The brain keeps on developing till age 25

[itsallover]

I hate seeing all these young kids on here asking for suicide advice. I'll admit that I am a loser for sticking around so long and should have been gone already with my OD's, but seriously just because you're technically an adult at 18 and your parents can throw you out in the street doesn't mean that you fully know what you're doing. Can we please try and help some of these kids out than pushing them toward this subtly. This is coming from someone with a chronic illness and though I am relatively young at 32, really don't want to see 18 and 19 year old teenage kids dying off advice from here. What do you guys think?

 

[BobbyPellitt]

I think everyone have a right to CTB, regardless of age or whatever circumstances they're in. However, I believe suicide should only be done with a clear and rational mind, not on impulse and rash decision.

 

[trynacbt]

I was suicidal at age 19 and I'm thankful I've had the extra years that I've had. But if you were to say these things to me at 19 I would've insisted happy times were over for me. So I don't know, I'm conflicted on this. But now I'm 23 and ready to go.

 

[Astral316]

What does a fully developed brain know about death that an underdeveloped brain wouldn't?

 

[Alessa]

well... I was 16 as I first tried to CTB. It didn't work out and... I started to recover, did whatever I could to get out of my mess... I suffered a lot, but I also became strong and fought. I fought til this day... Iam 34 now. And as I look back, I can see, how hard I tried to get my life worth living, but I also see, that... whatever I did for that.. and I mean a lot... I still couldn't win this fight and wished, I wouldn't have suffered for all this time, yes, driven by "hope" though, hope, everything could be fine at the end. But in the depth of my heart, I knew it all the time... that I won't be able to change it.

So... what I try to say, is: I was smart enough when I was 16 back then. I knew what I did. And I wished, It had worked out the way it was supposed to be. Now its way more painful to catch the bus, because Iam broken, so damn broken.

 

[Untitled]

I wanted to die before I was 20 and I still want to die now when I'm 30.

I wish that I had died before I was 20.

I can't decide for other young people. If they want to kill themselves or not, it's their decision, not mine.

Yes, some people grow up and change their mind. I didn't.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

You are not a kid at 18 years old! I am so tired of seeing people refering to teenagers as children they are FAR from children.

And for the topic no I will not steer them away and I will answer in a message I have posted a couple times but apparently it keeps being relavent to the new threads.

"It´s easier to do as a teenager especially with depression because then you have a great emotional drive from the teenage hormones racing through your body, the depression and also the fact that at that age your frontal cortex isn´t fully developed so a lot of your thinking is emotional from the amygdala (the part of the brain controlling emotions)

I so wish I had killed myself as a teenager because I had so much drive to do it as mentioned above and it felt so good to think about suicide and everything sorrounding it but I stupidly decided to give life another chance and now I am an adult with no teenage hormones racing through my body and I have become apathetic and have anhedonia so I don´t feel emotions anymore i.e. no depression so no sadness either as a drive just nothing."

 

[Alessa]

You are not a kid at 18 years old! I am so tired of seeing people refering to teenagers as children they are FAR from children.

And for the topic no I will not steer them away and I will answer in a message I have posted a couple times but apparently it keeps being relavent to the new threads.

"It´s easier to do as a teenager especially with depression because then you have a great emotional drive from the teenage hormones racing through your body, the depression and also the fact that at that age your frontal cortex isn´t fully developed so a lot of your thinking is emotional from the amygdala (the part of the brain controlling emotions)

I so wish I had killed myself as a teenager because I had so much drive to do it as mentioned above and it felt so good to think about suicide and everything sorrounding it but I stupidly decided to give life another chance and now I am an adult with no teenage hormones racing through my body and I have become apathetic and have anhedonia so I don´t feel emotions anymore i.e. no depression so no sadness either as a drive just nothing."

Wow... That's true. Never thought about that, but yes. That's how I felt back then. Damnit... :(

 

[Lefty]

People with mental ilness often have or develop suicidal thoughts during their teen years. I know I did. I had a couple halfed-assed attempts. Things got better through out the years. I did seriously think about CTB after graduating high school. Sometimes I still wish I did. Though things got a little better. Now in my early 30s though, part of me wants to go on, the other part of me wants to CTB. I do miss how fast my body healed physically as a teen, though.

 

[itsallover]

You are not a kid at 18 years old! I am so tired of seeing people refering to teenagers as children they are FAR from children.

And for the topic no I will not steer them away and I will answer in a message I have posted a couple times but apparently it keeps being relavent to the new threads.

