Survivals of suicidal jumps

[Jessica5]

This is possibly the most extreme ant-choice article on the entire internet, but it's worth reading. https://www.intechopen.com/books/to...inal-cord-injuries-following-suicide-attempts


It discusses people who survive jumps and (at least briefly) become paraplegics or quadriplegics. About 60% of the people who were quads or paraplegics after their jump eventually made a full recovery. The remaining 40% remained paralyzed for the rest of their lives. There doesn't seem to be a single person who made a partial recovery. You either get your life completely restored after a few months to possibly a year, or you don't get any of your life restored, I guess.

Anyway, the article has a disgusting anti-choice slant because it talks about how people who end up paralyzed after suicide attempts need all kinds of mental health care to make sure they don't attempt suicide again. (As if a person who's now a quad seriously has the ability to commit suicide even if they want to.) Yup, you wanted to die to begin with, you were "saved" against your will, now your life is shittier than ever, and you're expected to be glad that you survived the fall. In fact, if you don't prefer your new life as a paralyzed person over death, you're mentally ill. That's the anti-choice attitude.

Anyway, keep in mind that there isn't a single state where you can get assisted suicide if you're a quad. Assisted suicide states all have a requirement that you have no more than 6 months life expectancy. As much as you might want to blame this on Christianity, the main culprit is the last thing you'd expect- (ostensible) disability rights groups. They always campaign against allowing quads or other disabled people the right to assisted suicide, because they think that this demeans the lives of disabled people. I believe that one of the main reasons terminally ill people can get assisted suicide, but quads can't, is because there aren't terminally ill "rights" groups that argue life as a terminally ill person is always worth living.

Anyway, worth reading if you're considering a jump. There are pretty big risks involved if you survive.

 

[Mbound]

You're absolutely right about the disability activists. It's fucking mind boggling. I am disabled by many standards and I would love to personally spit in some of these "activist"'s faces. Just because you'd be psyched to be a quad doesn't mean everyone else has to be, and no one deserves to suffer in order to validate your "activism." God I despise these people, just as much as the religious wingnut pro-lifers.

 

[calendulo]

Very Interesting report. Congratulations. It is unusual find here a post like you have written.

IMHO I think you forget an very important data. 81% had mental disorders, bipolars, schizophrenics and 19% marital or work issues.
I do not see any anti-choice slant about. Bipolar disorder is curable, schizophrenia too, depression and much more.
To compare any terminal disease, cancer, an advanced fibromyalgia with a mental disorder is a quite risky.

If we talk about to blame someone, Christ not going to avoid you kill yourself, guess even he does not care about. You could to be a little brave instead you hide behind of senseless reasons like supposed rights groups and stories like that.

People have family and friends and that not shows in reports.

 

[Jessica5]

You're absolutely right about the disability activists. It's fucking mind boggling. I am disabled by many standards and I would love to personally spit in some of these "activist"'s faces. Just because you'd be psyched to be a quad doesn't mean everyone else has to be, and no one deserves to suffer in order to validate your "activism." God I despise these people, just as much as the religious wingnut pro-lifers.

They even complain about fictional movies like Million Dollar Baby or Me Before You where a quadriplegic gets assisted suicide.

They always draw some big distinction between terminal illness and quadripelgia, as if a life of 45 years of suffering is a lot more worth living than a life of 2 months of suffering. (And usually 2 months of suffering where you're able to walk or at the very least get yourself into a wheelchair so you can wheel yourself around in the hospital garden.) Frankly, all this stuff seems backwards. 2 months of suffering is where there's a halfway reasonable argument that you should just finish out your life, so that you can savor what little time you have left and your family can get a few last visits with you. 45 years of suffering means that you should just fucking die.

 

[Throwaway9787]

Someone on here survived a jump and is crippled

 

[Mbound]

They even complain about fictional movies like Million Dollar Baby or Me Before You where a quadriplegic gets assisted suicide.

They always draw some big distinction between terminal illness and quadripelgia, as if a life of 45 years of suffering is a lot more worth living than a life of 2 months of suffering. (And usually 2 months of suffering where you're able to walk or at the very least get yourself into a wheelchair so you can wheel yourself around in the hospital garden.) Frankly, all this stuff seems backwards. 2 months of suffering is where there's a halfway reasonable argument that you should just finish out your life, so that you can savor what little time you have left and your family can get a few last visits with you. 45 years of suffering means that you should just fucking die.

They think that if some quadriplegics are able to choose to peacefully end their lives, that gradually doctors are gonna go around killing everyone who isn't fit to run a marathon. It's absurd. Slippery slope fallacy at its finest. And yeah, it makes no sense, the distinction between terminally ill and severely chronically ill/disabled.

