Discussion Synthetic suicide, the death that everybody of us was waiting for

[synthetic_suicide]

I want to discuss if the introduction of Virtual Reality (living your suicide as it was real in a virtual world) and Synthetic Reality (the creation of a complete parallel reality where you've an android that is exactly the copy of your person and "your android performs your suicide" so to say, but this feels REAL to you, with REAL feelings of death (and after-death, if that makes sense)) would make you rethink your thoughts about suicide. Maybe "performing" a synthetic suicide and then assess and re-integrate the trauma with a therapist, will be "enough death" for many of us.

 

[undesirednlazy]

seems to focus more on the idea that we seek the "experience" of death, i might be stupid tho

 

[lament.]

I don't think many people here want to experience death, we just want to be free from life, thus death is the answer, not the goal.

 

[4everDone]

Not sure how this is related to this thread, sounds like off topic to me. Plus what's up with all these spiritual/reincarnation/after life posts lately?

 

[Doemu]

I don't want a virtual death, I want it physical. And I think the most of people try to avoid to experience the death process, that's why they try to choose painless and sleeping methods.

 

[synthetic_suicide]

I don't think many people here want to experience death, we just want to be free from life, thus death is the answer, not the goal.

Have you considered the idea that you may wake up "free" from that experience? Can you conceptualize freedom to me?

 

[Forever Sleep]

No, because I presumsbly still have a physical biological body that has needs- food, water, shelter and, those needs need paying for! So, once I've finally found release in the virtual world, I would have to return to this one to continue the daily grind. In fact, it sounds like a form of hell! Imagine you got so caught up in your virtual suicide that you felt for a while that it was real. Only to find it was a dream and you were in fact, still stuck here.

I don't actually want to experience death either. It feels the equivalent of going to see the dentist for a root canal. It's not something you want to do. It's not something you want to experience. It's something you put yourself through to avoid being in worse pain. Death feels like something that has been inflicted upon us because we were born. I guess those of us seeking it out early are because life feels intolerable but I've never viewed the experience itself as something that would likely be pleasant.

I suppose- if they actually knew there was an afterlife, that could be useful. If hell is real and if we actually do go there following a suicide, it would be useful to see just how bad it is to decide whether it's worth it.

Overall though, I guess this is about catharsis. I'm not so sure how good it is for us generally though to be honest. Probably depends on how much we indulge in it. But things like porn addiction can mess people up. Scientists have formed links between violent games and aggression in children. In this example though, the person would presumably think they were free, only to find they weren't. Maybe it would be ok if you felt undecided. You might feel grateful to still be alive but, perhaps not.

 

[synthetic_suicide]

I don't want a virtual death, I want it physical. And I think the most of people try to avoid to experience the death process, that's why they try to choose painless and sleeping methods.

Take a step back Doemu. You want to satisfy a pulsion of death: does it make any difference to satisfy this pulsion in a well devised synthetic environment where everything is exactly framed as your ideal suicide scene: your ideal room with your ideal pills or your ideal rope, your ideal bridge, your favorite gun. Or a synthetic environment for drowning or for using gas or for cutting.

Technically we can expect that somewhere in the not so distant future, it will be possible to create a synthetic environment that cater to all suicide taste. You go there, and in ways that are currently worked on, your brain is directly corrected to a highly realistic android. A 100% accurate copy of you. As I said is your brain to control this Android, therefore, the moment your android prepare the pills and then drink them, you feel the process in you, at the highest degree, in a way that is more real than real. Same with the gun, is the android to use the gun, according to your indications (remember, the android is brainless, is your brain to control). And then you pull the trigger and kill yourself (kill the android).

I think we can all be critical to this way of "exiting", but if it would be available right here, right now, I would give it a try. After all the worst that could happen is that you will not die, like it happens in any failed attempt. But here you will at least have no permanent damage (your body is always untouched during the process, only the brain "perform" the process) and then you will be free to try again utilizing different methods, if you see this applicable to you.

 

[rozeske]

This doesn't make sense to me. People are planning on suicide to not live this life that is causing them pain and suffering. Not because suicide is a glamorous and lovely experience. If that was the case the virtual reality could definitely deter them from suicide. Other than that it's only going to possibility make you terrified of death and endup knowing you can't live this life nor commit suicide which is double torture.