"It´s easier to do as a teenager especially with depression because then you have a great emotional drive from the teenage hormones racing through your body, the depression and also the fact that at that age your frontal cortex isn´t fully developed so a lot of your thinking is emotional from the amygdala (the part of the brain controlling emotions)

I so wish I had killed myself as a teenager because I had so much drive to do it as mentioned above and it felt so good to think about suicide and everything sorrounding it but I stupidly decided to give life another chance and now I am an adult with no teenage hormones racing through my body and I have become apathetic and have anhedonia so I don´t feel emotions anymore i.e. no depression so no sadness either as a drive just nothing."

I knew this would get some backlash but nothing like your post. Yes we all have teenage angst but does that we then have to die?

 

[Notf1xable]

At 18 you can go fight in a war and die, so that's the problem with that. I do agree with the fact that someone's brain doesn't mature until 25, I learned in in a basic psych course, but we don't approach it in the world like that. There's a lot of things in psychology that we are learning. I remember my professor telling me that there are a bunch of studies that are not able to replicated so things are still being figured out about our brains.

 

[sullengirl]

Interesting thoughts... As others have said, it requires a rational mind. There are people beyond 25 that can have had less thought in their decision to ctb than some 18-19 year olds. Regardless of age, there are people that are going to do it impulsively and unplanned, and people who don't.

Then again, I could be biased. It's difficult to be objective in being pro-choice vs life, especially factoring in age. I'm between 18-25, but this is something I have contemplated for my entire life. This is my first memory. It's my only memory, and it is treatment-resistant. I would genuinely be better off if I had done it early in my life as I had wished.

 

[Rational Suicide]

After 25 you have a pretty firm idea of you're place in the world and how things are going. This is why I respect people in their late 20s who are tired. It's partly cause life in modern society tires you out quickly...

Before 25 the jury is still out, people have more time for you're problems and you might be able to steer things in a better direction, hopefully with some help and direction. You also need that time to try out all other options before going for the final big one.

 

[Tired_M]

There's always 3 factors that influence mental and physical functions: internal, genetical and environmental factors. A 18yo person could still have the same reasons to want to CTB at 30 because of genetical and environmental factors. I'd rather CTB earlier even though some factors might disappear. It won't erase all of them. And it'd be painful to wait and see.

 

[MeltingHeart]

You are not a kid at 18 years old! I am so tired of seeing people refering to teenagers as children they are FAR from children.

And for the topic no I will not steer them away and I will answer in a message I have posted a couple times but apparently it keeps being relavent to the new threads.

"It´s easier to do as a teenager especially with depression because then you have a great emotional drive from the teenage hormones racing through your body, the depression and also the fact that at that age your frontal cortex isn´t fully developed so a lot of your thinking is emotional from the amygdala (the part of the brain controlling emotions)

I so wish I had killed myself as a teenager because I had so much drive to do it as mentioned above and it felt so good to think about suicide and everything sorrounding it but I stupidly decided to give life another chance and now I am an adult with no teenage hormones racing through my body and I have become apathetic and have anhedonia so I don´t feel emotions anymore i.e. no depression so no sadness either as a drive just nothing."

I feel like same- I wish i had done it when i was younger - very sad and emotional about it- but I didnt feel scared by the thought as such- as it felt like a more natuall emotional response to the pain I was in-however I didnt do it at that time- I kept going-I still had hope- and even though i have had some good yeas inbetween (im late 30s now) mostly is had been stuggles and v,hard times- retrospectively I wish I had done it then- it feels harder now for some reason- I have much more fear than I did then-probably as now I am an adult I over think things alot, analyse them and have profound existential despair-which still makes it harder for me to do- as I over comprehend the nature of the act- I also have no drive to do anything- I am just existing-not living anymore- i wish i had done it when I was younger. Even though I do believe that some peoples lives can change for the better-mine did not- so for me it was not worth sticking around for in the end.

 

[Rational Suicide]

I'd rather CTB earlier even though some factors might disappear. It won't erase all of them. And it'd be painful to wait and see.

In my own case, I feel this. My life started unravelling big time after 23 and I think it would be better if most of what happened from then till now simply didn't.

