Suicide consequences according to Theosophy teachings

[LenkaX]

Suicide - Theosophy Wiki

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Just wanted to share a theosophic view on suicide. I hope that this is not true, because it says that suicide is punished greatly.

 

[rt1989526]

The bullshit never ends.

 

[Pupuce]

Oh my, another attempt at keeping people alive to enslave them, so original. If only spirituality was more than just human pride wanting to be more than mere animals.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm curious, what's the purpose for sharing? I'm imagining all sorts of things, like that you're afraid and want it debunked, or you're afraid and want to to be afraid with others who have the same fear, or you're wanting to make others afraid that weren't before. What's up? If we know the purpose of why you shared this and what you seek from doing so, then that will help us in responding to you as well as to what you shared.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Suicide - Theosophy Wiki

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Just wanted to share a theosophic view on suicide. I hope that this is not true, because it says that suicide is punished greatly.

I wonder what evidence and data the theosophical view is based on.
Sounds like another totalitarian and fascistic religious invention which completely disregards the desperation and suffering involved in suicide, and instead invents a horror story in which suffering is just perpetuated despite death.
It's an all too human invention. Humans specialise in inventing stories designed to control behaviour and condemn so-called anti-social.behaviour. Control and punish - human specialities.

Edit: a better description: theological torture porn.

 

[RedDEE]

I like Satanism's view on suicide, better.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I like Satanism's view on suicide, better.

What does satanism say?

 

[Ghost2211]

Unproven scare tactics.

 

[Worndown]

How would they know? I can make up crap too!

 

[RedDEE]

What does satanism say?

Do what thou wilt.

 

[LenkaX]

I'm curious, what's the purpose for sharing?

Well, about 4 years ago I nearly roped myself, but I encountered theosophy teachings and so I didn't commit suicide, because I believed it. But now my pain is after the years even worse and I will CTB anyway. Nobody knows what there really is after death.

 

[torimandy]

Do what thou wilt.

Beliefs Concerning Suicide

As a general rule, the Church of Satan frowns upon both self-sacrifice and suicide, because it is the ultimate denial of the fulfillment of one's own life.




Satanists do accept suicide as a reasonable option for those who are suffering

"Extreme circumstances which make the termination of life a welcome relief from an unendurable earthly existence." (p. 94.)

In short, suicide is acceptable when it becomes a true indulgence.

Beliefs Concerning Suicide

As a general rule, the Church of Satan frowns upon both self-sacrifice and suicide, because it is the ultimate denial of the fulfillment of one's own life.




Satanists do accept suicide as a reasonable option for those who are suffering








In short, suicide is acceptable when it becomes a true indulgence.

Death Is Not a Reward

Satanic belief runs contrary to that of many religions that suggest that there is a reward or a better life awaiting us after death. Rather than embracing death, we should fight tooth and nail to continue to live, the same way that animals do. Only when death is inevitable should we quietly accept it.

 

[TheQ22]

Theosophy - Madame Blavatsky? LoL, might as well tell us what Mickey Mouse's views are, they have at least as much validity.

 

[LenkaX]

Theosophy - Madame Blavatsky? LoL, might as well tell us what Mickey Mouse's views are, they have at least as much validity.

Theosophy is not just Madame Blavatsky.

 

[TheQ22]

Theosophy is not just Madame Blavatsky.

Disney isn't just Mickey Mouse.

 

[LenkaX]

Disney isn't just Mickey Mouse.

You are comparing apples and bananas.

 

[RedDEE]

Beliefs Concerning Suicide

As a general rule, the Church of Satan frowns upon both self-sacrifice and suicide, because it is the ultimate denial of the fulfillment of one's own life.




Satanists do accept suicide as a reasonable option for those who are suffering








In short, suicide is acceptable when it becomes a true indulgence.

Death Is Not a Reward

Satanic belief runs contrary to that of many religions that suggest that there is a reward or a better life awaiting us after death. Rather than embracing death, we should fight tooth and nail to continue to live, the same way that animals do. Only when death is inevitable should we quietly accept it.