Ironically it's incredibly ableist to treat disabled people like children who don't know what's best for them. "Oh, your life is only bad because of society's stigma against disabled people! You're just a victim of internalized ableism!" No, Debra, I can't walk or use my arms or eat on my own or use the bathroom on my own and I would like to die thank you very much.

I was truly upset when I first found out how detrimental disability rights activists have been to the death with dignity movement. If they truly want to improve disabled people's quality of life, go after the insurance companies that routinely deny adequate care, or the crackdown on opioids that often leaves chronic pain sufferers in horrible condition. So many worthy causes, and they choose to spend their time ensuring that people suffer against their will for as long as possible.

 

[Jessica5]

Very Interesting report. Congratulations. It is unusual find here a post like you have written.

IMHO I think you forget an very important data. 81% had mental disorders, bipolars, schizophrenics and 19% marital or work issues.
I do not see any anti-choice slant about. Bipolar disorder is curable, schizophrenia too, depression and much more.
To compare any terminal disease, cancer, an advanced fibromyalgia with a mental disorder is a quite risky.

If we talk about to blame someone, Christ not going to avoid you kill yourself, guess even he does not care about. You could to be a little brave instead you hide behind of senseless reasons like supposed rights groups and stories like that.

People have family and friends and that not shows in reports.

Did you read the article?

These are people who are still being forced to live even after becoming quadriplegics. These aren't, say, typical sanctionedsuicide posters being told by the doctor that he can't help them commit suicide even though they hate their life. These aren't people who got tackled by a "Good Samaritan" right before they jumped off a building. Nor is it even like these people jumped off a building, ended up getting "saved", and are told that they'll have to live as quadriplegics for 2 weeks before they have the right to assisted suicide, if they haven't changed their mind by then.

These are people who jumped off a building, got saved, and are being forced against their will to live for decades as quadriplegics.

Why should these now-quadriplegic people be forced to live for decades unable to move a muscle, while some woman who drives herself to a hospital, walks herself to a hospital room, and is told that she has breast cancer and has six months or less to live should be allowed to get help killing herself in the doctors office after a 1-2 week waiting period? Explain.


For in case I haven't made it clear, I don't have a problem with a lot of society's obstacles to suicide. For example, although I wish that it were legal for me to go into a doctor's office and ask for help committing suicide just because I hate my life, I am not going to blame society for making that illegal and imprisoning the doctor if he gives into my demand. I don't morally fault a guy who tackles a person who's about to jump off a building, or grabs the gun from a person who's about to shoot themselves. I don't even fault cities and states for building suicide prevention walls around high bridges. (Although I have much more of a problem with the Golden Gate net since people might get hurt jumping into it.) I think most posters on sanctionedsuicide can understand why society makes committing suicide harder than we'd like it to be.

However, why the fuck shouldn't a quadriplegic be allowed to get help committing suicide?

 

[calendulo]

@Jessica5

Yes I did, well actually, i did read some parts, is titled "Spinal Cord Injuries Following Suicide Attempts", I thought that data was important. Is focused about pshycal matters, less about psycological matters.

I am agree almost everything. I am not making me question about whether is there a right to die with dignity. Yes ,there is........to everybody.

You are talking about very extreme and serious cases. It is a not valid argument.....well yes it is, but just either for supermegaextremists of whatever religion, or the extremist to right to die.

Yes, I am agree. These quad people have to right to die. The problem is that everyone is different, .............family environment.
Them are not sheeps, or a congregation all around of a cross or the right to die. Them are not quads,...no,.........them became in quads. them took the risk and made a mistake...It's sad I know........but it was a fail.

For that reason, safety i so important. Safety to die.......guess, both are agree in this.

It is not my fault that 81% of them had mental issues before. Is a fact.

Ramón Sampedro........you know him?,.....He was the paradigm about quads and right to die activists ........he falled down when rode on a bike, when he was a child. Repeat when he rode on a bike.

30 years on bed.He just could to move his head. He wrote using his mouth and a stick.

He did not to jump from anywhere. In english I think it said particulars. Life particulars. fucked life particulars.
When he dies, everybody was agree of that choice. Look at, even have an Oscar's award film .

Again...............do not compare any terminal disease, cancer, an advanced fibromyalgia with a mental disorder.
Be brave ..................and you say it that woman. It is same thing your cancer than a suicide attempt.........say it her.
If her was me....................better you run far away from me.

I think that you are an extremist about the right to die. As same those are talking about god. Both are religious.

And everybody else..............in the middle. C'est la vie, mate.

Edit: Guess quad for you, will be tetra for me. Only moving the head.

