suicidal as a christian

[pawlessz]

im acctualy so done i cant take it anymore i wana ctb already but the only thing stopping me from it is my beliefs, since ctbing is a big sin and i cant do anything with it, i cant stop beliving help

 

[LaVieEnRose]

In line with your faith I would counter that fear and say the greatest gift God gave man is free will.

 

[ForeverBroken]

I'm right there with you. Being Catholic is one of the best things (at least for me). But the fact that suicide is considered a mortal sin is baffling to me at times. I feel that God, in all of his love, would have mercy and understanding if I took my own life. But am I wrong? I don't know. It's probably the one thing that keeps me from taking that final step. Probably not any help to you but maybe talk to your minister or priest and get their thoughts on it.

 

[DoomValuer]

If this helps, remember the first line of the slaughterhouse song "I'm probably finna go to hell any way" if it comforts you (as an atheist, I think God is a bit strict anyways)

 

[WonderingSoul]

I remember when I was a christian and I thought the same. It didn't stop me from attempting though. I thought maybe god would understand my pain.

 

[LetMeBeSad]

Personally I believe this is a simulation and the story of Jesus could have been the creator inserting himself into the creation. Similar to a minecraft server owner signing in to their own server.

Is it true? Probably not. But I like the idea, and I believe it's within biblical bounds. However, not many people agree with me. Christian or otherwise.

The Bible, or any holy book really, can be interpreted however the reader wishes to interpret it. That's why there are over 40000 Christian denominations. Many of which don't even agree on the composition of the Bible. Let alone what any of it means.

But I think the unreconcilable conflict between suicide and Christianity is the idea that there is no hope for this life. Suicide communicates that there is no answer to despair and no comfort in affliction. This is the opposite of what the gospel promises.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

This is just my belief and not intended to have any bearing on yours, but the I think the whole idea of religion and God is brainwashy BS.

If there is an Almighty, then he/she/it should be embarrassed of this maggot-infested existence that he/she/it created and go find another day job.

 

[MrDarkness]

It never states in the bible that suicide is a sin. Sure you can say self murder, but self murder is a grey term, anything can count as self murder, if your Christian you know god will take you when he sees fit, wether that's suicide or a heart attack etc

 

[pawlessz]

It never states in the bible that suicide is a sin. Sure you can say self murder, but self murder is a grey term, anything can count as self murder, if your Christian you know god will take you when he sees fit, wether that's suicide or a heart attack etc

The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die. We should say with the psalmist, "My times are in your hands" (Psalm 31:15).

God is the giver of life. He gives, and He takes away (Job 1:21). Suicide, the taking of one's own life, is ungodly because it rejects God's gift of life. No man or woman should presume to take God's authority upon themselves to end his or her own life.

 

[suicidal flapper]

I can't comment much on beliefs but just know you don't deserve hell. You don't deserve that. It does not matter what a god says in-regards to that. You did not consent to life and you did not consent to this horrible agony. Any god or being that says otherwise is a monster and deserves not an ounce of respect

 

[underthedatetree]

The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die. We should say with the psalmist, "My times are in your hands" (Psalm 31:15).

God is the giver of life. He gives, and He takes away (Job 1:21). Suicide, the taking of one's own life, is ungodly because it rejects God's gift of life. No man or woman should presume to take God's authority upon themselves to end his or her own life.

Sorry to chime having not read the bible but don't many christians view soldiers killing in war and self defense as "exemptions" to that commandment? That always seemed to bizarre to me, that wanting to end your pain is more sinful than killing a fellow man to protect yourself/family

 

[tiger b]

Presuming the same source as Pawlessz:

'It is a sad fact that some Christians have committed suicide. Adding to the tragedy is the false teaching that committing suicide automatically consigns one to hell. Many believe that a Christian who commits suicide will not be saved. This teaching is not supported in the Bible.

Scripture teaches that, from the moment we truly believe in Christ, we are guaranteed eternal life (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God's love (Romans 8:38–39). No "created thing" can separate a Christian from God's love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a "created thing"; therefore, not even suicide can separate a Christian from God's love. Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, his sin is still covered by the blood of Christ.'

I think that is straightforward enough.

 

[pawlessz]

Presuming the same source as Pawlessz:

'It is a sad fact that some Christians have committed suicide. Adding to the tragedy is the false teaching that committing suicide automatically consigns one to hell. Many believe that a Christian who commits suicide will not be saved. This teaching is not supported in the Bible.

Scripture teaches that, from the moment we truly believe in Christ, we are guaranteed eternal life (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God's love (Romans 8:38–39). No "created thing" can separate a Christian from God's love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a "created thing"; therefore, not even suicide can separate a Christian from God's love. Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, his sin is still covered by the blood of Christ.'

