Discussion Suicide as a Rational Act: The Abandonment of Life for Existential Uselessness

[L'absent]

Suicide is not always the result of unbearable suffering or extreme psychological pain. There is another form of suicide, less discussed and more complex, which can be motivated by a rational reflection on the futility of human existence. In this case, the decision to end one's life does not arise from a need to escape pain, but from a deep belief that life, as a whole, is devoid of meaning or purpose. The individual who comes to this conclusion does so not to avoid direct suffering, but to avoid an existence that he considers useless, insignificant and worthless, in a world that seems condemned to incessant and purposeless repetition. In this thread, I will explore suicide as an act of "extreme rationality", in which the person is not driven by an impulsive self-destructive impulse, but by a clear-headed and cold evaluation of life as a sequence of random, painful events without intrinsic purpose . Here, suicide is not an act of desperation, but a conscious and reflective choice, a way to "exit" from a game that the individual perceives as futile and meaningless.

The Rationality of Suicide

When it comes to suicide, the common view tends to focus on acute psychological suffering, desperation and the desire to be free from pain. But there is also another type of suicide that has a rational basis: a clear-eyed analysis of human life as a flow of events that lead to nothing significant. In this case, the suicidal person does not see life as something to "fight", but as a useless sequence of experiences that are not worth living. Suicide in this context can be seen as an act of "extreme rationality", a thought that is not driven by uncontrollable emotions, but by an intellectual evaluation of the value of existence. If life is perceived as an endless cycle of aimless activity, where every moment is a struggle against time and suffering (physical, psychological, social), then death may seem like the most logical choice. The person who commits suicide for this reason does not do so to avoid immediate pain, but to avoid a future that he considers inevitably painful and meaningless.

In this context, the suicidal act is not dictated by an irrational impulse, but by a clear reflection on the fact that life, despite its experiences and occasional joys, is a process without an ultimate goal or a higher purpose . Death therefore becomes the rational solution to the "madness" of existence itself, an exit from a cycle that appears meaningless.

Escape from the "Possibility of Pain"

Another motivation that can push a person to commit suicide in a rational manner is the desire to avoid an existence that is seen as intrinsically dangerous. Human life is a succession of random events, many of which can lead to "inhuman" and "dehumanizing" physical and emotional suffering. Illnesses, accidents, failures, loneliness: existence is seen for what it is... like a constant risk, a Russian roulette in which suffering can emerge at any moment, without warning.

In this scenario, suicide is not a reaction to immediate suffering, but a choice based on the assessment of existential risk. The suicidal person doesn't just want to "escape" immediate pain, but wants to avoid a life that is a minefield of painful possibilities. Death becomes a way out of an existence where every day could be the day the body or mind gives in under the weight of pain. For those who adopt this vision, life is not seen as a good to be preserved at all costs, but as a constant risk of pain and suffering. Death becomes a "rational" solution to avoid the worst, to avoid exposing oneself to the risk of an incurable disease, a devastating accident, or a life of loneliness and frustration. In this context, suicide is a choice that does not arise from the fear of pain, but from the awareness that life is a series of "traps" in which each step can lead to unmanageable suffering.

The Culture of the "Meaning of Life" and its Denial

Suicide as a rational act arises not only from an individual assessment of the risk and value of life, but also from the denial of cultural narratives that glorify life and survival. Western culture, for example, is imbued with a strong pro-life value, where survival is considered a universal and inalienable value. Life is presented as a gift not to be wasted, an opportunity that must be lived to the fullest, in all its facets. This cultural vision, however, can be overwhelming for those who come to perceive existence as purposeless, a series of acts that lead to nothing significant. Indeed, the pro-life culture itself can become a factor that pushes suicide: the individual who rejects the narrative of the "struggle for survival" and the "search for meaning" may feel alienated and overwhelmed by the pressure of having to "continue to live" only to adhere to a social norm that has no meaning. The culture that glorifies life as a value in itself can be unbearable for those who have stopped deluding themselves that living has an ultimate goal or intrinsic value.
In this sense, suicide is not just an act of rejection of suffering, but a rational response to the culture of "live at all costs". The person who commits suicide in this way rejects the idea that life must be lived, that all suffering must be faced, and that time on Earth must be "spent" in some way. Suicide becomes an act of wisdom against the cultural norm of entertaining suffering and tortured living beings that requires survival, a choice that arises from the clear reflection that life, in itself, no longer has anything to offer.