 

[Jessica5]

@Jessica5

Yes I did, well actually, i did read some parts, is titled "Spinal Cord Injuries Following Suicide Attempts", I thought that data was important. Is focused about pshycal matters, less about psycological matters.

I am agree almost everything. I am not making me question about whether is there a right to die with dignity. Yes ,there is........to everybody.

You are talking about very extreme and serious cases. It is a not valid argument.....well yes it is, but just either for supermegaextremists of whatever religion, or the extremist to right to die.

Yes, I am agree. These quad people have to right to die. The problem is that everyone is different, .............family environment.
Them are not sheeps, or a congregation all around of a cross or the right to die. Them are not quads,...no,.........them became in quads. them took the risk and made a mistake...It's sad I know........but it was a fail.

For that reason, safety i so important. Safety to die.......guess, both are agree in this.

It is not my fault that 81% of them had mental issues before. Is a fact.

Ramón Sampedro........you know him?,.....He was the paradigm about quads and right to die activists ........he falled down when rode on a bike, when he was a child. Repeat when he rode on a bike.

30 years on bed.He just could to move his head. He wrote using his mouth and a stick.

He did not to jump from anywhere. In english I think it said particulars. Life particulars. fucked life particulars.
When he dies, everybody was agree of that choice. Look at, even have an Oscar's award film .

Again...............do not compare any terminal disease, cancer, an advanced fibromyalgia with a mental disorder.
Be brave ..................and you say it that woman. It is same thing your cancer than a suicide attempt.........say it her.
If her was me....................better you run far away from me.

I think that you are an extremist about the right to die. As same those are talking about god. Both are religious.

And everybody else..............in the middle. C'est la vie, mate.

Edit: Guess quad for you, will be tetra for me. Only moving the head.

There are plenty of non-extremists who oppose the right to a peaceable death for anybody. Assisted suicide is legal in only about five states, and none of those states give quads the right to die. It's not like opposition to the right to die is some huge minority position in America.

 

[calendulo]

There are plenty of non-extremists who oppose the right to a peaceable death for anybody. Assisted suicide is legal in only about five states, and none of those states give quads the right to die. It's not like opposition to the right to die is some huge minority position in America.

No I do not. You're rignt. Assisted is the one and only option for them. The problem is Who. Really hard and complicated.
Yes, I know about assited in USA.
Nice girl or....guy. good conversation. Thank you so much.
BTW. I wish you best peacefuldead and indeed when yourself want it.Do the right.

 

[pleasethistime]

i survived 4 - 5 storey jump to concrete but not fully recovered. Still have problems with ribs and lung after 6 years.

 

[Jessica5]

i survived 4 - 5 storey jump to concrete but not fully recovered. Still have problems with ribs and lung after 6 years.

Hmm. Maybe they're just defining full recovery as the ability to walk.

 

[Jessica5]

Anyway, my cousin fell about 40 feet off a building a few years ago. He wasn't suicidal-the fall was completely accidental. He was literally trying to skateboard on an abandoned local building. There was alcohol involved, as you might expect.

He didn't die right away. I will never forget the 2 hours between when the hospital told us he had fallen and when they called to tell he had died. When he died, I was extremely relieved, because I was so petrified he'd end up quadriplegic.

After he died, I did some research on falls. Apparently the height he fell from, which is roughly the equivalent of 3 stories (13 feet per story), is only 50% fatal. I felt more relieved than ever that he had died after I read that.

 

[MAIO]

This is possibly the most extreme ant-choice article on the entire internet, but it's worth reading. https://www.intechopen.com/books/to...inal-cord-injuries-following-suicide-attempts


It discusses people who survive jumps and (at least briefly) become paraplegics or quadriplegics. About 60% of the people who were quads or paraplegics after their jump eventually made a full recovery. The remaining 40% remained paralyzed for the rest of their lives. There doesn't seem to be a single person who made a partial recovery. You either get your life completely restored after a few months to possibly a year, or you don't get any of your life restored, I guess.

Anyway, the article has a disgusting anti-choice slant because it talks about how people who end up paralyzed after suicide attempts need all kinds of mental health care to make sure they don't attempt suicide again. (As if a person who's now a quad seriously has the ability to commit suicide even if they want to.) Yup, you wanted to die to begin with, you were "saved" against your will, now your life is shittier than ever, and you're expected to be glad that you survived the fall. In fact, if you don't prefer your new life as a paralyzed person over death, you're mentally ill. That's the anti-choice attitude.

Anyway, keep in mind that there isn't a single state where you can get assisted suicide if you're a quad. Assisted suicide states all have a requirement that you have no more than 6 months life expectancy. As much as you might want to blame this on Christianity, the main culprit is the last thing you'd expect- (ostensible) disability rights groups. They always campaign against allowing quads or other disabled people the right to assisted suicide, because they think that this demeans the lives of disabled people. I believe that one of the main reasons terminally ill people can get assisted suicide, but quads can't, is because there aren't terminally ill "rights" groups that argue life as a terminally ill person is always worth living.