I think that is straightforward enough

that gives me hope thank you

 

[just_a_guy]

Have you ever considered that Christ's death was a form of suicide? He went willingly to the cross, no fighting, no kicking or screaming. That feels like suicide to me. We just call it sacrifice because of his motivations. Potato - Potaato

 

[ayb]

christianity is a cancer

 

[SVEN]

I'm no authority, however surely Samson committed both suicide and murder in his death and he is favourably mentioned in Hebrews 11. And, of course, King Saul chose death rather than being captured after being wounded in battle.
I find it strange that anyone would feel that we can understand and empathise with wounded and weary souls who have just had too much to carry on, yet we don't feel that a Creator would get it.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

It's NEVER mentioned in the bible that suicide is a sin.
Suicide as a sin wasn't introduced into Christianity until 6AD AFTER the bible was written.

 

[BlazingBob]

I believe this belief originated with St. Augustine. Dead people don't tithe, make good slaves, pay taxes, or make good consumers. It's the same reason suicide was/is illegal. Stealing from the king. After all we're government property. Our owners can't stand the fact that suicide is the one freedom they can't take away from us. I think it all comes down to control.

 

[tiger b]

World population is estimated at around 200 million in St Augustine's time (most sources agree). Today it's 40 times that. There's more people now in Nigeria then globally, in those times. I wonder would we have different beliefs on suicide if the population levels were of a greater size then, if medicine was as advanced as now, etc. There's plenty of fresh meat for the grinder these days.

 

[BlazingBob]

The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the only one who is to decide when and how a person should die. We should say with the psalmist, "My times are in your hands" (Psalm 31:15).

God is the giver of life. He gives, and He takes away (Job 1:21). Suicide, the taking of one's own life, is ungodly because it rejects God's gift of life. No man or woman should presume to take God's authority upon themselves to end his or her own life.

Life is no gift, at least not mine anyway.

 

[tiger b]

Have you ever considered that Christ's death was a form of suicide? He went willingly to the cross, no fighting, no kicking or screaming. That feels like suicide to me. We just call it sacrifice because of his motivations. Potato - Potaato

Interesting, but I personally think that's a bit of a stretch. His way wasn't violence (money lender's tables excepted). He knew the scriptures, knew the inevitable was coming - and was troubled about that in the days before he clearly resigned himself to his fate. This is from memory, as I've no desire to read it all again. And as you say, his motivations change matters. He wasn't really doing it for himself at all. Just my opinion.

And if you believe in the Resurrection, then it's definitely not suicide. I'm not sure if I do or not, and I personally don't think it really matters.

Of course, most of that's going on the Bible, and it's up to the individual to decide how accurate or inaccurate it is, in whole, in parts, whatever.

 

[just_a_guy]

(money lender's tables excepted).

hahaha

 

[daydreams]

Christianity is man-made
Don't worry there is no heaven and hell
At least there is no proof that it exists

 

[pawlessz]

Christianity is man-made
Don't worry there is no heaven and hell
At least there is no proof that it exists

i wish but i have my own proof and experience

 

[hino_rei]

if you're going to believe in a demiurge then believe in your own version of god not one that has been forced upon you, put yourself in the shoes of someone from a culture that's completely detached from christianity (Japan for example), and try to perceive it from their perspective where they don't give a single fuck about jesus and the cross, they care about christian mythology as little as you care about oriental spiritualism, meaning that the reason why you feel anxiety from thinking about these concepts is entirely social conditioning, which can be remedied
religious values are a consequence of wanting to create values which are beneficial for society, therefore the reason why christianity condemns suicide is not because you're going to go to hell through magical means, but because the creators of this belief system wished for their subjects to not commit suicide, for a multitude of reasons, it's completely arbitrarily established, meaning there's no reason for you to not assume that god will not reward you in the after-life for committing suicide, it would be a belief that is as valid (or invalid, depends on how you perceive it) as the one that's offered by christian dogma, pre-christian pagan europe did not condemn suicide for example
i suffer from severe pure-O OCD and for most of my teenage years i struggled with religious/existentialist OCD, if i could overcome it (not entirely obviously), then probably so can you, christianity is a vengeful religion which seeks to destroy those who are individualists, incapable of conforming, it discourages and punishes open-minded thinking, what else can be deduced from the religion of which the core belief is "do what i say and think what i say, otherwise you're going to suffer for eternity"? it's ultimately an immensely harmful and limiting belief which you should discard or replace with something that you feel is actually beneficial (preferably of your own creation)

 

[DoomValuer]

Putting questions about Christianity actually being real, Romans 10:13 says "Everyone who calls on the Lord will be saved", even if they're suicidal, hope this also helps :D

 

[hxppythxught]

i feel as if god will love all of his children even despite CTB. even if dying is sinful and whatnot, he loves you no matter what you decide to do.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

Religion is nothing more than fairy tale bullshit. Like Santa Claus. It exists to control and manipulate people so that they behave and think a certain way. There is nothing you have to worry about. Or do you actually believe that a incompetent and lazy old man is living in the sky who has been hiding since billions of years, and doesn't do anything for anyone?

 

[Raindancer]

it's disheartening to see some of the responses here. Maybe using "I feel" sentences or expressing it as in my opinion only, might be a better way. There are people here who are Christians and other faiths and the OP was not asking for their faith to be trashed, but was expressing a challenge BECAUSE of their faith. I thought we respected other people's views here. For those of us who believe, there is a huge struggle in wanting to CTB and reconciling that with our faith. You certainly don't have to agree, but we can be respectful.