Discussion The amount of failed total suspensions is worrying.

[L'absent]

Now we are no longer talking about partial hanging, but about the much vaunted super-safe total suspension. In reality we are full of users who have failed, experiencing extreme pain (with times much longer than those described by the promoters of the DRL method, without losing consciousness after the classic 20 seconds) and fortunately who apparently did not suffer any damage. This method seems anything but peaceful. It seems like a real torture before death.

 

[TinyGuy]

This is why I think partial is better the SI is hard to fight against but atleast failing isnt as punishing as total suspension

 

[avalokitesvara]

From wikipedia " About half of attempted suicides by hanging result in death.[29]People who favor this method are usually unaware that it is often a "slow, painful, and messy method that [needs] technical knowledge".[30]"
So according to that source, 50% success rate. So it's not surprising people here, who are not technically knowledgable, are failing. It's still one of the top 3 methods globally though. I guess it's about taking precautions to make sure you are unable to escape from the ligature/noose before reaching the final effects. Sounds awful.

 

[L'absent]

From wikipedia " About half of attempted suicides by hanging result in death.[29]People who favor this method are usually unaware that it is often a "slow, painful, and messy method that [needs] technical knowledge".[30]"
So according to that source, 50% success rate. So it's not surprising people here, who are not technically knowledgable, are failing. It's still one of the top 3 methods globally though. I guess it's about taking precautions to make sure you are unable to escape from the ligature/noose before reaching the final effects. Sounds awful.

Yes, ok, but even if I attach the rope to the toaster and then the toaster falls. Here it is considered a failed attempt. For me, a failed attempt is a complete suspension done well that doesn't end in death. Nothing in those statistics is explained in detail. It's like saying I didn't manage to graduate, yet for 5 years I sat on the bench in front of the university.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

This is a never ending story of ignorance. Technically it is impossibe to survive a full hanging if carried out correctly and it is definitively not rocket science.

There are four reasons for failing:
1. You are found to early. You have to check the coosen location in advance.
2. Rope or anchor point are not strong enough or the knots loosen. To avoid this, you only have to test your set up in advance.
3. Your noose is not high enough, your feet reach the ground and you are able to free yourself. To avoid this, you only have to test your set up in advance.
4. You are able to free yourself because you can step back on the stool or grab something. You have to make sure that there is nothing within reach, maybe use handcuffs.

Why do poeple still fail?
1. They don´t really want to die, consciously or unconsciously, it is just a suicidal gesture.
2. People are impatient, impulsive, in an excepitional situation and don´t accept that they don´t have the location and equipment to avoid the four reasond to fail.
3. Why should somebody, who is in an excepitional situation and therefore not abel to manage his life, be able to manage his death, in therms of proper research, planing and testing?

 

[L'absent]

This is a never ending story of ignorance. Technically it is impossibe to survive a full hanging if carried out correctly and it is definitively not rocket science.

There are four reasons for failing:
1. You are found to early. You have to check the coosen location in advance.
2. Rope or anchor point are not strong enough or the knots loosen. To avoid this, you only have to test your set up in advance.
3. Your noose is not high enough, your feet reach the ground and you are able to free yourself. To avoid this, you only have to test your set up in advance.
4. You are able to free yourself because you can step back on the stool or grab something. You have to make sure that there is nothing within reach, maybe use handcuffs.

Why do poeple still fail?
1. They don´t really want to die, consciously or unconsciously, it is just a suicidal gesture.
2. People are impatient, impulsive, in an excepitional situation and don´t accept that they don´t have the location and equipment to avoid the four reasond to fail.
3. Why should somebody, who is in an excepitional situation and therefore not abel to manage his life, be able to manage his death, in therms of proper research, planing and testing?

Ok, but here we are talking about terrible pain without loss of consciousness even after 40 seconds. At this point it is not a peaceful method at all. It's horrible torture and better than throwing yourself in front of a train. Hanging here has always been described as little or no pain. Otherwise you should drink muriatic acid and you will certainly die.



