Venting suicide awareness

[emma99]

Okay, Im sorry, But i am so sick and tierd of all this suicide awareness crap.
I mean stop would ya.

These people talk out their arse. they actually believe that they know what
they are talking about, and act like they have some sort of supernatural power
to save people. when they don't. That's how people in cults think.

also wtf is up with the phrase "Suicidal ideation"
I mean i'm sorry, but the term, "Suicidal ideation" should be laughed at.
It implies that suicide is just an idea and therefore it can be argued with

I mean i get it right, when people ctb, those who are left behind, are left to carry the pain
but not everyone has family or even a loving family at that but

If someone is thinking of suicide then clearly either one of three things is going on.
They either have a mental illness, and so they don't really want to die.
They have some sort of terminal illness and want to get things over with
or their life is so horrible that they do want to die.

And if someones life is so horrible that they want to die
then how in gods name is treating this person
as the cause of the suicidal tenancy going to fix anything?

to treat the symptoms, you must treat the cause right?
I mean to fight covid they locked everyone down,
but to fight suicide you never see them go after the bullies.

If little Jimmy is being bullied in school and cant strand up for himself
then someone needs to go bully Jimmy's bullies.
its that simple. Medicating jimmy up to his eye balls
in anti depressants and anti psychotics isn't really going to do much
other than make little jimmy constipated, over weight. and zombiefied
Which really is only going to make little jimmy, who is now big dopey jimmy
an even bigger target for bullies.

I'm just venting here because there really isn't a profession i hate more than
psychiatry. Its Just all bullshit.

I seen a documentary the last day of a woman whose life was destroyed for ten years
because these so called doctors, who really are nothing more than glorified psychopaths
fed her Prozac because she was depressed at 16years of age.
The poor girl started getting hallucinations and then the bastards
tried to tell her she was schizophrenic

 

[sos]

when one is depressed, there's something missing / wrong in their brain, it doesn't function as it should, hence the reason why they are mainly focused on the one that's experiencing depression

i agree with u

but in "jimmy's" situation, bullying the bully wouldn't the solution though, would it?

jimmy got bullied, jimmy gets depressed
the bully gets bullied, the bully gets depressed
the bully's bully gets bullied, the bully's bully gets depressed

how would bullying the bully cure jimmy's depression?

the damage has been done once the bullying has taken place

jimmy will need to find a way to get over it in some kind of way

might be therapy
might be medication
might be ctb
might be as simple as moving on with his life rather than sitting in a dark room

 

[EvisceratedJester]

also wtf is up with the phrase "Suicidal ideation"
I mean i'm sorry, but the term, "Suicidal ideation" should be laughed at.

A common aspect of being suicidal includes having a lot of thoughts that revolve around different ideas on how one can kill themself, so the term makes sense in my book.

Your "three things" when it comes to suicide don't apply to everyone who is suicidal. I, for one, am not mentally ill, terminally ill, nor has my life been horrible and I still want to die.

Another thing, even going by the Jimmy example, Jimmy may still need to be treated for any potential mental illnesses or trauma he may have gained from being bullied. He may still require treatment in order to not feel suicidal anymore, which potentially includes psych meds and therapy. I don't like psychiatry at all, but this isn't that good of an argument. The issue with things like bullying isn't just the immediate threat (the bully), but it's also the longterm psychological effects it can have on the victim. These effects, which can impact one's suicidality, require treatment, even if the bully has already been dealt with.

 

[emma99]

A common aspect of being suicidal includes having a lot of thoughts that revolve around different ideas on how one can kill themself, so the term makes sense in my book.

Your "three things" when it comes to suicide don't apply to everyone who is suicidal. I, for one, am not mentally ill, terminally ill, nor has my life been horrible and I still want to die.

Another thing, even going by the Jimmy example, Jimmy may still need to be treated for any potential mental illnesses or trauma he may have gained from being bullied. He may still require treatment in order to not feel suicidal anymore, which potentially includes psych meds and therapy. I don't like psychiatry at all, but this isn't that good of an argument. The issue with things like bullying isn't just the immediate threat (the bully), but it's also the longterm psychological effects it can have on the victim. These effects, which can impact one's suicidality, require treatment, even if the bully has already been dealt with.

so why is it you want to die?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

so why is it you want to die?

At this point, living a long life just doesn't appeal to me.

 

[chester]

Okay, Im sorry, But i am so sick and tierd of all this suicide awareness crap.
I mean stop would ya.

