bigj75
“From Knowledge springs power."
- Sep 1, 2018
- 2,540
People in general believe it's not but there are plenty reasons to why it is given the situation.
21Neberg
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2018
- 1,624
Suicide is completely rational. I hate the phrase 'it is a permanent solution to temporary problems' since many of the problems people have aren't temporary. Besides, by finally offing myself I am also preventing other problems and pain I would have caused to myself and others.
15dec
ember in the dark
- Dec 7, 2018
- 1,550
Wow, I relate to that 100%. I hate that phrase too, to me it just perpetuates that people who ctb do it impulsively because of a couple of things going wrong in their life.
Jenna
Experienced
- Nov 21, 2018
- 234
I can relate to that too. I'm tapering a medication and just keep declining. It's been 3 years and it's not getting better. I wish it was a few things going wrong in my life.
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
Jenna
Experienced
- Nov 21, 2018
- 234
Anxiety medication but getting off the depression medication was really fun.
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
Sheesh I heard coming off depression meds we're hell I can only imagine for anxiety meds
Jenna
Experienced
- Nov 21, 2018
- 234
It makes me sick. Such needless suffering. I hope you aren't affected by them. It's very hard to comprehend when you look so healthy. It does make this very rational.
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
Yeah I was prescribed antidepressants then realized that the side effects are the same ones I deal with in depression and more. I'm familiar with depression so I decided to keep it. Like my little puppy. And I totally agree about looking healthy. Hope the rest of the come down is easier
Jenna
Experienced
- Nov 21, 2018
- 234
Thank you. Good for you steering clear. Puppies are the best medicine.
Sickman75
Swing On The Spiral
- Jan 27, 2019
- 572
same, me too. i wish it was down to a few that i can handle both physically and mentally
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
The depression is my puppy* my familiar companion
ReadyasEver
Elementalist
- Dec 6, 2018
- 828
I did 12 rounds of strong chemo, felt several times like I was being turned inside out. I rather do that than coming off depression and anti-mood drugs. The stories and firsthand accounts I read sound horrifying.
Kyrok
Paragon
- Nov 6, 2018
- 970
That there is always a chance of improvement is the underlying assumption. Thus, "temporary" problem.
However (1) it may in some cases not be temporary; (2) the chances of improvement begin to greatly diminish in one's mid-30s onwards; (3) even if life would have improved, suicide under strong evidence to support (1) would still make the choice rational.
However (1) it may in some cases not be temporary; (2) the chances of improvement begin to greatly diminish in one's mid-30s onwards; (3) even if life would have improved, suicide under strong evidence to support (1) would still make the choice rational.
EmotionlessWanderer
Specialist
- Jan 19, 2019
- 352
Some people literally may only find peace or joy from the other side. Pro Lifers don't realize this or do but are too ignorant and instead pull off the " Life is precious! You have to live no matter what! " act.
They are nothing but hypocrites. Forces you to stay alive under the belief they are preventing suffering. You suffer for years on end just for being alive with your problems.
They are nothing but hypocrites. Forces you to stay alive under the belief they are preventing suffering. You suffer for years on end just for being alive with your problems.
ReadyasEver
Elementalist
- Dec 6, 2018
- 828
I do not get upset with people who are pro-life but do not try to force their will on others, it is their choice. I get upset with people who are radical pro-life, and try to limit the individual choices of others around them and in society.
EmotionlessWanderer
Specialist
- Jan 19, 2019
- 352
Ironically I find myself more comfortable with people who don't force their positivity unto you.
And as a Christian, I keep hearing, "only God gets to decide when you die." Then why did he give us free will if we can't choose when we die ourselves? And why should God punish us for ctb if he's the one that gave us free will in the first place? You all see where I'm going with this. I just hope I'm not wrong about everything and end up in heaven. All I want is to be with my brother again.... I miss him terribly. Tomorrow he'll be gone 4 months, 4 of the worst months of my life. ;-(
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
If thats the case then I won't die... Someone will always save me from each attemptm
This is why prescription meds scare me. The effects it has on people really is crazy considering how often they push those pills out to the public. I couldn't even imagine trying to keep up with a schedule of just taking them.
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
To be fair and equal though my therapist said that it seems that medications can seem terrible in places like this because the people who the medication work for are too busy living their life to post about it online... So if you get all your info offline there's a distortion to the negative. Kind of like being on this site can distort your thinking that life sucks and it will always suck
Your therapist is right, but I've had firsthand experiences with people I've known directly that have experienced the weaning of medications they've been taking for a long time. That and I don't have the chance to live my life posting on various sites. I know medications have different effects on different people, and I know there are some people who have had decent experiences using certain medications. It's just that in the volume they're distributed in, it's hard to tell what will work with who.
Redt2go
flower child
- Jan 5, 2019
- 1,643
Yup, you may have to try a bunch of different medicines
ReadyasEver
Elementalist
- Dec 6, 2018
- 828
Quite true. It is a reality that many can not accept. Why am I a mess and that person is perfectly normal? We will never know the exact answer to this. I am a pro-choice proponent, but that does not mean I reject life. I know several people who have had long, good lives. Everyone has moments of doubt, fear, and anguish in even a normal life. Why do some people get a raw deal, genetics, environment, trauma? Yes to all, and yet, many can rise above all this to continue on and live happy lives. The simple truth is we are not all built the same or have same the experiences. Mentally, I was very strong for most of my life, I got the short end with cancer. My grandmother was a woman of very modest means. She dealt with the death of a child, a first husband killed on the battlefield halfway around the world, and many others. Yet she met everyone with kindness and compassion. Volunteered whenever she could to help those around her, when in actuality, they should have been doing this for her. She passed at 90 in her sleep, peacefully. Life is simply a happenstance of risk and chance, but I do not begrudge those who now can find some happiness in it.