 

[a_strange_day]

I see lots of fully developped brains do horrible things everyday. The world is led by fully developped brains and I'm not sure they fully know what they are doing. I firmly believe that regardless of age or circumstances or whatever everyone should have the right to end their lives if that's what they want.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Wow... That's true. Never thought about that, but yes. That's how I felt back then. Damnit... :(

It´s like looking back at a missed window to ctb, I regret it all the time that I didn´t ctb when I was a teen I miss how good it felt thinking about suicide as a teenager because of all the emotions but now that window of opportunity is gone now I have apathy and anhedonia so I have zero drive/motivation to kill myself.

I feel like same- I wish i had done it when i was younger - very sad and emotional about it- but I didnt feel scared by the thought as such- as it felt like a more natuall emotional response to the pain I was in-however I didnt do it at that time- I kept going-I still had hope- and even though i have had some good yeas inbetween (im late 30s now) mostly is had been stuggles and v,hard times- retrospectively I wish I had done it then- it feels harder now for some reason- I have much more fear than I did then-probably as now I am an adult I over think things alot, analyse them and have profound existential despair-which still makes it harder for me to do- as I over comprehend the nature of the act- I also have no drive to do anything- I am just existing-not living anymore- i wish i had done it when I was younger. Even though I do believe that some peoples lives can change for the better-mine did not- so for me it was not worth sticking around for in the end.

Yeah that is true I didn´t fear suicide back then it really felt like a natural emotional response and in retrospect it still does I mean when in great pain for a long period of time then it´s only rational to end that pain I really miss how casual my thoughts on suicide was as a teenager no fear or overthinking things like "my parents will be sad" back then I didn´t care because the emotions were so strong it made me solely focus on MY pain and suffering and didn´t think of how it might ruin my parents life and that is how it should be since we can´t live for others.

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

Can we please try and help some of these kids out than pushing them toward this subtly.

What kind of help are you proposing?

 

[MeltingHeart]

It´s like looking back at a missed window to ctb, I regret it all the time that I didn´t ctb when I was a teen I miss how good it felt thinking about suicide as a teenager because of all the emotions but now that window of opportunity is gone now I have apathy and anhedonia so I have zero drive/motivation to kill myself.

I feel plaqued by the darkness of it now (in my head)- and because of how emotionally distubed I feel- it will be horrible to die whilst feeling this way- love to be feeling that 'buzz' and adrenaline I had about it before. Even through the tears there was certain 'poetic romance' to the idea back then for me.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I feel plaqued by the darkness of it now (in my head)- and because of how emotionally distubed I feel- it will be horrible to die whilst feeling this way- love to be feeling that 'buzz' and adrenaline I had about it before. Even through the tears there was certain 'poetic romance' to the idea back then for me.

I hear you I remember I actively planned to kill myself at 18-19 years old I even moved out so it would be easier, I still remember the times where I had been smoking weed all night and when the sun came up in the early morning around (6am maybe a little earlier), I went for a walk in the forest enjoying the morning sun and cool air looking for the perfect tree to hang myself I felt so depressed but also calm and like a happy/sad feeling over it knowing one of these days I would hang myself in one of these trees.

I miss that feeling and will never experience it again I miss how determined the feeling of depression and sadness coupled with teenage hormones make me feel about suicide now I don´t feel anything.

 

[End Piece]

Welp, that means I have 15 months to get my shit together.

 

[Fragile]

this mentality sucks and is the reason why euthanasia is basically impossible to acces for some people just because of age or mental illnesses, in my mind this just reads as "i have the right to die but you don't, grow out of your suffering kid"

plus this mentality does not take into acount that just like growing up, this is very different for everybody, some people stop growing at 15 while some others at 21 so who are we to say that their brains are not yet fully developed?

besides, depression and anxiety are known to fuck your brain in many different ways and that includes developmental factors, so if you are already suicidal at 18 then imagine how bad your brain will have it at 25, depression is known to shrink areas of the brain and affect i'ts neuroplsticity or the development of the brian with age, it is also know to trigger mental illnesses like early onset dementia and even physical ones like chronic pain, hearth diseases, gastrointestinal issues ad the list goes on and on.

and this is not even taking into account "kids" as you call them with issues that go beyond mental health, what about people with chronic conditions or just a tragic fuckign life? i'm sure that their brain not being developed enough is the least of their concerns.

and how are you going to help them? telling them that they are not suicide worthy just because their age seems the opposite of helping if you ask me. or are you going to "help" them the same shitty way pro lifers try to help, and that's by censoring anything suicide related and then act surprised when people try extreme and ineffective methods that just cripple them for life.

i'm sorry but this mentality is something that i deeply resent, it just shows lack of empathy towards the suffering of other people.