One testimony speaks of 3 minutes in total suspension, completely conscious. Do we realize?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Ok, but here we are talking about terrible pain without loss of consciousness even after 40 seconds. At this point it is not a peaceful method at all. It's horrible torture and better than throwing yourself in front of a train. Hanging here has always been described as little or no pain. Otherwise you should drink muriatic acid and you will certainly die.

40 seconds, what is the story behind this this figure?

If the bloodflow through the brain is interrupted completely, you will loose consciousness within 5 to 15 seconds, this is the current status of medical science. And full hanging applies more than the double pressure on the neck to achieve this.

 

[L'absent]

40 seconds, what is the story behind this this figure?

If the bloodflow through the brain is interrupted completely, you will loose consciousness within 5 to 15 seconds, this is the current status of medical science. And full hanging applies more than the double pressure on the neck to achieve this.

The person in question was completely suspended for three minutes without losing consciousness. If you want to intervene, it's from this forum, I can't reveal the name.

 

[rozeske]

Hanging is not considered super-safe nor peaceful. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. What do you think the pressure of your full body weight on your neck does to you? On a positive note it has widely proven reliability, is fast (only seconds till you lose consciousness) and no way of backing out once you kick the chair, granted your setup doesn't fail.

 

[brownbear]

I think this site and community has the tendency to think bipolar and in black and white. SN and other infamous methods arent absolutely painless and reliable either, its just comforting to cling onto the concept of a perfect suicide.

Nevertheless hanging seems like a well documented method and has proven itself to be a functioning classic.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, personally I find it terrifying how trying to die can go wrong and lead to way worse suffering, all I wish for is to die in peace and never exist again, I see so much cruelty in how I cannot just have the option to painlessly die to prevent all future unnecessary suffering in this existence I never would have chosen, non-existence is all I hope for.

 

[failureofahuman]

Hanging isn't perfect but it's more accessible, effective, and peaceful than most other methods. Of course the failure rate is high, I would say that's mainly due to improper set up (not using a constricting knot or using hangmans noose, tying bowline wrong, too close to the ground so your feet touch, not having practiced through partial or choking yourself so you can know how to best restrict carotids, easing into it instead of keeping the noose a bit loose and jumping/kicking abruptly) or having an option to stop halfway through (partial). I had a failed hanging attempt but I know what I did wrong and I plan to eventually go out by hanging. And obviously it's logistically a bit hard to set up, most methods require you to jump through some hoops, acquiring a gun, SN, getting a hotel room, doing it at night when there's no one around, pushing through survival instinct, etc. There's also survivorship bias; ofc we're hearing from people who survived and not people who died. I would imagine there's probably many people who went out by hanging and just didn't post a goodbye thread because they thought it would be embarrassing if they failed the attempt. In any case, as another poster said regarding a 50% failure rate: 50% success rate is still way better than methods like overdoses, slitting wrist with a ~2-6% success rate, it's more accessible than SN or N, which also have failures on this site, it's more accessible and cheaper than a firearm if you don't live in the US or are legally barred from buying a gun due to being put in a mental institution before (which is probably common here), less fearsome than jumping, self-immolation, drowning. Obviously as another poster said, there is no perfect suicide.

 

[babouflo201223]

Hanging isn't perfect but it's more accessible, effective, and peaceful than most other methods. Of course the failure rate is high, I would say that's mainly due to improper set up (not using a constricting knot or using hangmans noose, tying bowline wrong, too close to the ground so your feet touch, not having practiced through partial or choking yourself so you can know how to best restrict carotids, easing into it instead of keeping the noose a bit loose and jumping/kicking abruptly) or having an option to stop halfway through (partial). I had a failed hanging attempt but I know what I did wrong and I plan to eventually go out by hanging. And obviously it's logistically a bit hard to set up, most methods require you to jump through some hoops, acquiring a gun, SN, getting a hotel room, doing it at night when there's no one around, pushing through survival instinct, etc. There's also survivorship bias; ofc we're hearing from people who survived and not people who died. I would imagine there's probably many people who went out by hanging and just didn't post a goodbye thread because they thought it would be embarrassing if they failed the attempt. In any case, as another poster said regarding a 50% failure rate: 50% success rate is still way better than methods like overdoses, slitting wrist with a ~2-6% success rate, it's more accessible than SN or N, which also have failures on this site, it's more accessible and cheaper than a firearm if you don't live in the US or are legally barred from buying a gun due to being put in a mental institution before (which is probably common here), less fearsome than jumping, self-immolation, drowning. Obviously as another poster said, there is no perfect suicide.