 

[deedeme]

Sounds like a black mirror episode. lol.

One would need a mental assessment before that, I fear. You may not experience physical pain, but the mental impact such simulation may have on you could be quite detrimental.

I wouldn't try it.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

This doesn't make sense to me. People are planning on suicide to not live this life that is causing them pain and suffering. Not because suicide is a glamorous and lovely experience. If that was the case the virtual reality could definitely deter them from suicide. Other than that it's only going to possibility make you terrified of death and endup knowing you can't live this life nor commit suicide which is double torture.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either.

I don't think most people have a compulsion to experience suicide or dying. Quite the opposite, they would like to skip the dying part and go straight to being dead. Hence the desire for peaceful quick and efficient methods.

I don't see how experiencing virtual suicide would help to "free" anyone, because it doesn't solve any real world problems that might have made you consider ctb.

 

[lament.]

Have you considered the idea that you may wake up "free" from that experience? Can you conceptualize freedom to me?

No I have not because it sounds incredibly unrealistic, hypothetically if this was possible, why and how would this fix any of the problems I am facing in life? I see no freedom in being given a false death, what you are describing is essentially dying then coming back. What changes? My body and mind are still broken and I've just gone through a traumatic experience for essentially no reason. I don't see what you are getting at here, this seems more aimed at people who are suicidal fetishists or people looking for some kind of temporary relief by feeling the sensation of death.

I attempt suicide to end my life, not because I am curious as to how death feels.

 

[BrainShower]

Seems like a cool sci-fi short story.
Not like something I would actually expect to ever happen though.
I think an end to suffering is the goal of most here. This doesn't seem to provide that.

 

[Whale_bones]

You want to satisfy a pulsion of death: does it make any difference to satisfy this pulsion in a well devised synthetic environment where everything is exactly framed as your ideal suicide scene: your ideal room with your ideal pills or your ideal rope, your ideal bridge, your favorite gun. Or a synthetic environment for drowning or for using gas or for cutting.

This is still focusing on the act itself being some sort of desirable thing. As others have said, for most people the actual act of suicide is not something they look at as enjoyable or positive. Quite the opposite, it's at least uncomfortable, if not scary and painful for many.

If such a technology existed, where we could choose our environment and it looked and felt as real as the real world, you can bet that tons of people here would take advantage of that, but not to simulate death; they'd simulate a life that's peaceful. I for one know that I'd consider CTB a lot *less* if I could spend time in a world where I didn't experience chronic physical pain.

 

[4everDone]

Have z

Take a step back Doemu. You want to satisfy a pulsion of death: does it make any difference to satisfy this pulsion in a well devised synthetic environment where everything is exactly framed as your ideal suicide scene: your ideal room with your ideal pills or your ideal rope, your ideal bridge, your favorite gun. Or a synthetic environment for drowning or for using gas or for cutting.

Technically we can expect that somewhere in the not so distant future, it will be possible to create a synthetic environment that cater to all suicide taste. You go there, and in ways that are currently worked on, your brain is directly corrected to a highly realistic android. A 100% accurate copy of you. As I said is your brain to control this Android, therefore, the moment your android prepare the pills and then drink them, you feel the process in you, at the highest degree, in a way that is more real than real. Same with the gun, is the android to use the gun, according to your indications (remember, the android is brainless, is your brain to control). And then you pull the trigger and kill yourself (kill the android).

I think we can all be critical to this way of "exiting", but if it would be available right here, right now, I would give it a try. After all the worst that could happen is that you will not die, like it happens in any failed attempt. But here you will at least have no permanent damage (your body is always untouched during the process, only the brain "perform" the process) and then you will be free to try again utilizing different methods, if you see this applicable to you.

Have you got any links to where this thought originated from? Or does it purely come from your head?

 

[Doemu]

Take a step back Doemu. You want to satisfy a pulsion of death: does it make any difference to satisfy this pulsion in a well devised synthetic environment where everything is exactly framed as your ideal suicide scene: your ideal room with your ideal pills or your ideal rope, your ideal bridge, your favorite gun. Or a synthetic environment for drowning or for using gas or for cutting.

