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L'absent

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I'm interested in analyzing the dynamics of a suicide involving two methods: a gunshot to the palate with a .357 Magnum and a fall into a prearranged noose.

Considering the power of the .357 Magnum and the bullet's trajectory, most sources suggest that a shot to the palate has a high probability of passing through the brainstem or other vital brain areas, causing immediate loss of consciousness and rapid death. In this case, the person would fall into the noose already unconscious, making the hanging essentially redundant.

However, there are scenarios where the gunshot might not be immediately fatal if the bullet slightly deviates, hitting only non-vital parts of the brain. In this case, loss of consciousness could occur within 5-30 seconds, with death still inevitable due to the noose within 2-4 minutes.

The question is: which scenario do you think is the most likely?

1. Immediate loss of consciousness with instant death (the noose becomes irrelevant).


2. Immediate loss of consciousness with death caused by the noose (the gunshot is not instantly fatal, but the person is already unconscious when falling into the noose).


3. Loss of consciousness within 5-30 seconds, then death by hanging (the gunshot is not immediately fatal, and the noose becomes the primary cause of death).


4. Loss of consciousness after more than 30 seconds, with perceived suffering (a rarer scenario where the gunshot does not cause immediate unconsciousness, and the person experiences pain before passing out in the noose).



In your opinion, which of these is the most realistic? Or are there other factors that could influence the outcome?
 
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Probably #2. I think the average person isn't going to hit their brain stem since you can't see exactly where it is after all. You're gonna blow through your brain and lose consciousness and at that point, you're more or less dead even if you're not clinically dead. The noose is redundant, it just accelerates the process. Now if you flinch just before shooting then #3 is the most likely scenario but I'd think it would maybe be 10 seconds MAX you'd be conscious for, but I've never shot myself in the head so I don't know for sure.
 
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.357 Magnum imo almost certain in the mouth like that see bud Dwyer video. Bud shot himself with a .357 magnum in the mouth in front of everyone. Out instantly no one could bring him back to life. His aim was somewhat high imo as u can see the hole on the top of his head
 
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.357 Magnum imo almost certain in the mouth like that see bud Dwyer video. Bud shot himself with a .357 magnum in the mouth in front of everyone. Out instantly no one could bring him back to life. His aim was somewhat high imo as u can see the hole on the top of his head
Ok, but he practically died immediately so can we hypothesize scenario 1? Do you think his shot was the best?
Probably #2. I think the average person isn't going to hit their brain stem since you can't see exactly where it is after all. You're gonna blow through your brain and lose consciousness and at that point, you're more or less dead even if you're not clinically dead. The noose is redundant, it just accelerates the process. Now if you flinch just before shooting then #3 is the most likely scenario but I'd think it would maybe be 10 seconds MAX you'd be conscious for, but I've never shot myself in the head so I don't know for sure.
I understand. What exactly do you mean by gasp? Like a moment of agitation where you take the gun out of your mouth and shoot somewhere else in your face?
 
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No Bud Dywer shot badly he barely put it in his mouth and shot angled with a very vertical angle , it seemed to go trough the front of the brain imo but still killed him seems like mouth shot is almost certain with a .357 and up in power. imo deeper in the mouth and angled at 45 degrees .you need to hit the brain stem. imo shooting the temple the front of the brain is less lethal but still many have killed themselves like this . i would aim for the brain stem closer to the ear on the side of the head or in the mouth angled toward the brain stem.




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