You're right, there is no perfect suicide. Full suspension was my first choice before I failed several times. Now, I think it's too painful for me, the pain in my case was terrible. I would like to find a way to reach unconsciousness (but how ?) just before falling from the chair. It would avoid the pain. But it seems impossible, unfortunately.

 

[L'absent]

Hanging isn't perfect but it's more accessible, effective, and peaceful than most other methods. Of course the failure rate is high, I would say that's mainly due to improper set up (not using a constricting knot or using hangmans noose, tying bowline wrong, too close to the ground so your feet touch, not having practiced through partial or choking yourself so you can know how to best restrict carotids, easing into it instead of keeping the noose a bit loose and jumping/kicking abruptly) or having an option to stop halfway through (partial). I had a failed hanging attempt but I know what I did wrong and I plan to eventually go out by hanging. And obviously it's logistically a bit hard to set up, most methods require you to jump through some hoops, acquiring a gun, SN, getting a hotel room, doing it at night when there's no one around, pushing through survival instinct, etc. There's also survivorship bias; ofc we're hearing from people who survived and not people who died. I would imagine there's probably many people who went out by hanging and just didn't post a goodbye thread because they thought it would be embarrassing if they failed the attempt. In any case, as another poster said regarding a 50% failure rate: 50% success rate is still way better than methods like overdoses, slitting wrist with a ~2-6% success rate, it's more accessible than SN or N, which also have failures on this site, it's more accessible and cheaper than a firearm if you don't live in the US or are legally barred from buying a gun due to being put in a mental institution before (which is probably common here), less fearsome than jumping, self-immolation, drowning. Obviously as another poster said, there is no perfect suicide.

It is not true that there are no 100% effective methods. Are there any failures from Nembutal on this forum? Well, if so it only concerns this forum because N is foolproof and 100% safe. What do you mean by perfect suicide in your last sentence?

Hanging isn't perfect but it's more accessible, effective, and peaceful than most other methods. Of course the failure rate is high, I would say that's mainly due to improper set up (not using a constricting knot or using hangmans noose, tying bowline wrong, too close to the ground so your feet touch, not having practiced through partial or choking yourself so you can know how to best restrict carotids,

Ok, but these cannot be considered failures. If you don't know how to tie a rope well and don't understand when your feet are hanging or touching the floor. Well, perhaps the problem is another and the method has nothing to do with it. Here we are talking about people perfectly suspended who did not lose consciousness for 3 minutes.

 

[failureofahuman]

It is not true that there are no 100% effective methods. Are there any failures from Nembutal on this forum? Well, if so it only concerns this forum because N is foolproof and 100% safe. What do you mean by perfect suicide in your last sentence?


Ok, but these cannot be considered failures. If you don't know how to tie a rope well and don't understand when your feet are hanging or touching the floor. Well, perhaps the problem is another and the method has nothing to do with it. Here we are talking about people perfectly suspended who did not lose consciousness for 3 minutes.

My plan (nembutal from peru) and some questions

Did the first store have limited stock- did you just specifically ask for 4 bottles? I ask because you then bought another bottle for more money in a second store. The first store had 5 units (maybe even more), i went to the second store just out of curiosity to see if i could get it there too...

www.sanctioned-suicide.net

In this thread, a user mentions the number of failed N attempts in Australia, don't know if it's true but I think it's ridiculous to say N never fails. No method is 100% successful.