Technically we can expect that somewhere in the not so distant future, it will be possible to create a synthetic environment that cater to all suicide taste. You go there, and in ways that are currently worked on, your brain is directly corrected to a highly realistic android. A 100% accurate copy of you. As I said is your brain to control this Android, therefore, the moment your android prepare the pills and then drink them, you feel the process in you, at the highest degree, in a way that is more real than real. Same with the gun, is the android to use the gun, according to your indications (remember, the android is brainless, is your brain to control). And then you pull the trigger and kill yourself (kill the android).

I think we can all be critical to this way of "exiting", but if it would be available right here, right now, I would give it a try. After all the worst that could happen is that you will not die, like it happens in any failed attempt. But here you will at least have no permanent damage (your body is always untouched during the process, only the brain "perform" the process) and then you will be free to try again utilizing different methods, if you see this applicable to you.

Yes, there's a Big difference. Even if i try this, and i'm pretty sure i would truly enjoy it, there's a problem. I'm still alive after. If You make it virtual, choosing the ideal method, but i'm death after using it, that would perfect to me. We are suicidals, no death pulse followers, even if we can feel that.

 

[mortuarymary]

Sounds like a black mirror episode. lol.

One would need a mental assessment before that, I fear. You may not experience physical pain, but the mental impact such simulation may have on you could be quite detrimental.

I wouldn't try it.

I thought that.

 

[synthetic_suicide]

Have z

Have you got any links to where this thought originated from? Or does it purely come from your head?

my head. why?

Yes, there's a Big difference. Even if i try this, and i'm pretty sure i would truly enjoy it, there's a problem. I'm still alive after. If You make it virtual, choosing the ideal method, but i'm death after using it, that would perfect to me. We are suicidals, no death pulse followers, even if we can feel that.

of course you're still alive. that's the objective. but we can think that a team of people trained about these kind of situations will use your "death experience" to help you quickly stop experiencing suicidal feeling. A sort of reprogramming if you like the word. And a reprogramming that could be helped by the fact that you have experienced death and the way back

I thought that.

You have medical professional assisting you when you awake, you perform this in a hospital, of course is not supposed to be done alone in your room. You will have doctors around you that will help you process your death experience, and potentially reintegrate it in a life that is worth living again

I don't think many people here want to experience death, we just want to be free from life, thus death is the answer, not the goal.

Be my guest, if what I am advocating for become possible (and I think it can, actually sooner rather than later), then it will also be possible to tweak the experience to your taste. You could ask to "be dead" for 10 years and then "be brought again to life" to see if your idea about death has changed in the meanwhile

Seems like a cool sci-fi short story.
Not like something I would actually expect to ever happen though.
I think an end to suffering is the goal of most here. This doesn't seem to provide that.

Same as above, you can sign a contract to end the suffering for 10 years, then re-evaluate your choice after that. If you choose so, you could "die" again

To summarize, if you want to die peacefully, and is not about the act but death itself, this could be actually become a powerful solution, especially for people who are unsure about CTB. You just ask to be kept in the simulation for 1 year, 10 years...

 

[rainwillneverstop]

Have you thought about the target for this? Sorry if you already answered this, I got trouble reading long texts.

I am asking because most people don't want to end their existence to experience death, it's often because their life isn't worth living due to x y z circumstances.
I got trouble seeing how simulation could help such situations.

 

[FuneralCry]

No absolutely not, I just want eternal non-existence and nothing else, what appeals to me about not-existing is that it's permanent, it solves all problems and removes all future suffering, only non-existence is desirable to me. I find it comforting to think about how when I die existence will no longer be my concern, I don't see anything appealing about something so cruel and futile as existence, I'd prefer to die no matter the circumstances.