These people talk out their arse. they actually believe that they know what
they are talking about, and act like they have some sort of supernatural power
to save people. when they don't. That's how people in cults think.

also wtf is up with the phrase "Suicidal ideation"
I mean i'm sorry, but the term, "Suicidal ideation" should be laughed at.
It implies that suicide is just an idea and therefore it can be argued with

I mean i get it right, when people ctb, those who are left behind, are left to carry the pain
but not everyone has family or even a loving family at that but

If someone is thinking of suicide then clearly either one of three things is going on.
They either have a mental illness, and so they don't really want to die.
They have some sort of terminal illness and want to get things over with
or their life is so horrible that they do want to die.

And if someones life is so horrible that they want to die
then how in gods name is treating this person
as the cause of the suicidal tenancy going to fix anything?

to treat the symptoms, you must treat the cause right?
I mean to fight covid they locked everyone down,
but to fight suicide you never see them go after the bullies.

If little Jimmy is being bullied in school and cant strand up for himself
then someone needs to go bully Jimmy's bullies.
its that simple. Medicating jimmy up to his eye balls
in anti depressants and anti psychotics isn't really going to do much
other than make little jimmy constipated, over weight. and zombiefied
Which really is only going to make little jimmy, who is now big dopey jimmy
an even bigger target for bullies.

I'm just venting here because there really isn't a profession i hate more than
psychiatry. Its Just all bullshit.

I seen a documentary the last day of a woman whose life was destroyed for ten years
because these so called doctors, who really are nothing more than glorified psychopaths
fed her Prozac because she was depressed at 16years of age.
The poor girl started getting hallucinations and then the bastards
tried to tell her she was schizophrenic

I think it all depends on the person's situation. It might be the case, that someone is suffering from an illness which can be cured or at least treated and the suicidal thoughts will go away. And here's where I'm going to start venting as well. Modern medicine assumes this is always the case. You're healthy only if you want to stay alive, otherwise you're broken and need to be fixed. Your reasons, your life situation, it's all irrelevant. Their goal is to keep you alive at all costs, even if it makes you suffer more. Makes me wonder what happened to "primum non nocere".

 

[emma99]

Modern medicine assumes this is always the case. You're healthy only if you want to stay alive, otherwise you're broken and need to be fixed. Your reasons, your life situation, it's all irrelevant. Their goal is to keep you alive at all costs, even if it makes you suffer more. Makes me wonder what happened to "primum non nocere".

Modern Medicine is a joke.
The thing that annoys me most about it is the medication which psychiatrists give ppl
I had a friend before who was diagnosed as bipolar.
Here life was a mess and she was never happy.
The meds actually were not helping.

The poor woman smoked as well, which can be common for ppl with mental disorders.
But the med's they were giving her was causing her hands to shake all the time.
I mean she would have tremors all day long/. and so she could not roll her own cigarette.
So she had to buy actual cigarettes and she couldnt afford it.

She used to go begging just for money so she could smoke.
And if they just changed her medication she would of been able
to smoke tobacco. It was really sad to see.

Further more Iv been in those hospitals myself,
and most ppl i met in there either commit suicide or they
come off the medications. Its really sad.

Also psychiatrists make his claim that there research
has shown that their medications work and improve
ppls quality of life. But like i was getting hemeroids
from the meds because i was that constipated.

Its proper physical suffering, that they think is okay
because they have 'stopped' the mental sufferiing.
but believe me when i tell you,
those meds only ever made my mental suffering worse.

I mean i spoke to a psychologist before who told me that
psychologists have ways to treat ppl with bipolar.
Yet the psychiatrists, or should we just say drug dealers
for big pharama. some how are given a higher level of
authority over ppl.

its almost as if modern medicine has bought its way into
some sort of power grab. I mean thew catholic church did
it all over the world before, so theres no reason
big pharma cant.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

when one is depressed, there's something missing / wrong in their brain, it doesn't function as it should, hence the reason why they are mainly focused on the one that's experiencing depression

Would you say that the brains of parents who are chronically depressed due to the death of their child is malfunctioning?

I think there's "chemical imbalance" depression which is genuinely a medical issue, and "life has been garbage" depression which is a quality of life issue.

You can treat both with medication and in both cases patients are likely to get better. But the latter might have had genuine problems to solve which would have also cured their depression. Sans medication. In this sense, their brain was never functioning incorrectly. They probably already knew beforehand what the solutions could be, but were depressed because they couldn't access those solutions to begin with.

 

[Darkover]

If you prevent people from committing suicide but do not alleviate their suffering, you are trapping them, not saving them.
You should prevent their suicide by alleviating their suffering.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

This society is such a shit show really. If people cbt, it is not profitable for the doctors, the government, the corporations. In short, it is in their best business interests to keep us alive. And then there are also regular people with their toxic positivity - I am glad there is a word for that now - they don't want to let anybody go either because of their own stupidity and a closed mind.

I hope that one day the society will be open-minded enough to allow everyone to cbt whenever they wish. It won't happen for at least another 500 years though I think lol.