We can't really know if they were perfectly suspended, they may have made a mistake they didn't know about or didn't mention. Maybe they're a genetic freak and have a super thick neck and their carotids are deeper in their neck than normal. I don't really know why their attempt failed, but it doesn't discount full suspension hanging as an overall good method choice for most people.

 

[L'absent]

My plan (nembutal from peru) and some questions

Did the first store have limited stock- did you just specifically ask for 4 bottles? I ask because you then bought another bottle for more money in a second store. The first store had 5 units (maybe even more), i went to the second store just out of curiosity to see if i could get it there too...

www.sanctioned-suicide.net

In this thread, a user mentions the number of failed N attempts in Australia, don't know if it's true but I think it's ridiculous to say N never fails. No method is 100% successful.

With N, death is guaranteed. Pentobarbital becomes deadly when the dose exceeds 3 grams. "To guarantee death, a dose 4 times higher than the lethal dose is diluted. Two or three minutes after taking it the patient falls asleep deeply and after about half an hour his heart stops beating. There are many other 100% certain methods. For example: Do you think you will survive if you drink a little muriatic acid? Ingesting even a mouthful of muriatic acid causes perforation of the esophagus, a very rapid necrosis of the mediastinum, home to many of the main arteries. It causes bleeding and rapid collapse. Death comes very quickly and with painful agony.

 

[failureofahuman]

With N, death is guaranteed. Pentobarbital becomes deadly when the dose exceeds 3 grams. "To guarantee death, a dose 4 times higher than the lethal dose is diluted. Two or three minutes after taking it the patient falls asleep deeply and after about half an hour his heart stops beating. There are many other 100% certain methods. For example: Do you think you will survive if you drink a little muriatic acid? Ingesting even a mouthful of muriatic acid causes perforation of the esophagus, a very rapid necrosis of the mediastinum, home to many of the main arteries. It causes bleeding and rapid collapse. Death comes very quickly and with painful agony.

I'm not opposed to those methods, it seems logical to me that someone would go for a method like N if it was accessible to them. Muriatic acid sounds too painful for me even if it's quick but if that's your preferred method, more power to you

 

[L'absent]

I'm not opposed to those methods, it seems logical to me that someone would go for a method like N if it was accessible to them. Muriatic acid sounds too painful for me even if it's quick but if that's your preferred method, more power to you

None of these methods are interesting to me. I talked about these methods as 100% safe methods in terms of lethality. The guillotine is also 100% safe.

 

[HereWeGo!]

Now we are no longer talking about partial hanging, but about the much vaunted super-safe total suspension. In reality we are full of users who have failed, experiencing extreme pain (with times much longer than those described by the promoters of the DRL method, without losing consciousness after the classic 20 seconds) and fortunately who apparently did not suffer any damage. This method seems anything but peaceful. It seems like a real torture before death.

I am totally agree with you. People tend to describe this as a simple and partly painless method. There are still lots of things that can occur and in case of that, turn the act to a failure or to a total painfull torture. I've been thinking about full suspension since I can't go all in with the "praised" partial hanging, before SI takes over. But what keeps me a bit skeptical personaly about FSH is that I'm afraid of noose going undone after a while and turn me into a vegetable.
Do you have any experience of failing FSH? If so, do you want to tell us about it?

You're right, there is no perfect suicide. Full suspension was my first choice before I failed several times. Now, I think it's too painful for me, the pain in my case was terrible. I would like to find a way to reach unconsciousness (but how ?) just before falling from the chair. It would avoid the pain. But it seems impossible, unfortunately.

Do you want to tell us why you failed?

 

[babouflo201223]

Je suis totalement d'accord avec vous. Les gens ont tendance à décrire cela comme une méthode simple et partiellement indolore. Il y a encore beaucoup de choses qui peuvent se produire et dans ce cas, transformer l'acte en un échec ou en une torture totalement douloureuse. J'ai pensé à la suspension totale car je ne peux pas tout faire avec la pendaison partielle "louée", avant que la SI ne prenne le relais. Mais ce qui me rend un peu sceptique personnellement à propos de la FSH, c'est que j'ai peur que le nœud coulant se défasse après un certain temps et me transforme en légume.
Avez-vous déjà eu des échecs de test FSH ? Si oui, voulez-vous nous en parler ?

