Help Swimming until exhaustion at a Great Lake/ocean

[Blurst of Times]

I have a friend who says they have people who watch shores with "sonar" to prevent this and I can't tell if they are just saying that to scaremonger me. They live on the coast so they would know, in theory.

Can anyone confirm that happening to them or someone else?

 

[oopswronglife]

Sonar is used underwater, not on the surface so while its POSSIBLE underwater receivers could hear someone swimming, there is no chance they monitor the entire Great Lakes shoreline for suicidal swimmers. The cost and sensitivity required would be immense...and muddled by boats and marine life. Complete nonsense. That said drowning is a horrible and painful death most times. If you did this you also couldn't change your mind even if you wanted to as you'd never make it back. Sounds like a terrible idea to me honestly.

 

[Partial-Elf]

There was another user a while back who did something similar, tried to combine it with some drugs. Didn't work well for them. If you have the determination to try this, you have the determination to make hanging or shotgun a success

 

[oopswronglife]

If you have the determination to try this, you have the determination to make hanging or shotgun a success

Frankly I think if someone has the guts to do something so difficult then they have the fortitude to survive in life. Not saying one HAS to, but the hell if I'd swim miles and drown on purpose. Way too much work and pain.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Frankly I think if someone has the guts to do something so difficult then they have the fortitude to survive in life. Not saying one HAS to, but the hell if I'd swim miles and drown on purpose. Way too much work and pain.

Agreed, I guess it depends how agonizing life is for you

 

[Worndown]

I have a friend who says they have people who watch shores with "sonar" to prevent this and I can't tell if they are just saying that to scaremonger me. They live on the coast so they would know, in theory.

Can anyone confirm that happening to them or someone else?

I live next to a great lake...nobody is watching anything.

 

[Blurst of Times]

There was another user a while back who did something similar, tried to combine it with some drugs. Didn't work well for them. If you have the determination to try this, you have the determination to make hanging or shotgun a success

Failed full suspension and unable to get a gun due to an involuntary.

Sonar is used underwater, not on the surface so while its POSSIBLE underwater receivers could hear someone swimming, there is no chance they monitor the entire Great Lakes shoreline for suicidal swimmers. The cost and sensitivity required would be immense...and muddled by boats and marine life. Complete nonsense. That said drowning is a horrible and painful death most times. If you did this you also couldn't change your mind even if you wanted to as you'd never make it back. Sounds like a terrible idea to me honestly.

That's what I thought. Not being able to change my mind would be a plus for me personally.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Failed full suspension and unable to get a gun due to an involuntary.


That's what I thought. Not being able to change my mind would be a plus for me personally.

Do you mind sharing cause of failure with full suspension?

 

[Blurst of Times]

Do you mind sharing cause of failure with full suspension?

Tried full suspension Friday night/Saturday morn. I thought I had compressed the carteroid but apparently did not. Head felt like it was exploding, body felt like pins and needles, I now have wicked burns on my neck, my throat makes a subtle strange noise when I swallow, and my head has been on and off ringing since then.

Struggled enough to get the 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 4 foot wooden pole to slip out of the rafters (hole in the garage ceiling wasn't much smaller and didn't have a way to secure it) Must've only been swinging around for 5-10 seconds.

It was less painful than I thought it would be but 10 times more terrifying.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Tried full suspension Friday night/Saturday morn. I thought I had compressed the carteroid but apparently did not. Head felt like it was exploding, body felt like pins and needles, I now have wicked burns on my neck, my throat makes a subtle strange noise when I swallow, and my head has been on and off ringing since then.

Struggled enough to get the 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 4 foot wooden pole to slip out of the rafters (hole in the garage ceiling wasn't much smaller and didn't have a way to secure it) Must've only been swinging around for 5-10 seconds.

It was less painful than I thought it would be but 10 times more terrifying.

God, sorry to hear that and hope everything goes back to normal for you soon physically speaking. I feel kind of betrayed by hanging because I used to be able to get the right effect with partial so often and it's rarer for me now. Hanging is the most widely effective means of suicide globally and it's so fucking fickle. I'm in the process of buying a shotgun now but will try to partial suspension hang myself first when the time comes

 

[Blurst of Times]

God, sorry to hear that and hope everything goes back to normal for you soon physically speaking. I feel kind of betrayed by hanging because I used to be able to get the right effect with partial so often and it's rarer for me now. Hanging is the most widely effective means of suicide globally and it's so fucking fickle. I'm in the process of buying a shotgun now but will try to partial suspension hang myself first when the time comes

Best of luck to you, partial seems like it's own weird beast. Why get the gun and not use it if you're not sure you'll get the results you need from partial?

