Zoltiel

Zoltiel

We're asleep in life's waiting room
Jan 7, 2020
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The third leading cause of death in the US is DOCTORS. YUP. The person who you pay outrageous amounts of money to see to help you with your health is one of the leading causes of death in the US.

"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000."
-https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

The main treatment of our doctors is pills and surgeries. Pills and surgeries are UNNATURAL. Yes, there are natural things that are dangerous, but a chemical that DOESN'T EVEN EXIST IN NATURE??? How much even more dangerous could that be??? In extreme cases they should be allowed, but that will NEVER happen unless we move away from the capitalist health care system. Most doctor's number 1 priority is not your health, it is to make money. If they don't make money, their practice won't exist, and their family will starve. They are no different than you or me. This is why everyone is dying, because doctors give dangerous synthetic pills to people who DON'T need them, and performing surgeries on people who DON'T need it. Now about surgeries... The body will never be the same after it is cut up like that. The skin is a complex organ with many layers and many veins and nerves and tendons passing through it. LONG after a major surgery you can experience complications. Some complications can be permanent.

Ever hear of the Lasik surgery? Or know someone who got it?

"Webmaster's review of the article: A 19 year old man underwent LASIK in both eyes. Three days later he reported blurred vision and underwent surgery to lift his flaps and irrigate the flap-corneal interface. Five days later he was treated for high intraocular pressure (IOP). One month after LASIK surgery, he sought treatment at another eye clinic for loss of vision (legal blindness) and eye pain. He was diagnosed with, and treated for, extremely high IOP and fluid accumulation under the LASIK flaps. Thirty days later the man's vision had partially improved, and his IOP had come down, and the fluid in the interface had resolved. However, 3 months later he had developed epithelial ingrowth (cells growing under the flap), cataracts in both eyes, and glaucoma. Months later his IOP was elevated again and his vision had dropped. He was surgically implanted with a glaucoma valve in both eyes. The man was referred to a psychiatrist because he was SEVERELY DEPRESSED and ATTEMPTED SUICIDE."

Source: Cabral-Macias et al. Pressure-induced stromal keratopathy after laser in situ keratomileusis: Acute and late-onset presentations. J Cataract Refract Surg. 2018 Oct;44(10):1284-1290.
-https://lasikcomplications.com/suicide.htm

CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT SHIT?! BECOMING BLIND BECAUSE OF AN ELECTIVE SURGERY AT 19? HOLY FUCK. And look how many more just like this there are on that website. Look at all those complications that happened in his eyes, I didn't even know the eyes can do all that. SURGERY IS UNNATURAL. In nature if you got cut up like you do in a surgery, you will SURELY DIE. So when the surgeon sews everything back together again the body's like WTF? GUESS I'M LIVING. IDK THOUGHT BECAUSE THIS NEVER HAPPENS IN NATURE. And you come back all scarred up and fucked up with complications.

Surgery should only be performed in extreme cases. This is why the healthcare profession needs to be nationalized. Then that would lift the burden off of doctors to make money, and they have curing the patient as their sole and only goal. I went to my GP the other day and just asked him for something to help my anxiety, I don't need that much just something to take once in a while. He gave me 180 FUCKING HYDROXYZINE and then said "Remember this is just for once in a while". LOL so here's fucking 2 years worth of pills brah.

Anyway, if you're just a guest here and are still fine and dandy in the world, listen to me. DO NOT GET FUCKING SURGERY OR TAKE ANY PILLS. Unless it is an extraordinary or you can die. Your doctors make MONEY off of surgery, so they have an ulterior motive to push you to get the surgery. Most likely they will not warn you of the real dangers of the procedure, to avoid scaring their money away. Read this forum, a lot of people that end up here got fucked by surgery and pills. Please please please avoid these things, and try to change the healthcare system.
 
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2manyproblems

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Jan 4, 2020
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Do you have any opinions on a healthcare system like Cuba's? I haven't researched it.
 
Supersadmommy90

Supersadmommy90

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Sep 24, 2019
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Yup. My family has been harmed by the "health care system" as well. There is a word for this- injury due to medical treatment or error- it is called "iatrogenesis". This is a very real and well documented phenomenon. Just one example- last year my dad was injured by a pharmaceutical product, namely a vaccine, that was a flu shot, in October of 2018. He now has permanent nerve damage and a 90% loss of grip strength in the hand in the arm where the vaccine was injected. He also now has chronic fatigue. This has all been medically documented. Anyway, there has been 0 accountability or effective treatment provided to him since, just pointless tests and procedures, more grease in the gears of the medical machine, meanwhile the damage is done.
 
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Zoltiel

Zoltiel

We're asleep in life's waiting room
Jan 7, 2020
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Do you have any opinions on a healthcare system like Cuba's? I haven't researched it.

I haven't researched it either...

