Suicide and mental health

[regular john]

Why people believe suicide is always related to mental illness ? Why people believe sane ones don't commit suicides ?

 

[roommate]

It's not usual for people wanting to die.
If you want to commit suicide, there is usually a reason for it, that reason can be related to mental illness.

People might not like me for this but; If you want to get more insights and perhaps get better, it's never to late to ask a doctor.

 

[regular john]

It's not usual for people wanting to die.
If you want to commit suicide, there is usually a reason for it, that reason can be related to mental illness.

People might not like me for this but; If you want to get more insights and perhaps get better, it's never to late to ask a doctor.

I am mentally sane but was given bad genetics that make life impossible for me

 

[roommate]

I am mentally sane but was given bad genetics that make life impossible for me

There are still methods that maybe help you with the struggles you're dealing with.
But obviously don't know what you have tried, but I am wishing you well :)

 

[AnotherSadDay]

The reasoning is that someone attempting to end their own life is one of the most unnatural behavior that a living being can do. Even in nature, some behaviors of some animals are categorized as self-destructive (no suicidal) because scientist think the animal dont have the intention to die.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't understand that as to me existence itself is the problem and my wish to permanently cease existing is a response to existence, I'd always prefer to not exist than suffer all for the sake of it in this existence where I'm just waiting to die anyway just to be tortured by old age. Ceasing to exist would be my way to find peace from the burden of existence that was completely unnecessary and just caused suffering all for the sake of it and problems there were never a need for. There are no disadvantages to not existing yet there is no limit as to how unbearable the torture and agony of existing can get, for me non-existence truly is all I see as desirable, it's all I see as positive, all I hope for is peace from the torturous and futile burden of existence that always felt like a mistake to me that I never would had wished for in the first place.

 

[Reflection]

Why people believe suicide is always related to mental illness ? Why people believe sane ones don't commit suicides ?

Always blaming it on mental illness is easier than having to look into the the circumstances that might've drove someone to do it, especially when it comes to holding accountability.

 

[DeathSleep]

People want an easy explanation to answer "why" it happened and saying it was a mental illness wraps things up nicely for them.

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Studies actually do find that around 10% to 60% of people who commit suicide don't have a mental health disorder.

Suicide in individuals with no psychiatric disorders: what makes you vulnerable?

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/117/5/313/7468127#463750782

Most male suicides in U.S. show no link to mental health issues, study reveals

The use of firearms and alcohol consumption are common factors in these deaths, say UCLA and CDC researchers.

newsroom.ucla.edu

There may not be as much research aimed at the cohort without mental illness because it's a heterogeneous group with a variety of factors underlying the suicidal thoughts. For example someone who lost their life savings gambling has a very different profile and needs than someone who has intractable pain from a chronic medical condition. Each group is so small and specialized it's hard to study them, because you need a certain number of volunteers for any medical study.

For the groups who are diagnosed with a mental health disorder there is more incentive and capacity to do research. Funding agencies provide grants for specific mental illnesses, and there are plenty of volunteers for studies who've already been diagnosed. There's also a big need to help these people, for example I have bipolar disorder and the suicide rate is 20% which is among the highest of all disorders. Borderline personality disorder (10% die by suicide) and schizoaffective disorder (13% die by suicide) are also big ones. It makes sense to target those groups because they have suicide rates that are 20-30 times the general population.

 

[areyousafe??]

Depression is a mental illness, the majority of people who commit suicide are depressed.

 

[Rymrgand]

What do you mean with mental illness? Being insane and having a mental illness is not necessarily the same, I think. Depression, for example, is a mental illness.

Even if your reasons to CTB are rational, if your suffering is so severe that you want to do it, then you are physically or mentally ill. Why would a healthy person want to CTB if they are not suffering?

 

[regular john]

I don't understand that as to me existence itself is the problem and my wish to permanently cease existing is a response to existence, I'd always prefer to not exist than suffer all for the sake of it in this existence where I'm just waiting to die anyway just to be tortured by old age. Ceasing to exist would be my way to find peace from the burden of existence that was completely unnecessary and just caused suffering all for the sake of it and problems there were never a need for. There are no disadvantages to not existing yet there is no limit as to how unbearable the torture and agony of existing can get, for me non-existence truly is all I see as desirable, it's all I see as positive, all I hope for is peace from the torturous and futile burden of existence that always felt like a mistake to me that I never would had wished for in the first place.

Well said