 

[Partial-Elf]

Best of luck to you, partial seems like it's own weird beast. Why get the gun and not use it if you're not sure you'll get the results you need from partial?

Because I'd prefer to go by partial if i can get it to work right. I like how it feels when I'm able to hit the sweet spot and have had a desire to just let that feeling ride into nothingness. Shotgun is in case that fails. I find the firearm option to be much more intimidating

 

[DreamCatcher]

No way they can detect you with sonar or anything else. The only thing that would is if someone was actually watching or the beach had lifeguards.

I'm pretty sure your SI will kick in long before you get to the fatal point just treading water, if you are still able to reach shore you'll give up eventually. You could just keep swimming out until you got tired, then it would be difficult to make it back, but that might be a lot of panic too depending on how you feel about it.

What I would do would be to take a relatively heavy weight of ~20-40lbs and tie it to my wrist securely. Carry it out into the deep water and toss it in where it's too deep to reach the surface, or go off of a boat or pier. A minute or two at most and it'll be over.

 

[Painted Bird]

@DreamCatcher It seems that Stefanie Sherk did it the way you described (with weight), but in a pool by the house instead of deep water in a lake/sea/ocean. She died 8 days later in a hospital, I guess they found her too soon.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ottom-pool-death-probed-possible-suicide.html

 

[Thanatos]

Hearing of the failures with this method due to being caught I've considered trying to drown myself on my property in a kiddie pool at night time, SI is not a big concern for me. Any thoughts?

 

[DreamCatcher]

@DreamCatcher It seems that Stefanie Sherk did it the way you described (with weight), but in a pool by the house instead of deep water in a lake/sea/ocean. She died 8 days later in a hospital, I guess they found her too soon.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ottom-pool-death-probed-possible-suicide.html

I don't see anything on this about her being found alive. Even if they ruled an official death later at the hospital as they sometimes do, she wasn't conscious in any way after the drowning, and she was likely just on life support brain dead for those eight days.

I'd consider that a successful suicide, she probably was only conscious for a few minutes at most then it was over for her.

Hearing of the failures with this method due to being caught I've considered trying to drown myself on my property in a kiddie pool at night time, SI is not a big concern for me. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't count on a small kid pool to be enough, even just thrashing that sometimes happens when drowning might cause it to break or lose too much water or fail in some other way. Maybe get one of the larger 8'+ above ground pools (~$200+), shouldn't take more than an afternoon to set up, and those are difficult to get out of during normal times, it might be fairly easy to "accidentally" die in one especially if your SI isn't a major factor.

Getting caught shouldn't be a major factor unless someone is literally watching when you start. With brain death in just a few minutes unless they are there to pull you out themselves medical services wouldn't be able to make it in time to save you unless they are very close by and receive the call almost immediately.

 

[John Smith]

Tried full suspension Friday night/Saturday morn. I thought I had compressed the carteroid but apparently did not. Head felt like it was exploding, body felt like pins and needles, I now have wicked burns on my neck, my throat makes a subtle strange noise when I swallow, and my head has been on and off ringing since then.

Struggled enough to get the 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 4 foot wooden pole to slip out of the rafters (hole in the garage ceiling wasn't much smaller and didn't have a way to secure it) Must've only been swinging around for 5-10 seconds.

It was less painful than I thought it would be but 10 times more terrifying.

Do you think you would have blacked out had you stayed hanging?

 

[Blurst of Times]

Do you think you would have blacked out had you stayed hanging?

I'd assume so but it's good I didn't if it was going to slip that easily

 

[MAIO]

Failed full suspension and unable to get a gun due to an involuntary.


That's what I thought. Not being able to change my mind would be a plus for me personally.

One of the problems is you can probably swim further than you think of your life depends on it. Ie you will think you can't back out, than you can actually swim back. It would be far easier if you drove a boat in the ocean than "fell off" or sunk your boat. Accidental death, and no survival chance.