Having a natural reaction doesn't mean it's justified or that it contains some truth in itself. Fear of death doesn't make death objectively bad or scary (arachnophobia is a good example). Human brains are wired to fear death, to justify existence and to rationalize everything, but that doesn't make any arguments for life true.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 44,137
I do believe that the wish to cease to exist is what makes the most sense and it's the most rational thing to want to prevent unnecessary suffering which would inevitably be experienced in the future if we stayed here. People do place so much emphasis and value on something so useless as existence but the reality is that there is nothing valuable about this worthless concept that only exists as a consequence of evolution and I see no benefit to prolonging this. I do believe that non existence is the most preferable option no matter what as there are no disadvantages to being dead and anyway the wish to exist is centred around delusions, it's irrational to wish to stay in a world where there is unlimited potential to be tortured and where all that we are destined for is to reach a very old age and inevitably deteriorate.
Life itself really is something disturbing and undesirable which shouldn't be glorified to the extent that it is. Death could never be 'bad' in any way, as it simply isn't anything, and the view that suicide is worse than suffering is insane.
Life itself really is something disturbing and undesirable which shouldn't be glorified to the extent that it is. Death could never be 'bad' in any way, as it simply isn't anything, and the view that suicide is worse than suffering is insane.
Makes more sense than anything I read in the news today.
freevoid
Student
- Jul 11, 2022
- 137
Rainy_days
Experienced
- Dec 21, 2022
- 256
I think a truly healthy response to a sick world is to try and heal it. But the amount of health, vitality and optimism necessary to do that is pretty high, unless one has the humility and patience to consistently focus on a very small area. It's easier now to despair when we have instant access to news of all the current misery of the world at one time.
WorthlessTrash
Worthless
- Apr 19, 2022
- 2,430
Suicide is a healthy action to shitty circumstances that can't be changed.
lark
New Member
- Jan 21, 2023
- 3
I think humans are in many ways just biological machines. We function on two impulses - we seek reward and avoid punishment (pleasure and pain) - and we cannot really choose not to function that way. Even people who enjoy pain still find pleasure in it, just in different way.
Pleasure makes humans more open, more outgoing, driving them to go out in the world and explore it like children on a playground.
Pain, on the other hand, makes humans closed, makes them distance themselves from the world into isolation, driving them to avoid anything that may cause more pain.
When pain comes from existence itself (e.g. chronic pain, mental illness, etc.), there is no way to avoid the pain, so we're stuck in a feedback loop where we close ourselves more and more, but the pain is still there. In that case, suicide becomes the last resort - the last attempt of a human mind to run away from pain that it cannot avoid. As it seems, it is more desirable not to be at all, than to be in pain.
Not trying to give moral value to either suicide or survival (moral values are subjective anyway), just describing my observations on how humans work.
Pleasure makes humans more open, more outgoing, driving them to go out in the world and explore it like children on a playground.
Pain, on the other hand, makes humans closed, makes them distance themselves from the world into isolation, driving them to avoid anything that may cause more pain.
When pain comes from existence itself (e.g. chronic pain, mental illness, etc.), there is no way to avoid the pain, so we're stuck in a feedback loop where we close ourselves more and more, but the pain is still there. In that case, suicide becomes the last resort - the last attempt of a human mind to run away from pain that it cannot avoid. As it seems, it is more desirable not to be at all, than to be in pain.
Not trying to give moral value to either suicide or survival (moral values are subjective anyway), just describing my observations on how humans work.
Fadeawaaaay
Visionary
- Nov 12, 2021
- 2,160
It's funny how we label things like death "scary" and suicide as "bad". Like what if we all lived in a world where those things were normalized and almost celebrated. I know in some cultures death is celebrated. But could you imagine a world were suicide was normal. Your neighbor disappearing one day and its just like "yea Jim didn't feel like keeping up with his bills so he dipped"
Caeruleum
Member
- Jan 20, 2023
- 7
Well I came from Tanta's video, and I'm sort of grateful for him pointing this place out for me. I got the same idea that RainAndSadness pointed out here herself - why didn't Bobby C open up in his community? Because it's not allowed. Depressed people and mentally disabled people aren't mad. They make decisions, and they are rational, just based on a different worldview.
Oh, by the way, tanta, all you mentioned were the US healthcare system, or the western ones, yeah? In China we are hospitalized for being trans, put in concentration camps for being depressed, and although it's to my advantage, I got prescribed methylphenidate for depression. Dude, people suffer, not all of us live in your ivory tower and things get really, really tough. Seeking help is seeking death here, and you don't even allow me to kill myself. Like really.