Voulez-vous nous dire pourquoi vous avez échoué ?

I failed because of the strong vomiting reflex. It made be become crazy, moving a lot beyong my control, and the pain on the neck was awful too. This time, I had not plan such a problem and in a few seconds I moved so much in all directions that I don't know how but I managed to reach the corner of a furniture with my foot and next I climb on it and there I untightened the slip knot and put my head out of it. Everything happened in a few seconds only, less than 10 seconds for sure. I hurted my shoulder by the way and my neck kept a mark during 3 weeks. The next times, I failed because I even not manage to fall from the chair, the vomiting reflex was too strong when I tightened the knot and SI was here too. The first time I failed, SI was not here because I thought it was OK and quite painless. Now, when I think "full suspension", I feel scary and SI is coming quickly in my body like if a big danger was coming, even if it's just in thought. Then, I think full suspension is not for me, unless I find a way to be first unconscious before falling from the chair and unless I find a way to avoid vomiting reflex when I'm still on the chair and start tighten the knot.

Aucune de ces méthodes ne m'intéresse. J'ai parlé de ces méthodes comme étant 100% sûres en termes de létalité. La guillotine est également 100% sûre.

What would be your method if you had to take a decision ? Gas ?

 

[TimetoGo!]

You're right, there is no perfect suicide. Full suspension was my first choice before I failed several times. Now, I think it's too painful for me, the pain in my case was terrible. I would like to find a way to reach unconsciousness (but how ?) just before falling from the chair. It would avoid the pain. But it seems impossible, unfortunately.

I resonate with what you are saying and have felt that pain…….tried partial, too easy to free yourself. So tried full suspension and its a very painful experience if you don't reach unconsciousness fast.

Thought maybe taking some sleeping pills and standing until I black out, and then dropping but what if you dont hit the sweet spot and you hang there pretty much asleep? Until you wake in agony.

I just don't understand the videos I watch on gore sites……they seem to be able to carry it out with no stress and achieve unconsciousness within seconds.

Mind.is.blown!

 

[L'absent]

I resonate with what you are saying and have felt that pain…….tried partial, too easy to free yourself. So tried full suspension and its a very painful experience if you don't reach unconsciousness fast.

Thought maybe taking some sleeping pills and standing until I black out, and then dropping but what if you dont hit the sweet spot and you hang there pretty much asleep? Until you wake in agony.

I just don't understand the videos I watch on gore sites……they seem to be able to carry it out with no stress and achieve unconsciousness within seconds.

Mind.is.blown!

It is a method that leaves many doubts. But I believe that if you hang on and have patience, sooner or later you die.

 

[TimetoGo!]

It is a method that leaves many doubts. But I believe that if you hang on and have patience, sooner or later you die.

Patience when in excruciating pain is extremely easier said than done my friend……

 

[L'absent]

Patience when in excruciating pain is extremely easier said than done my friend……

I know, I'm very sorry that you have to experience that severe pain with every attempt. But I don't think there is a different solution. It is probably a very subjective method and you are not among those who feel almost nothing. Your way out with this method will be very painful. This is why I say you will have to be patient. Not interested in another method?

 

[Worndown]

What about all the posts on this site from people attempting full but being saved? Nearly all note the lack of pain but the sensation of pressure.

If you set it up poorly, place the ligature incorrectly or use an inappropriate item as a rope, things can go hortibly wrong.

Read up on your method. Find out how it should work and what are the typical failure points. This goes for all methods.

There is a video of a woman knotting a scarf around her neck and ceiling fan and slipping off her ladder. She lasted for a long time. She also messed up in a couple of ways. A little research would have made her journey much better.

If you are unsure about something, ask. There are a lot of people here willing to guide you toward a better outcome.