 

[Alchemist]

Or respect anyone reasons for their ctb. You're nobody to judge their reasons or their actions. Everyone is free to chose their fate.

 

[k75]

My main issue with younger people doing this is that they really haven't been able to fully experience life yet.

Until they're a legal adult, most people's lives are controlled by others - parents, guardians, etc. They are forced to do things other people want them to do and have very little autonomy. They're at the mercy of the people around them. To give up then is really a waste, I think. A lot of people find their situations change dramatically after they become independent and are away from the things that make life seem unbearable.

So I think it's best to give yourself a chance and just see if life gets better before ending it based on just the first few years. It might not get better, but it might. You can always die later if it doesn't, but you can't come back.

 

[Reyki6667]

I hate seeing all these young kids on here asking for suicide advice. I'll admit that I am a loser for sticking around so long and should have been gone already with my OD's, but seriously just because you're technically an adult at 18 and your parents can throw you out in the street doesn't mean that you fully know what you're doing. Can we please try and help some of these kids out than pushing them toward this subtly. This is coming from someone with a chronic illness and though I am relatively young at 32, really don't want to see 18 and 19 year old teenage kids dying off advice from here. What do you guys think?

So what, it is Not like childs are protected against incurable illnesses,got depression at 12........ Severe at 20.... Major Debilitating depressive disorder at 24 which disabled me totally.
With treatments only doing worse...
How I wish I could've died since young...

 

[Alec]

You are asking what I think, I think that you should stop looking at this site as "helping someone kill themselves and subtly pushing them towards suicide" because that's exactly how media tries to portrait this site as if we are just pushing people to do it, and it's not the case AT ALL! Also, you are asking us to help them, as in we should start telling them the same thing the rest of the world tells them? "It's gonna be ok" "it gets better"? We are already helping in our way by just being here, ready to talk about suicide openly and without fear and without judgment about what decision they might make. I'm 22, to me personally that has been a great positive change and part of my days now and I have seen many posts here of people saying the same thing as I just did. Yes we talk about ways to do it, it's because we are honest about believing in freedom of choice and when we say we are here for you whatever you choose we mean it. So when some say they want to know how, we help. Also just researching methods can be calming in a way and even more knowing a sure way and even having it prepared just in case can be a great hope that gives strength to go through another day and makes one feel stronger all together and more confident knowing that no matter what they are in charge of all of it ultimately. One last thing, just because you personally don't think that people in that age can't make this decision doesn't mean it's true and everybody in that age should live according to your views. Damn personally when I was 12 I already had the capacity for stronger logical thinking than most of the adults in their 40, by the time I was 15 I was capable of figuring out things most people can't figure out in their lifetimes. Point is just because you think 18 means not capable of knowing what this means doesn't mean every 18 year old is incapable of understanding what suicide is. Don't put people into the boxes you creat.

Or respect anyone reasons for their ctb. You're nobody to judge their reasons or their actions. Everyone is free to chose their fate.

This! Exactly this! We are not here to tell people "no your reason is not good enough to ctb" it's like literally going against everything this site stands for. It's their lives it's their decisions the very least we can do is to respect that and we are no one to tell them it's not good enough or they are not ready or they should stay alive cuz they are young. We don't know the situation, we don't know each person individually, therefore we can't judge and in any case it is never our place to make these decisions even if we did know the person.

 

[Invisible 73]

You are not a kid at 18 years old! I am so tired of seeing people refering to teenagers as children they are FAR from children.

And for the topic no I will not steer them away and I will answer in a message I have posted a couple times but apparently it keeps being relavent to the new threads.

"It´s easier to do as a teenager especially with depression because then you have a great emotional drive from the teenage hormones racing through your body, the depression and also the fact that at that age your frontal cortex isn´t fully developed so a lot of your thinking is emotional from the amygdala (the part of the brain controlling emotions)

I so wish I had killed myself as a teenager because I had so much drive to do it as mentioned above and it felt so good to think about suicide and everything sorrounding it but I stupidly decided to give life another chance and now I am an adult with no teenage hormones racing through my body and I have become apathetic and have anhedonia so I don´t feel emotions anymore i.e. no depression so no sadness either as a drive just nothing."

You are still a kid at 18. Still very young, immature in many many ways

 

[V0latile]

Teens shouldn't be allowed on here.

 

[Reyki6667]

I smell hypocrisy here at its finest....
The fuck someone judge for something he never experienced?