Suicide and transcendence

[absolomonisgone]

when person decide to kill self i think he has transcended the human condition for he is above all human fears worries concerns pettiness meaningless suffering etc. he see others as trapped in all that and he thinks he is free a super human. he see all the delusions of humans and he is above them. he thinks he is superior because he has accepted the ultimate truth of death and all is vanity and understands it not like cliché rhetoric words that all is vanity but lives it and knows it. other persons that live in delusions don't like that and must force person to accept and value their delusions like them. if person refuse to accept and value those delusions and he choose his own delusion of seeing suicide as good and refuse other delusions like get job make babies make money be important they call him loser and make him shame. they don't want to accept his delusion is valid like their delusions too. this comforting to all the losers like me.

 

[Darkover]

sucide isn't transcendence it's completle nothingness, what would be amazing is to transcend this very slow universe

 

[Pluto]

A lot of the hidden dysfunctions of individuals which manifest as collective chaos (war, ecological destruction, etc.) can be traced to a fear of death. The sad irony is that fear causes the very thing it is afraid of.

A lot of truly great people have at some level faced and conquered death. Life without fear is a very different beast.

 

[OutOfTheVoid]

i'll say this: i believe that acknowledging and accepting death, even embracing it, can be a starting point for transcendence. or, inversely, transcendence could lead a person toward such a position. but merely deciding to end one's life isnt transcendence in itself. depends on the reasons for that decision, the circumstances one is in, and where one goes from there. at most it is only a starting point.

already in your post there are a lot of 'human illusions' you yourself have not 'transcended'. you are ascribing biases and assumptions based in illusion, such as assuming a male bias and reifying notions of 'superiority', which are patriarchal anthropocentric constructs of power. you cling to notions of 'truth' and 'good'. not to mention, you condemn 'delusion' as if it is a) inherently 'bad' and b) as if you are not yourself engaging in 'delusions'. everything is delusion--transcendence begins with recognizing that all belief is delusion, all perception is hallucination, and accepting and embracing that lucid awareness, to then go beyond all constructs and biases, to have a quiet mind beyond all presence, nothingness in the now.

 

[absolomonisgone]

i'll say this: i believe that acknowledging and accepting death, even embracing it, can be a starting point for transcendence. or, inversely, transcendence could lead a person toward such a position. but merely deciding to end one's life isnt transcendence in itself. depends on the reasons for that decision, the circumstances one is in, and where one goes from there. at most it is only a starting point.

already in your post there are a lot of 'human illusions' you yourself have not 'transcended'. you are ascribing biases and assumptions based in illusion, such as assuming a male bias and reifying notions of 'superiority', which are patriarchal anthropocentric constructs of power. you cling to notions of 'truth' and 'good'. not to mention, you condemn 'delusion' as if it is a) inherently 'bad' and b) as if you are not yourself engaging in 'delusions'. everything is delusion--transcendence begins with recognizing that all belief is delusion, all perception is hallucination, and accepting and embracing that lucid awareness, to then go beyond all constructs and biases, to have a quiet mind beyond all presence, nothingness in the now.

not understand anything you write only that you said i think i think i don't have delusion. i said i accept my delusion and is also valid. what is this? patriarchal anthropocentric constructs? i am talking about suicide as transcendence not male bias and reifying notions and things i don't understand.

 

[FuneralCry]

Permanently ceasing to exist is the ultimate freedom after all, from this burden that was so cruelly and unnecessarily forced on us. I just see non existence as being something so incredibly beautiful as it's the absence of everything, the non existent cannot suffer and be harmed by anything, instead there is just peace for all eternity. Death really is the only relief from the curse that is existing, and I see suicide as being self care as it's the way to take control over our inevitable fate and prevent all future problems. Having to exist in this world truly is a terrible thing which is why I envy those who are free from it all and lack the ability to be aware of this world. Life really is incredibly futile, we are only destined to suffer, deteriorate and die, and all that I've ever wished for is freedom from this cycle, no matter what I could never want anything to do with existing.

 

[nonialabaster]

Permanently ceasing to exist is the ultimate freedom after all, from this burden that was so cruelly and unnecessarily forced on us. I just see non existence as being something so incredibly beautiful as it's the absence of everything, the non existent cannot suffer and be harmed by anything, instead there is just peace for all eternity. Death really is the only relief from the curse that is existing, and I see suicide as being self care as it's the way to take control over our inevitable fate and prevent all future problems. Having to exist in this world truly is a terrible thing which is why I envy those who are free from it all and lack the ability to be aware of this world. Life really is incredibly futile, we are only destined to suffer, deteriorate and die, and all that I've ever wished for is freedom from this cycle, no matter what I could never want anything to do with existing.

A few days before my husband died, before he had hospice care, he was talkative and eating. I had made a comfy bed for him in our parlor, which looked directly into our bedroom. I was in the bedroom, folding some laundry. I heard him say, "Kristen, Kristen, come see Papa." Kristen was our beloved kitty who was euthanized on our bed the previous September.

He said that he saw her jump down from the bed, tail up, eager to greet him. It made him so happy! The next day, I was in the den, in the back of the house, looking for some paperwork. Mark came hobbling into the kitchen and started going through the pantry. He had kidney cancer that had spread to his brain, at that point, and had lost a lot of weight. I led him back to the parlor. He said he'd seen her again, jumping on the futon in the den. I told him, "She's waiting for you and letting you know that she'll be there, when you cross." It gave him peace.

We were atheists who didn't believe in Heaven or Hell. But, at the end of his life, he was comforted thinking that he would be with her soon. He died with a soft smile on his face, pictures of Kristen surrounding him.

I still don't believe in an afterlife. I rationally know that once you're dead, you're dead, and that's it. But, some part of me wants the hope that I'll see Mark and Kristen when I pass. That we'll all fly around universes together, having a grand time.

 

[Homo erectus]

As people live longer, they naturally become more pro-life, because they think they have more years to lose if people suicide. The psychological barrier to suicide becomes higher. Stronger survival instinct means lower quality of life because people will endure more even if living conditions get worse. Life becomes meaningless survival.

In a sense, the regular warfare in the past might not be a bad thing. It shows people would stand up for their beliefs and values and fight, not just clicking "like".