 

[sserafim]

I'd rather still die in real life though. The problem for me is actually having to live life, I would be fine living in a virtual world or fantasy. I truly think that there's nothing worth living for once you reach adulthood. Adulthood is just basically modern day slavery under the illusion of "work" and "freedom". I don't want to have to work to earn a living for 50 years just to survive. I'd rather die! I don't want to be yet another cog in the capitalist wheel. I want to break free and rebel against the system, and I kind of am right now by being a hiki. I still feel like that's not enough though, and the ultimate rebellion will be my suicide when I'm still young. I plan to die before 25 maximum. That way I'll never have to actually be an adult and buy into this exploitative pyramid scheme of a society. Adulthood and beyond are just stages of life that I never desired entering for myself. I'm terrified of getting old and I'd hate to have to enter middle age or old age. Aging just leads to and is preparation for death anyways, aging is the precursor to death so why not just die when you're still young and bypass aging? I just hate this reality and all aspects and facets of it. Nothing about it is appealing to me. I think that only we have realized the harsh reality of the world and how it's such a dark, depressing place, other people are still asleep or blinded/deluded by an illusion, they haven't woken up yet or opened their eyes to actually see.

 

[Cara7177]

This is still focusing on the act itself being some sort of desirable thing. As others have said, for most people the actual act of suicide is not something they look at as enjoyable or positive. Quite the opposite, it's at least uncomfortable, if not scary and painful for many.

If such a technology existed, where we could choose our environment and it looked and felt as real as the real world, you can bet that tons of people here would take advantage of that, but not to simulate death; they'd simulate a life that's peaceful. I for one know that I'd consider CTB a lot *less* if I could spend time in a world where I didn't experience chronic physical pain.

I, for one, am not looking to "play" at being dead, I'm here for the real thing.

 

[Whale_bones]

I, for one, am not looking to "play" at being dead, I'm here for the real thing.

Yes, that's what I was saying (not sure if your reply was meant as an agreement with me, or not). Most people would not want to experience death only to then return to their previous life, the life that made them desire death in the first place.

of course you're still alive. that's the objective. but we can think that a team of people trained about these kind of situations will use your "death experience" to help you quickly stop experiencing suicidal feeling. A sort of reprogramming if you like the word. And a reprogramming that could be helped by the fact that you have experienced death and the way back

The desire to die isn't something that automatically needs to be cured or reprogrammed. For many people, it's a logical conclusion after they've spent years, often decades, carefully considering the circumstances of their existence. It seems as if you're assuming that any person's wish to die is inherently a faulty, wrong thought process, and the best outcome would be to "cure" it in some way. That's just not the case for so many people.

You could ask to "be dead" for 10 years and then "be brought again to life" to see if your idea about death has changed in the meanwhile

Same as above, you can sign a contract to end the suffering for 10 years, then re-evaluate your choice after that.

If someone brought you a contract right now, and said you could immediately be introduced to extreme suffering, that would last for as long as you live and have no potential of stopping, would you agree and sign it? No? Then why would anyone ever "re-evaluate" a decision to stop the suffering, and choose to start it again?

 

[PoorYorick]

Seems to me not absolutely stupid :)
If it was realistic enough, it could produce the same effects as a failed attempt. Which may cause people to enjoy the life.

If one does not really mean to ctb, they should start enjoing life. Don't stay inbetween. That's being a coward.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Sounds like something from the Bruce Willis movie Surrogates.
I see what you're saying, but ultimately it doesn't end your shit here in the real world. Might give you an insight into your potential real-life ctb, but doubtful it would alter your current situation much.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Seems to me not absolutely stupid :)
If it was realistic enough, it could produce the same effects as a failed attempt. Which may cause people to enjoy the life.

If one does not really mean to ctb, they should start enjoing life. Don't stay inbetween. That's being a coward.

No that won't. That's not how enjoyment works. You'd probably just cause them feel trapped.

Staying inbetween also isn't cowardly. A lot of people are forced to stay between as a result of wanting to end their existence while also feeling afraid of process of dying itself and/or being scared of the potential consequences of attempting to ctb and failing.

At the end of the day, this whole "synthetic death" highlights a clear lack of understanding of suicidality on the OP's part. People want to not exist anymore. The "experience of dying" part isn't the appeal of ctbing. It's the "not being around anymore" part that interests us. People who want to ctb want to because we want to cease to exist, not because we want to experience what it feels like to be dying. If anything, most people here would probably prefer skipping over that part.

As what lament. said, deatb is the answer not the goal.

 

[4everHeartBroken]

I don't think many people here want to experience death, we just want to be free from life, thus death is the answer, not the goal.

Simply said and well put.