Conclusions

Suicide as a rational act is neither the result of irrational desperation nor an act of weakness, but a decision that arises from a clear-eyed evaluation of life as something devoid of meaning and purpose. In this context, suicide is not an escape from immediate suffering, but a rational and conscious response to the knowledge that life is a constant risk of pain and that it has no intrinsic value that justifies its continuation. Death, therefore, is not seen as a tragic end, but as a lucid solution to an existence that appears useless and aimless.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Life is Not only meaningless but also meaningless extreme torture prison slavery an evil imposition

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand as I'd personally always prefer to not exist, I see no point, benefit and value to existence rather I see existence as a terrible, tragic mistake, I find it deeply undesirable to exist at all, existing to me will always be the most cruel, futile burden that I've never had any interest in. There are no disadvantages to non-existence yet there is no limit as to how much one can suffer in this existence I always saw as so unnecessary, what I ultimately have a problem with is existence itself, it just causes suffering all for the sake of it and problems there was never a need for, I'd never wish to be conscious of any of this at all.

 

[Nadir]

im not gonna read all that but yeah i basically agree, but the suffering remains. Popular understood terms: depression, anxiety etc. People cite pain because they can understand that and it affirms the idea that "life is worth living!" and that person just had something wrong with them. To truly see life for what it is, a kind of play pretend delusion, a godless void of pain, a mistake of evolution an error of consciousness, takes far more reflection than most can handle. Just slap the term depression on it and be done. DONT you dare, ever, consider that life isnt worth living and to leave is actually very simple, the mere idea, seriously posed is unthinkable, too painful for most.

 

[Sutter]

Suicide is not always the result of unbearable suffering or extreme psychological pain. There is another form of suicide, less discussed and more complex, which can be motivated by a rational reflection on the futility of human existence. In this case, the decision to end one's life does not arise from a need to escape pain, but from a deep belief that life, as a whole, is devoid of meaning or purpose. The individual who comes to this conclusion does so not to avoid direct suffering, but to avoid an existence that he considers useless, insignificant and worthless, in a world that seems condemned to incessant and purposeless repetition. In this thread, I will explore suicide as an act of "extreme rationality", in which the person is not driven by an impulsive self-destructive impulse, but by a clear-headed and cold evaluation of life as a sequence of random, painful events without intrinsic purpose . Here, suicide is not an act of desperation, but a conscious and reflective choice, a way to "exit" from a game that the individual perceives as futile and meaningless.

The Rationality of Suicide

When it comes to suicide, the common view tends to focus on acute psychological suffering, desperation and the desire to be free from pain. But there is also another type of suicide that has a rational basis: a clear-eyed analysis of human life as a flow of events that lead to nothing significant. In this case, the suicidal person does not see life as something to "fight", but as a useless sequence of experiences that are not worth living. Suicide in this context can be seen as an act of "extreme rationality", a thought that is not driven by uncontrollable emotions, but by an intellectual evaluation of the value of existence. If life is perceived as an endless cycle of aimless activity, where every moment is a struggle against time and suffering (physical, psychological, social), then death may seem like the most logical choice. The person who commits suicide for this reason does not do so to avoid immediate pain, but to avoid a future that he considers inevitably painful and meaningless.

In this context, the suicidal act is not dictated by an irrational impulse, but by a clear reflection on the fact that life, despite its experiences and occasional joys, is a process without an ultimate goal or a higher purpose . Death therefore becomes the rational solution to the "madness" of existence itself, an exit from a cycle that appears meaningless.

Escape from the "Possibility of Pain"

Another motivation that can push a person to commit suicide in a rational manner is the desire to avoid an existence that is seen as intrinsically dangerous. Human life is a succession of random events, many of which can lead to "inhuman" and "dehumanizing" physical and emotional suffering. Illnesses, accidents, failures, loneliness: existence is seen for what it is... like a constant risk, a Russian roulette in which suffering can emerge at any moment, without warning.

