing afterlife has stopped me from ctb quite a few times..

i have experienced hallucinations and altered states of consciousness quite often,
i find it very unlikely that all these nde experiences (light tunnel, meeting 'angels/soul-beings',
peaceful/ecstasy like feeling,..) are just the byproduct of oxygen deprivation..

if this common scheme is just an hallucination, where does it come from?
i mean it would have to be saved in our brains, but it makes no sense, hallucinations are random, not like this..

i never experienced a nde but it cant be just a hallucination, hallucinations aint like this..
all these similar experiences must be real, at least thats what the people who nearly died
are convinced of.. but if there is something, what might be the reason for this life?

i dont believe in the bible or jesus or even hell, but this small chance of an existing after life
has hindered me quite often from continuing my ctb plans..

maybe we are here to experience and learn how to love, but this makes not much sense to me..
if an afterlife exists, i wonder why we are here then ..

does someone has already found any reasons, or reasons on why an afterlife doesnt exist?
thanks!

you dont remember anything before you were born. same after death I think.

 

[Jerefeny]

When you die, you will be out of your body. Don't go to any kind of light, or guides or whatever. This reality is simulation/matrix/game or whatever. When you will look up, imagine a grid. In that grid, there should be black holes, go through these holes. They will not let you go that easy, very intense fear will be amplified at you.
Outside also could be simulation idk. However the moment you escape you should regain your memories, and you might know whats going on.

This is one of the reasons why I want cbt. Notice how new age stuff is going on? I have this intuition that holes will be fixed and we are going to be enslaved here for a few thousand years again. So I think not much time left. There still might be some other openings, even if fixed.

Well anyway, that's my research, I have only one objective when death. to go through grid.

 

[Esc9434]

When you die, you will be out of your body. Don't go to any kind of light, or guides or whatever. This reality is simulation/matrix/game or whatever. When you will look up, imagine a grid. In that grid, there should be black holes, go through these holes. They will not let you go that easy, very intense fear will be amplified at you.
Outside also could be simulation idk. However the moment you escape you should regain your memories, and you might know whats going on.

This is one of the reasons why I want cbt. Notice how new age stuff is going on? I have this intuition that holes will be fixed and we are going to be enslaved here for a few thousand years again. So I think not much time left. There still might be some other openings, even if fixed.

Well anyway, that's my research, I have only one objective when death. to go through grid.

Love your response. I heard the same thing.

Look at this thread: "Does death guarantee peace?"

 

[Pan]

Quantum mechanics appears to point to a reboot, if you will, at death. According to scientists interested in this theory, the "reboot" occurs automatically, with you as you. You will look the same and be the same in every respect, minus the memory of the reboot. One of the scientists who maintains this as fact had a gravestone constructed. On it are the words "Here Lies
Absolutely No One.

That sounds more like some kind of solipsism

it truly isn't intended to be.

 

[LMLN]

I think I know what happens. But at this point, whatever happens I will deal with it. I'm past the point of being able to stay regardless. Im going to take my chances.

 

[Pan]

My previous reply was regarded as a solipsism. If it is, then I can be considered solipsistic in a sense; this is an observer-centered reality after all. Everything you and I experience is grist, if you will, for the universe each of us carries , I think, in our respective heads.