Sorry I got really angry there, being the minority in the minorities just isn't the best things ever, lol.
Oh, by the way, tanta, all you mentioned were the US healthcare system, or the western ones, yeah? In China we are hospitalized for being trans, put in concentration camps for being depressed, and although it's to my advantage, I got prescribed methylphenidate for depression. Dude, people suffer, not all of us live in your ivory tower and things get really, really tough. Seeking help is seeking death here, and you don't even allow me to kill myself. Like really.
Sorry I got really angry there, being the minority in the minorities just isn't the best things ever, lol.
the_town_manager
pleasant dreams for tired eyes
- Mar 25, 2022
- 41
Yeah, you'd expect life to be an objectively good thing based on how people react to suicide. But it's obviously so far from it. It's an absolutely trivial exercise to make a solid case for suicide considering the realities of this world. Only an irrational mind can be so reflexively against suicide. Maybe they should be sectioned before they cause further damage.
booplesnoot34
I’ll miss the winter, a world of fragile things
- Feb 8, 2023
- 77
I also came from Tanta's video. Ironically, I agreed with a lot of the stuff he was saying I shouldn't agree with. I've always supported full bodily autonomy when it comes to suicide. I didn't know there were people like me until now! Sucks that he framed us as monsters though.
I want to find Bobby's threads to see if Tanta edited anything. He clearly edited the site title and user names, so who's to say he didn't change people's own words?
Seriously hope you don't get "disappeared" by the Chinese government for being here. And I here thought Russia internet censorship was bad (they banned our memes!)
I want to find Bobby's threads to see if Tanta edited anything. He clearly edited the site title and user names, so who's to say he didn't change people's own words?
It's likely survival instinct, brainwashing, and lack of mental illness that causes that reflex against suicide. I can't imagine being happy. I wonder if happiness is really a thing some people have as their norm. Seems very implausible, given the state of the world.
Whoa, concentration camps? I knew about the ones for Wee-grrs (you know the ethnic term, just trying to make sure you don't get flagged for reading this), but not for depression. Did you get thrown in one?
Seriously hope you don't get "disappeared" by the Chinese government for being here. And I here thought Russia internet censorship was bad (they banned our memes!)
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i came here from that video too. i really like how you said "Depressed people and mentally disabled people aren't mad. They make decisions, and are rational, just based on a different worldview". i agree. i feel like mental illness gets infantalized a lot, like we're treated as being unable to make decisions for ourselves bc we're mentally ill
exhaustedanonymous
everything that lives is gone to waste
- Nov 14, 2022
- 136
this sounds a lot like utilitarianism & the hedonistic calculator, which made me thing about how suicide would apply to that. it's graded based off of the initial amount of pleasure/pain, and then other things like duration, is it reoccurring, etc. etc.. it's a fun thought to think about how suicide would apply to that.
Starting to believe that life is meaningless their is no reason for our existence because this life is pointless truly only have yourself this life is not enough for true happiness this is sad but true
Abadoned_Me
obsessive loli
- Mar 3, 2023
- 34
humans are sick creatures who do nothing but hurt (its why im making a list of ctb methods, im a sick person, who needs to go)
suicide is completely reasonable
suicide is completely reasonable
not sure if it's a matter of being (un)healthy but "not illogical" at least, and not worthy of being condemnable and/or disgraceful most definitely
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kazewoatsumete
hey come on and bury me!
- Dec 11, 2022
- 55
Suicidality is inherently a self-protective measure the mind takes— it is the most obvious escape from a shitty situation, and it is permanent. I don't know if I would call it a healthy response as opposed to natural— just like PTSD symptoms are not a healthy but normal response to trauma.
I find it hard to find purpose in a world where the "purpose" you're destined to have is essentially how much worth you have as a worker and monetary accomplishments.
Humans used to hunt, build, do meaningful things and take long periods of rest and leisure— and there was community. Capitalism works against our very human nature. It's no wonder so many of us— even normies, are suicidal.
I find it hard to find purpose in a world where the "purpose" you're destined to have is essentially how much worth you have as a worker and monetary accomplishments.
Humans used to hunt, build, do meaningful things and take long periods of rest and leisure— and there was community. Capitalism works against our very human nature. It's no wonder so many of us— even normies, are suicidal.