Yup. My family has been harmed by the "health care system" as well. There is a word for this- injury due to medical treatment or error- it is called "iatrogenesis". This is a very real and well documented phenomenon. Just one example- last year my dad was injured by a pharmaceutical product, namely a vaccine, that was a flu shot, in October of 2018. He now has permanent nerve damage and a 90% loss of grip strength in the hand in the arm where the vaccine was injected. He also now has chronic fatigue. This has all been medically documented. Anyway, there has been 0 accountability or effective treatment provided to him since, just pointless tests and procedures, more grease in the gears of the medical machine, meanwhile the damage is done.

Holy crap. I never get flu vaccines, and never thought anything like that could even happen. Glad I always ignored all the propaganda.
 
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Broken Chimera

Broken Chimera

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May 27, 2019
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I know a few people who got screwed by the medical system, me included. Drugs that don't help but cause more complications that the doctors prescribe more drugs to treat the side effects of the last drug. Eventually you end up on at least 10-16 meds if not more.

I wish there were more alternatives for people, but the system shut them down.
 
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CURSED again

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Read this forum, a lot of people that end up here got fucked by surgery and pills.
i'm also a victim of pills and a couple of other things that modern society have come up with that didn't even exist in the past - alot of things that people assume are relatively safe are not - thanks for your sharing
 
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There is a time for extreme intervention like surgery or medication but it should be a lot less common.
I wish that when I'd been young my docs had just told me to eat better and stop smoking and drinking and get exercise. They didn't cus it's easier for a patient to take medication as actually being healthy can be hard work for some. So, lazy on the doctors part and lazy on the patients part to.
Now I suffer the consequences. So do we all if we take the easy road to 'health'.
 
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k75

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I have mixed feelings.

Surgery and medication saved my life a few times over, undeniably. Surgery also destroyed my life.

I don't blame the healthcare system, though. I blame at least one arrogant fucktard surgeon. It all started with him, and he caused damage that made it impossible for anyone else to do a good job.
 
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R_N

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So true. My health is ruined, mostly by pills.
 
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Zoltiel

Zoltiel

We're asleep in life's waiting room
Jan 7, 2020
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I have mixed feelings.

Surgery and medication saved my life a few times over, undeniably. Surgery also destroyed my life.

I don't blame the healthcare system, though. I blame at least one arrogant fucktard surgeon. It all started with him, and he caused damage that made it impossible for anyone else to do a good job.

Oh don't get me wrong, I have had my life saved by surgery and doctors as well. But then a completely elective and unnecessary procedure that I didn't know the true risks of ruined it.
 
k75

k75

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Oh don't get me wrong, I have had my life saved by surgery and doctors as well. But then a completely elective and unnecessary procedure that I didn't know the true risks of ruined it.
I'm very sorry. :hug:

I've never really had elective surgeries, unless you count the reconstructive ones I did. But I consider those a necessary extension of the main surgery I was forced to have.

I've just had very bad luck. Medically necessary surgery but bad outcomes. Still, I put the blame firmly on the doctors/ surgeons involved and not the system.
 
Misanthrope

Misanthrope

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Oct 23, 2018
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This is a bit overly alarmist. Appeals too much to nature for my tastes. The studies do flag issues but the conclusion you draw beyond that seem excessive. The issue of unaccountability I entirely agree with. Same for-profit motive driving treatment options that are entirely unnecessary and put a patient at pointless risk.

However, I don't blame the doctors as a whole nor do I think they don't care just because their bank balance improves from doing a job. They are like anyone else, fallible. It is just the stakes are higher when they do mess up. They are also not always informed as to what their drugs do. Because at some point it has been hijacked by pharmaceutical reps and updates to knowledge can be slow making it to the front line. Add in some top-down pressures, dangerous caseloads, target culture and hospital politics and being further hamstrung by managers with ivory tower syndrome. It is a recipe for mistakes and hiding the causes. Just the amount of hours they do seems nonsensical. Try not to throw the baby out with bathwater though.

I mention this as someone who lives in a country where profit motive does not as standard drive medical decisions. Although the NHS is almost gone. But at the same time it also does, because then it is a cost-cutting exercise to balance the books and ration care in some areas. While dealing with vultures that see an untapped pot of public money.

There are no perfect systems though. Medicine has always failed forward and made collateral out of people along the way. That is the price of progress sadly.
 
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Fragile

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i believe that there is a lot of value in modern medicine and it can be used to help a lot of people.

but i completely agree with what you are saying, the current healthcare system in most of the world is extremely corrupt and toxic, and that includes the pharmaceutical industry, they profit from people being sick, not from people being healthy and treated.

some pills have very bad side effects and are extremely ineffective, and when they work, even the doctors accept that they don't know how it happened. they just throw pills like candy at patients until something works out of pure placebo or with a mechanism that they don't even understand, and some times the side effects far outweigh whatever benefit they happen to have. the psychiatry field is specially guilty of these kind of practices.
 

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