I'm a a Theistic Satanist - I don't believe in the church of satanist's views.

 

[Escargot Shorts]

You are comparing apples and bananas.

well basically (as i see it) they're just saying they don't take either of these perspectives, Madam Bloatavsky or Mickey Mouse, seriously. and really, if you do, what do you want to do with that? if these ideas are conveying that death is an easy way out and that one is to take suffering as some sort of...noble endeavor or something to grow from, then you can either embrace the notion that the sake of living is enough despite everything or reject these ideas because they may not inherently serve you. and those aren't really for anyone to figure out for you -- because basically this thread is ppl just saying they don't really buy it or look to something else that aligns w/ their goals.

so however you look at this, you gotta come to terms w/ that yourself i guess or whatev

 

[TheQ22]

That's exactly what I was saying, to my mind all religion is fantasy made up mumbo jumbo, what Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck thinks about the afterlife is just as relevant as Mdme Blavatski, the Pope, Guru whoeveryouchoose, or anyone else.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I don't fear this theosophic perspective very much, because I think that there is every reason to believe that consciousness ends at the brain. All evidence points to consciousness being a kind of information processing carried out by neurons, which can and will be terminated when the neural machinery responsible begins to fail. There is still much to learn however so fear is justified, because there are still so many unknowns. I'm much more fearful of the idea that when we die, just just return as another conscious being; that we are condemned to experience this horribly flawed reality. It would be as if we have been put to work in a never-ending labour camp. And maybe next time around I'll be a cow doomed to slaughter, a terminally ill child, a victim of obscene torture, and so on. The capacity for suffering is immense, and It is a terrifying prospect.

 

[TheQ22]

I don't fear this theosophic perspective very much, because I think that there is every reason to believe that consciousness ends at the brain. All evidence points to consciousness being a kind of information processing carried out by neurons, which can and will be terminated when the neural machinery responsible begins to fail. There is still much to learn however so fear is justified, because there are still so many unknowns. I'm much more fearful of the idea that when we die, just just return as another conscious being; that we are condemned to experience this horribly flawed reality. It would be as if we have been put to work in a never-ending labour camp. And maybe next time around I'll be a cow doomed to slaughter, a terminally ill child, a victim of obscene torture, and so on. The capacity for suffering is immense, and It is a terrifying prospect.

I don't see how we can return, since if you look at population were now at almost 7.5 Billion, in 1955 it was 2.5 Billion and in 1700 about 600 million.

So there's like more than 10 times of us than in even 1700. So there must be "new" organisms being born, and if there's new organisms being born then they are probably all new organisms. Why would we come back?

Doesn't make sense to me, I think it's more something people want to believe because they don't want to think that when they die that's it.

 

[Escargot Shorts]

And maybe next time around I'll be a cow doomed to slaughter, a terminally ill child, a victim of obscene torture, and so on.

right, and those are all like, more remarkable things to be with awful deaths, not even counting the super mundane lives or deaths billions encountered. i could end up a potato farmer in the 1600s who dies of botulism at 24. and that would have been a pretty full life!
ooh, speaking of "new" organisms, would this imply that anyone was reincarnated in like, that cloned sheep from the 90s? i don't really subscribe to reincarnation (lol that makes it sound like a service [the catch is, you have to unsubscribe during your next lifetime but unless you outwardly deny it, you'll just forget and it'll happen again]) so i just like all the dumb, fun thoughts you can make up from it.

"oh yeah, in my last life i was reincarnated as a dormant bacterial cell in frozen water found on mars. apparently i was a big deal but i didn't really see the point, it was mostly really boring"

 

[Superdeterminist]

I don't see how we can return, since if you look at population were now at almost 7.5 Billion, in 1955 it was 2.5 Billion and in 1700 about 600 million.

So there's like more than 10 times of us than in even 1700. So there must be "new" organisms being born, and if there's new organisms being born then they are probably all new organisms. Why would we come back?

