marcusuk63
CTB
- Mar 24, 2019
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Suicide Rate by Country 2024
Some interesting statistics . seeing as the survey results were recently posted
Some interesting statistics . seeing as the survey results were recently posted
Crystal Labeija
Experienced
- Jun 3, 2019
- 216
FYI, some countries have loose laws around causes of deaths, and suicides are often reported as "car accidents" or other things.
marcusuk63
CTB
- Mar 24, 2019
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FYI , I know and FYI there will be people who make it look like an accident too .
JohnUK
Student
- Feb 15, 2019
- 147
My country (Lithuania) at number 1. Never thought things were that bad here.
marcusuk63
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Roger
I Liked Ike
- May 11, 2019
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We may be soon - you know the old saw about "lies, damned lies and statistics" ? The standard of proof needed for a Coroner to decide that a death is suicide was downgraded earlier this year from the criminal standard (beyond reasonable doubt) to the civil standard of balance of probabilities. That should result in more suicide verdicts.
But in any event, how have 2019 figures been collated and produced so soon ? I am not too impressed by this survey - take the following as an example. in the section about suicide in Sweden . . . .
First paragraph, "Sweden has a very low suicide rate, but this rate can be misleading because it may not account for physician-assisted suicide, which is legal there."
Third paragraph. "Euthanasia, or physician-assisted suicide, is still illegal in Sweden."
Observe also that UK, at position 78, does not give a total number of suicides.
How can the survey give total numbers of suicides for 2019 with still two months to go ?
Dodgy.
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marcusuk63
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Roger
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Marcusuk63 said,
"Call me cynical but the only reason this government does anything is to cut funding and I would not be surprised if the only reason to downgrade it is to save on a murder investigation"
I don't think so. Coroners in UK have been handing down so-called narrative verdicts, or verdicts where it is acknowledged that a person killed him/herself but without proof that suicide was intended. I think that we are not supposed to use the word verdict any more, but I can't recall the recommended alternative word.
The old requirement for a criminal standard of proof made sense when suicide was a crime.
"Call me cynical but the only reason this government does anything is to cut funding and I would not be surprised if the only reason to downgrade it is to save on a murder investigation"
I don't think so. Coroners in UK have been handing down so-called narrative verdicts, or verdicts where it is acknowledged that a person killed him/herself but without proof that suicide was intended. I think that we are not supposed to use the word verdict any more, but I can't recall the recommended alternative word.
The old requirement for a criminal standard of proof made sense when suicide was a crime.
Surprised to see these rates. Also surprised to see Ireland higher than the UK.
marcusuk63
CTB
- Mar 24, 2019
- 1,735
Source:
World Health Organization (Suicide Rates 2018)
the article was for 2019 on the suicide rates of 2018 , it says above the figures , so it has taken 10 months to collate the figures
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Crystal Labeija
Experienced
- Jun 3, 2019
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schopenh
Specialist
- Oct 21, 2019
- 385
Really? I live in Ireland and I think it is a less family-oriented / communal culture in comparison to british culture, also a more conservative and less diverse place (outside of Dublin city). Our healthcare is worse than the UKs as well - 6 places further down in the Euro Health Consumer Index, but interestingly, dead last for waiting times in the entire EU. So maybe you have access to better medical equipment than Poland but have to wait 20 months on a waiting list in severe pain for it. 20 months is a long time in severe pain.
I'm in Ireland too! I'm not sure I agree about the less family orientated thing, but I live down the country, not in any if the cities haha.
I do agree with the healthcare however, especially mental health in this country, its shocking, but I didn't think the UKs MH system was much better, but I don't know loads about it to be honest!
And yes, waiting lists are another story altogether!! Unless you have €€!
schopenh
Specialist
- Oct 21, 2019
- 385
> I'm not sure I agree about the less family orientated thing
My town is like a cocaine and weed central hub as well (I do neither of these drugs personally).
You need to tap into the upper middle class before you see healthy families, but the middle to lower ones seem completely dysfunctional to me.
One thing I love(d) that seems to be fading out is passing a stranger and giving a nod or saying 'hi'. Not sure how prevalent this is in other countries but it used to be bigger here and I bet it will be gone almost completely within 20 years.
