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Bandzbandz

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Aug 23, 2018
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Hello there everyone,
I decided I was going to move past the suicide ideation around a year ago after I made promises to myself and decisions that have helped me put my foot down and say I'm going to live for myself and my loved ones. One thing or ideology that has gotten me this far is stoicism, which is defined as the following:
the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint, or: an ancient Greek school of philosophy founded at Athens by Zeno of Citium. The school taught that virtue, the highest good, is based on knowledge; the wise live in harmony with the divine Reason (also identified with Fate and Providence) that governs nature, and are indifferent to the vicissitudes of fortune and to pleasure and pain.
Basically, life is suffering. Do what you can to alleviate the suffering. Which is true when you put things into perspective.
What has helped others that have stepped of the ideation circle for a while to move on and live the best quality of life they can achieve?
 
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Curious as to the source of the definition of Stoicism. I am a student and I find the first phrase to be misrepresentative of the philosophy and its practice. I don't mean to be pedantic, I hope I don't come across as a know-it-all. It's just that I have benefitted so much from studying and using Stoic philosophy that I feel like someone (not you) was telling an untrue story about someone I care for. I note that it is a common misconception about Stoicism, it's not something new.

There is plenty of feeling in Stoicism, and works with and addresses feeling rather than repressing it. Stoicism is indeed focused on perspective. It also recognizes one cannot be fully indifferent, but encourages striving toward awareness of the self and how one responds to "indifferents," things beyond one's control. One of the philosophy's tools is an imaginary ideal wise man who sets the example to strive for -- never fully attainable, but worthy of pursuit.

Stoicism helps me to be more balanced and get through the vicissitudes of life, all the things that are outside of my control, that are indifferent to my preferences and convenience. I supplement it with some of the original Buddhist philosophy. I also find helpful Brené Brown, and boundary work from a variety of perspectives, both boundaries with others and with myself. The Stoic concept of virtues complements this work nicely.

Personally, I'm not in the ideation circle, my consideration of suicide is rational, and Stoicism also supports me in that consideration. Stoicism works with what is, to one's best advantage, in order to further one in their pursuit of virtue and eudamonia, or well-being, in spite of external indifferents.
 
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