Doesn't make sense to me, I think it's more something people want to believe because they don't want to think that when they die that's it.

It is not a case of individuals returning, but simply consciousness will return. Non-existence cannot be experienced (this is the assumption), there is nothing it is like to be dead, but there is something it is like to be alive, as you well know. Identity is just a secondary phenomenon because we are individual brains, it's just a question of awareness vs non-awareness, and death is a state of complete non-awareness. There is good reason to believe that death will be like a dreamless sleep, but you 'wake up' as a new sentient creature. Nothing connects your past self to your next one.

 

[TheQ22]

I agree with what you say about death being unimaginable because we can only try to visualise it by imagining it through the perspective of experiencing something. But I can't believe we come back as a new sentient creature. At least I hope not.

 

[Superdeterminist]

right, and those are all like, more remarkable things to be with awful deaths, not even counting the super mundane lives or deaths billions encountered. i could end up a potato farmer in the 1600s who dies of botulism at 24. and that would have been a pretty full life!
ooh, speaking of "new" organisms, would this imply that anyone was reincarnated in like, that cloned sheep from the 90s? i don't really subscribe to reincarnation (lol that makes it sound like a service [the catch is, you have to unsubscribe during your next lifetime but unless you outwardly deny it, you'll just forget and it'll happen again]) so i just like all the dumb, fun thoughts you can make up from it.

"oh yeah, in my last life i was reincarnated as a dormant bacterial cell in frozen water found on mars. apparently i was a big deal but i didn't really see the point, it was mostly really boring"

It's terrifying to consider the horrors that have already been experienced, like someone actually had to go through all that. And, that we may have been that experience, but just don't know it. Although, I don't think we would be returning to a time in the past, due to the apparent uni-directional nature of time? I could be wrong on this, I'm no physicist. And yes, assuming that sheep are conscious with some sense of self, then that holds some truth, (but it's not exactly that someone reincarnated into the sheep, I think you're just using the word loosely here and recognise that?) it's just that consciousness recurred.

 

[torimandy]

I'm a a Theistic Satanist - I don't believe in the church of satanist's views.

Sorry. No offense meant. Whats sad is the only people who know the difference are satanist. I am personally nothing but an atheist.

 

[Escargot Shorts]

It's terrifying to consider the horrors that have already been experienced, like someone actually had to go through all that. And, that we may have been that experience, but just don't know it. Although, I don't think we would be returning to a time in the past, due to the apparent uni-directional nature of time? I could be wrong on this, I'm no physicist. And yes, assuming that sheep are conscious with some sense of self, then that holds some truth, (but it's not exactly that someone reincarnated into the sheep, I think you're just using the word loosely here and recognise that?) it's just that consciousness recurred.

exactly. i can look at it as if consciousness is like energy, neither created nor destroyed, but it feels like such a theory that can't be tested/proven (unless you like to believe in shit like 'this child knew about a past event he should've had no idea about!' or 'this person died traumatically and now the PTSD has been passed down to someone else') that i might as well have fun with it.

and yea, i can't actually see the existential horror in it. like, sure, it's like a big wow thing, but it's just more interesting and fun to play with conceptually. considering that taking it seriously won't have much of an effect anyway

 

[RedDEE]

Sorry. No offense meant. Whats sad is the only people who know the difference are satanist. I am personally nothing but an atheist.

No offense taken. This is an issue I am very passionate about however.

Non-Theistic Satanists such The Church Of Satan and those that follow them, believe that Satan does not exist. They're just "edgy" atheists. They call themselves Satanists but literally don't believe Satan exists. Theistic Satanists, on the other hand, believe Satan exists.

I know Satan exists. I follow the rites of The Temple of Black Light.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I don't think we would be returning to a time in the past, due to the apparent uni-directional nature of time?

But Buddhism says time is an illusion.
if Buddhism is right about reincarnation, then it is also probably right about time, so I see no reason why reincarnation and karma couldn't be retroactive.