Anyway, worth reading if you're considering a jump. There are pretty big risks involved if you survive.

Dignitas has approved euthanasia to quads in their 20s with no other disorders. There are groups that campaign against death for every group-every life is always worth living. They only care about human they know suffering in general. Ie Now I am going to kill eat those animals that are in worse conditions than being tortured that feel the same emotions as humans doesn't bother them. People are contradictory and Absurd in general. Let's take the common monotheist claim. After death, you go to eternal paradise or are in a far better state than life. Yet, even if you are religious you must live until the last possible second. , it's heresy if you don't. Its consistent with suicide acts as a mutual collectivism mechanism with factor such as denial of death more so than what they claim they believe.

 

[Taki]

Anyway, my cousin fell about 40 feet off a building a few years ago. He wasn't suicidal-the fall was completely accidental. He was literally trying to skateboard on an abandoned local building. There was alcohol involved, as you might expect.

He didn't die right away. I will never forget the 2 hours between when the hospital told us he had fallen and when they called to tell he had died. When he died, I was extremely relieved, because I was so petrified he'd end up quadriplegic.

After he died, I did some research on falls. Apparently the height he fell from, which is roughly the equivalent of 3 stories (13 feet per story), is only 50% fatal. I felt more relieved than ever that he had died after I read that.

I think 200 ft, onto a hard surface, is the minimum height to guarantee death.

 

[calendulo]

Dignitas has approved euthanasia to quads in their 20s with no other disorders.

I express my gratitude to write this sentence, and besides it is totally truthfully.
In a perfect semantic english, guess nobody here could say that does not see the differences.
Huge differences.
Thanks, again.

 

[toomuchgrief]

I'm bumping this thread because Ms. Jessica5 here seem to know alot about jumping from height. Hopefully Ms. Jessica will come back.

Reading the article right now, and thank you I learn something else today of what will happen if I survived a jump, you sure taking alot of risk of the jump method. Quadriplegic paralyze and still force to be alive by the so call pro-life society.

And I want to add in this link, this free fall research site is a great read.

The Free Fall Research Page: Incident Log

Green Harbor Publications is the sponsor of The Free Fall Research Page

www.greenharbor.com

There real life stories in there where people who survived THOUSANDS feet fall. It all come down to what they plunge into below. They all crash into something that break their fall.

[[ crashing into a metal roof, hitting a car, and rolling onto the ground. ]]

[[ He landed on the roof of an adjacent building and survived ]]

[[ the boy crashed through the roof of an adjacent parking garage before plunging two more stories ]]

[[ from about 2,000 feet spiraled into the roof of a hangar. ]]

[[ At 3,500 feet. He thought he was going to die but was saved when he plunged through the corrugated roof of a well-placed hut. ]]

[[ At 3,000 feet. He fell through the roof of an army building and survived with only minor cuts and bruises. ]]

Scary. The thing about jumping is that if you survived, you could be paralyze all 4 limps, bedridden and can't even lift a finger and have to live like that for the rest of your life.

I'm still jumping though, it just I know I only have ONE chance to CTB, so I better chose well, or else I will just be paralyze and still live in all my pain before now added on physical pain from the jump.

 

[BridgeJumper]

That was a very informative read. Im halfway through it and I dont really see any aggressive pro life propaganda, and it has a lot of interesting data
Im not crippled after my jump, but my foot was sliced in half and although I got it stitched together, its paralised from toes down to the middle of it and grows calluses and hemorages all the time. I have a permanent limp in my right leg, which stretched funny when I hit the river, moderately severe back pain and on and off loss of feeling in both my legs and arms from the busted vertebrae in my lower and upper spine. I underwent physiotherapy and it got a little better but its been 5 years and honestly I think Ill probably never have a completely healthy body again. But at least Im able to walk 99% of the time. I will never forget how terrified I was when I woke up in icu and the first thing I noticed was that I cant move my legs. I panicked, screamed and pounded at them with my fists. Poor people :(

 

[toomuchgrief]

@BridgeJumper1994

How tall height of the bridge that you jump may I ask?
It indeed very scary, death is not scary, it the survive part after the jump that is scary.

 

[BridgeJumper]

15 meters.
The worst part about surviving it was when I woke up with all the drugs wearing off, and felt the unimaginable pain in every bruised and battered piece of tissue in my body. I couldnt even breathe normally without feeling pain in my ribs
Makes sense, the falls studied in this paper are 12 meters tops