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When you consider that the prime goal for most lifeforms is to live long enough to reproduce, do you ever think it's impressive that we are able to 'overwrite' those core commands? Deny having children and, kill ourselves?

I guess the pro-lifers/ anti-choicers would have us believe that it is illness or mental deficiency that enables us to do this. Maybe anti-natilism is more accepted as a reasoned out choice now but, I doubt suicide is so much.

Do you ever wonder when the first suicide was? I think only a very small handful of animals have been known to kill themselves. Mainly those held in captivity- which is no small wonder really.

Is that why we kill ourselves a lot of the time do you suppose? Because humankind is effectively held in captivity? So many choices are made for us. We kind of have to live in 'enclosures' a lot of the time to survive. Our lives aren't very natural.

How 'natural' and animal-like do you suppose humans still are? Surely, things like antinatilism and suicide mark a departure from the natural order.

In a way, homosexuality is another contentious topic. Kind of off topic but, I find it interesting. There is homosexuality in the wild. However- obviously, it doesn't produce offspring which is surely the purpose of expending valuable energy in the wild. I think it establishes connections/ relationships though so- maybe it's that. But, it can't be termed 'unnatural' if it happens in the wild. (Not saying I think it's unnatural but I know some people consider it that.)

Maybe all these things mark a parting from nature though. The pro-lifers may blaim mental illness. (Even homosexuality was classed as mental illness at some point.) Still- illness is temporary presumably. Surely our capacity to be able to want to kill ourselves, not have children, reject our biology marks a parting from nature.

Still, evolution is a natural force and, we've surely built this capacity via evolution so- in that sense, it is a 'natural' part of what we are. Any thoughts?
 
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Hmm as I read this my thoughts turn to indigenous people. I am aware there a uncontested tribes, some violent towards outsiders but that's as far as my knowledge goes.
I wonder if suicide has the same value as other mammals given your hypothesis above.
Btw, using the term indigenous people, I am specifically referring to uncontested tribes, who choose to to live their lives without interference such as shompen. I am in no way shape or form wanting to insult anyone.
 
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That's a good point, to be honest. I have never thought about it too much. I guess humanity is really unnatural. Maybe because our societies are extremely complex. Other social animals are able to sacrifice themselves for the good of their society, after all.

Another difference is that humans are better at CTB. CTB without tools and knowledge is really difficult. I suppose an animal would need to drown or fall from an elevation, if they wanted to CTB.
 
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Right off the bat- I really like and enjoyed reading your post.You are certainly not alone (at least I've been there) ,pondering over the same thoughts and ideas I found quite a few enlightening answers in a site I can only recommend you,too: go to "Church of Euthanasia" where antinatalism,homosexuality and suicide are the basic dogmas.I#m more than sure you're gonna love it
 
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Right off the bat- I really like and enjoyed reading your post.You are certainly not alone (at least I've been there) ,pondering over the same thoughts and ideas I found quite a few enlightening answers in a site I can only recommend you,too: go to "Church of Euthanasia" where antinatalism,homosexuality and suicide are the basic dogmas.I#m more than sure you're gonna love it
I never heard about that, but I read a bit about them and they seem to be a... religion? They are kinda weird. I agree with some of their points, but... why do they have prayers, and priests, and saints?
 
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This is all my opinion.

there are beliefs inside the brain many humans have. for example "I want to have children" , " having children is good" "I want to live " "life is good valuable" "there is an afterlife" "Death is bad" " I need a romantic partner and romantic love"

When I think about it logically all of these beliefs I think the opposite of the above beliefs. I'm starting to internalize some of these beliefs winning the battle inside my brain . I'm now definitely an anti-natalist and I think life is bad when I think about these logically.

The idea of me having children is abhorrent to me

Are these beliefs programmed into the brain by genes or taught to children especially ages 0 to 13?

Whether there is some biological components or mostly learned to these beliefs. I think the above can be reprogrammed. But it's very difficult to change the programming. Requires knowledge of the best practices to reprogram the brain. Then taking Massive action every day hourS per day, working the problem, reprogramming the brain with the best practices

But has anyone reprogrammed obviously biological beliefs like "I'm hungry for food"? Babies are hungry thirsty need sleep the first days after birth. but do babies know what Death is or that they and every human will die that first week after being born into this hell ? Do they know then that someday they want to have children? Do they believe in an afterlife or God?

When I think about it logically life is the worst monstrosity and Death/ non-existence forever is the opposite so eternal non-existence is the best thing imaginable the only perfection
 
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as far as I know they understood themselves as some sort of "anti-religion", unmasking the concept of religion by mocking and spoofing it.They do not actively exist anymore as such,but their webpage along with all their publications are still present in the net,though activities have ceased
 
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Forever Sleep

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This is all my opinion.

there are beliefs inside the brain many humans have. for example "I want to have children" , " having children is good" "I want to live " "life is good valuable" "there is an afterlife" "Death is bad" " I need a romantic partner and romantic love"

When I think about it logically all of these beliefs I think the opposite of the above beliefs. I'm starting to internalize some of these beliefs winning the battle inside my brain . I'm now definitely an anti natalist and I think life is bad

Are these beliefs programmed into the brain by genes or taught to children especially ages 0 to 13?

Whether there is some biological components or mostly learned to these beliefs. I think the above can be reprogrammed. But it's very difficult to change the programming. Requires knowledge of the best practices to reprogram the brain. Then taking Massive action every day hourS per day

But has anyone reprogrammed obviously biological beliefs like "I'm hungry for food"? Babies are hungry thirsty need sleep the first days after birth. but do babies know what Death is or that they and every human will die that first week after being born into this hell ? Do they know then that someday they want to have children? Do they believe in an afterlife or God?

When it comes to ideation though- I doubt many people are taught that- unless they have diabolical parents.

I guess it could be argued that those suffering with eating disorders overcome the biological need for food. I suspect there are also people who want children but reason that they couldn't give them a good life.

I agree though- a huge amount of our beliefs surely come from our upbringing and the culture we are around. Even in the case of vehemently rejecting what we have been taught and adopting other ideas. But, definitely- humankind is arguably more culturally influenced than biologially bound. Nurture over nature as it were.
 
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For me all the world is unnatural, if suicide is consider bad why humanity, which destroy this world isn't consider so, if for them antinatalism is bad I think we could say humanity is bad and unnatural because of what they did to this planet and should be eliminated
 
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