In this scenario, suicide is not a reaction to immediate suffering, but a choice based on the assessment of existential risk. The suicidal person doesn't just want to "escape" immediate pain, but wants to avoid a life that is a minefield of painful possibilities. Death becomes a way out of an existence where every day could be the day the body or mind gives in under the weight of pain. For those who adopt this vision, life is not seen as a good to be preserved at all costs, but as a constant risk of pain and suffering. Death becomes a "rational" solution to avoid the worst, to avoid exposing oneself to the risk of an incurable disease, a devastating accident, or a life of loneliness and frustration. In this context, suicide is a choice that does not arise from the fear of pain, but from the awareness that life is a series of "traps" in which each step can lead to unmanageable suffering.

The Culture of the "Meaning of Life" and its Denial

Suicide as a rational act arises not only from an individual assessment of the risk and value of life, but also from the denial of cultural narratives that glorify life and survival. Western culture, for example, is imbued with a strong pro-life value, where survival is considered a universal and inalienable value. Life is presented as a gift not to be wasted, an opportunity that must be lived to the fullest, in all its facets. This cultural vision, however, can be overwhelming for those who come to perceive existence as purposeless, a series of acts that lead to nothing significant. Indeed, the pro-life culture itself can become a factor that pushes suicide: the individual who rejects the narrative of the "struggle for survival" and the "search for meaning" may feel alienated and overwhelmed by the pressure of having to "continue to live" only to adhere to a social norm that has no meaning. The culture that glorifies life as a value in itself can be unbearable for those who have stopped deluding themselves that living has an ultimate goal or intrinsic value.
In this sense, suicide is not just an act of rejection of suffering, but a rational response to the culture of "live at all costs". The person who commits suicide in this way rejects the idea that life must be lived, that all suffering must be faced, and that time on Earth must be "spent" in some way. Suicide becomes an act of wisdom against the cultural norm of entertaining suffering and tortured living beings that requires survival, a choice that arises from the clear reflection that life, in itself, no longer has anything to offer.

Conclusions

Suicide as a rational act is neither the result of irrational desperation nor an act of weakness, but a decision that arises from a clear-eyed evaluation of life as something devoid of meaning and purpose. In this context, suicide is not an escape from immediate suffering, but a rational and conscious response to the knowledge that life is a constant risk of pain and that it has no intrinsic value that justifies its continuation. Death, therefore, is not seen as a tragic end, but as a lucid solution to an existence that appears useless and aimless.

Precipice.

Next level of evolution or a moving past of feelings. The rational view of seeing no rules, no accomplishment, no desire, no loss, in some ways seems devoid of the emotional kit humanity carries on a daily basis, not that advanced my self.

The place of suicide in my limited view, that is still in flux, is along the same lines. It all is felt as futile, lack of meaning, lack of purpose. Came there a different way but the vista sees all of us, but by different roads. Death is a choice of nay, to a life that had the same traits for a logical end as an emotional or mental end. Could debate much the same for a physical one. The known option to live with all the atrocities and clear calculations of no meaning and purpose, loses out to something unknown. Because the unknown is not as worn and holds the promise of an end, a finishing of suffering, a bow out from the game, or a muttering of piss off.

Strange or mixed well. A person who is pro life brings a grin sometimes. How close they are in proselytizing their belief to others as zealous in opposition, and the roads so close.

I can understand stopping, just letting fists hang and a fight drop, did that myself at times. Maybe the higher faculties of reason are where we all end up at some point seeing the futility of it all. I never lived for a noble idea, never attained a calm logical sense of non existence is best. Neither did I live for a man in the sky, or any other religion. I was a straight in the mud barbarian, surviving because it was what was on the plate, the only thing on the plate. It was a notion of kindness that settled me a bit, the small animal moments of playing and pouncing that kept me going for a bit.

In the end though although a logical decision without other factors culminated in deaths firm grip, I am coming to the same conclusion but from an old goat trail up to the same precipice a person smarter than me found sooner. I'm not absent of thought, simple in my ways, but still climbing and wondering what the view looks like from where your standing, thank you taking a moment to let me see.