I live in a fairly built up town. Everyone seems like they hate each other and don't want to speak to each other, except for the rare eccentric peeople who you don't generally want to speak with anyway. People are awkward and don't like any forms of unnecessary touch. Hugging and kissing a family member is seen as weird and people don't organically tell each other that they love each other. If I spotted a person in my estate given their relative a huge hug and kiss and saying, "love you" and it looked non-ironic, I'd wonder where I woke up. On the other side of things, I have spent much time on the continent and see the people there are way more obliging and loving with their families. Although this could all be confirmation bias.
My town is like a cocaine and weed central hub as well (I do neither of these drugs personally).
You need to tap into the upper middle class before you see healthy families, but the middle to lower ones seem completely dysfunctional to me.
One thing I love(d) that seems to be fading out is passing a stranger and giving a nod or saying 'hi'. Not sure how prevalent this is in other countries but it used to be bigger here and I bet it will be gone almost completely within 20 years.
What your saying applies in my town also but more with like old school friends that pretend to like you, two faced kinda thing.> I'm not sure I agree about the less family orientated thing
I live in a fairly built up town. Everyone seems like they hate each other and don't want to speak to each other, except for the rare eccentric peeople who you don't generally want to speak with anyway. People are awkward and don't like any forms of unnecessary touch. Hugging and kissing a family member is seen as weird and people don't organically tell each other that they love each other. If I spotted a person in my estate given their relative a huge hug and kiss and saying, "love you" and it looked non-ironic, I'd wonder where I woke up. On the other side of things, I have spent much time on the continent and see the people there are way more obliging and loving with their families. Although this could all be confirmation bias.
My town is like a cocaine and weed central hub as well (I do neither of these drugs personally).
You need to tap into the upper middle class before you see healthy families, but the middle to lower ones seem completely dysfunctional to me.
One thing I love(d) that seems to be fading out is passing a stranger and giving a nod or saying 'hi'. Not sure how prevalent this is in other countries but it used to be bigger here and I bet it will be gone almost completely within 20 years.
Unfortunately cocaine is so easy to get here too, I don't use it either, but on a night out in the local pub I'd have it in 5 minutes don't have to try, and for a small town, that's quite bad.
Totally agree about the hellos as people pass each other. I say that alot out of habit and cause sometimes I feel awkward if we happen to make eye contact, and then when they don't say it back I'm even more awkward!!!
But for sure the old Irish traditions are dying out. I mean you used to be able to ask your neighbour for anything, now I don't even know what my neighbour's name is!!!
Such a shame!
Telling what?
It's not that Russia is a good place for women, family violence aka wife beating is decriminalized, rape is very common and rarely prosecuted, misogyny is normalized.
Male suicide is so high because of absurdly toxic masculinity culture based on violence.
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Crystal Labeija
Experienced
- Jun 3, 2019
- 216
I'm not saying it's a great place. Russia doesn't even have domestic abuse protections, if I remember correctly. Russia has a hyper-masculinity problem that is extremely toxic. That was my point. The pressure that toxic masculinity puts on people.
schopenh
Specialist
- Oct 21, 2019
- 385
Seriously, I am semi-detached. The attached neighbours I've never talked to, they moved in about 6 years ago. The ones on my right I say "hey" and that's it. We have _never_ had a serious conversation. I honestly couldn't even fathom the reaction I'd get if I knocked on a neighboours door and asked for something we were running out of. I think we're truly an awkward bunch of people (myself included). I think people are mostly nice, just not very friendly. And when people are friendly I just queston their intelligence hahah
fightingsioux
Specialist
- Oct 22, 2019
- 357
Even though the statistics show China leading the pack, that is still low! Their government is hyper-vigilant about any news that makes them look bad, and a high suicide rate does. On a local village and town level, many clear instances of suicide are reported as accidents (she accidentally fell down a well, he accidentally ate a box of pesticide.) The real number is even higher.
Gone are the days of calling into your neighbour and asking for a bowl of sugar cause you've run out haha!
I liked that pic lol! The kitten and that bird flying by right at same time. Pretty snow scene.
Wait it looks kind of depressing, those buildings lol!
