So apparently I'm pro death now

[Insomniac]

Most of you called me pro death because of my post in the suggestion forum.

So why don't you go ahead and delete the Recovery forum and merge it with the suicide forum?

Apparently, it's what y'll want. Like I said, the recovery was created following serious complaints from outsiders. People who want to recover post there. I post there once in a while too.

But apparently, me asking to keep the prolife preaching stuff outside of the suicide forum was me being pro death.

Apparently, someone who post in the suicide forum still needs free advices a out life even though the point of the recovery forum was to prevent that. Apparently there's no safe space for people on here anymore.

So go ahead, delete all the other forum and call this one : "Debate forum of prolifers and prolifers" or "Suicide recovery" or something like that lmao the off topics and political sub forum are also useless since people insist on debating prochoice stance is the suicide forum.

 

[whatevs]

You're really dramatic with this but you started shit screenshotting someone else.

It's alright, it's entertaining drama I guess.

 

[Teddybear]

You do know how to use the "Ignore" button, don't you?

 

[releasespieces]

PRO DEATH

 

[SamTam33]

That user is quite annoying. In every single thread trying to pump artificial, low-substance sunshine.

If you have to ask people not to come after you in your handle, your intentions are suspect.

 

[Jadzia]

That user is quite annoying. In every single thread trying to pump artificial, low-substance sunshine.

If you have to ask people not to come after you in your handle, your intentions are suspect.

I agree. I think it can come across as gas lighting and toxic positivity

 

[Doom]

if i wanted to read some pro life crap i would stay on suicide watch

 

[whiteflag]

So catty elliot could have posted it himself

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I don't agree with them calling kids who come on here "dumb". Should kids be on here? I don't think so. However, their suffering is just as valid as anyone else's. Also, they were smart enough to seek this forum out so......

I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, BUT it should be assumed that anyone posting a good bye thread or asking for advice on a method has already considered their "options" to get better and has decided either a. there's no way for things to get better b. they don't want to get better or c. they have determined that things could get better but not enough to make life worth living. As such, being a pro life forum, we should give the individuals the benefit of the doubt in assuming that they made the best choice they believe they could have made. I actually do recall telling them this in chat a few days ago, but atlas.....

I can also see the argument that their bits of "injecting sunshine" can be a form of gas lighting.

EDIT: Also, they are right that this is a pro-choice forum, but it doesn't mean what they think it means. It means that each individual can make the decision to do whatever they want with their life, not that every individual has the right to choose whether or not to police the individuals making said choices with their lives.

I tried to get them to be more self aware about this, but oh well.

 

[Jadzia]

I can also see the argument that their bits of "injecting sunshine" can be a form of gas lighting, but it is not against the rules to do it, as unnecessary as I see it.

Gas lighting is against the rules:

"It is a safe space where suicidal people are able to speak without fear of toxic positivity, gaslighting, diagnostic stigmatization, involuntary hospitalization, and other forms of oppression used against them. This forum meets the unmet needs of suicidal people that are largely ignored by society, the medical community; and suicide prevention advocates."

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Gas lighting is against the rules:

"It is a safe space where suicidal people are able to speak without fear of toxic positivity, gaslighting, diagnostic stigmatization, involuntary hospitalization, and other forms of oppression used against them. This forum meets the unmet needs of suicidal people that are largely ignored by society, the medical community; and suicide prevention advocates."

Welp, that makes it even worse!

 

[BornToFail]

I'm sorry, I'll see myself out

 

[Silent.Tears]

Guys, let's not fight among ourselves. This is exactly what "anti-SaSu" ppl want. I think why recent comments might seem very biased towards "pro-life" agenda is because of a certain someone coming onto the forum and throwing baseless accusations towards forum members. While it maybe baseless it has affected me a lot and I think that's the case for some other members as well, while there's no reason to feel guilty or responsible. While people who have same goals and empathy when it comes to ctb-ing are fighting, the certain someone who added fuel to the fire has returned to their cozy happy life. Let's spread love we only have each other for support.
@Insomniac I apologise to you if you have been hurt I'm sorry

 

[chocolatebar]

We don't have to put labels on each other. The entire society out there does that all the time, and I believe it's even one one the factors pushing people to this place in the first place.


People should be free to talk about their thoughts, as long as they're respectful and coherent. Don't you agree?

If not, could you explain why not?

 

[Jadzia]

We don't have to put labels on each other. The entire society out there does that all the time, and I believe it's even one one the factors pushing people to this place in the first place.


People should be free to talk about their thoughts, as long as they're respectful and coherent. Don't you agree?

If not, could you explain why not?

I agree we should be free to talk about our thoughts but as long as rules aren't broken. I personally don't think @jodes2 is a prolifer but he does cross boundaries and break rules because his comments can come across as preaching toxic positivity and gas lighting. Despite doing this he regularly gives sources to members for products on how to CBT.

I've tagged @jodes2 so he can join in and defend himself.

 

[SamTam33]

We don't have to put labels on each other. The entire society out there does that all the time, and I believe it's even one one the factors pushing people to this place in the first place.


People should be free to talk about their thoughts, as long as they're respectful and coherent. Don't you agree?

If not, could you explain why not?

Talking about your thoughts isn't the same as replying to practically every post with a bunch of generic fluff like

"You can hang in there!"

"I believe in you!"

"You're a shiny light and I don't know you from Adam, but I would miss you if you ctb!"

It's clutter.

The ignore function is handy but you still know they're there, saying silly shit.

I've started to just turn around and leave most threads when I detect their footprints.

It's life. People are annoying. I get it. But I'm so irritated and agitated these days, my tolerance is lower than usual.

 

[chocolatebar]

I agree we should be free to talk about our thoughts but as long as rules aren't broken. I personally don't think @jodes2 is a prolifer but he does cross boundaries and break rules because his comments can come across as preaching toxic positivity and gas lighting. Despite doing this he regularly gives sources to members for products on how to CBT.

I've tagged @jodes2 so he can join in and defend himself.

The only post I saw was the one screenshoted, and didn't appear to me as toxic when I read, neither to be disrespecful. However, if the user invalidates others' experiences and distorts what they say, it's an issue, but I don't think this is the right approach for it.

They already made a post in the other thread and, apparently, are feeling bad about the accusations and exposure. More exposure will only become bullying behavior.

Seriously, are we going to reproduce the same behavior that leads so many people to this place?

If the claims about being toxic are true, this could have been easily and gently solved in private, by letting them know how others are feeling about their comments.

Talking about your thoughts isn't the same as replying to practically every post with a bunch of generic fluff like

"You can hang in there!"

"I believe in you!"

"You're a shiny light and I don't know you from Adam, but I would miss you if you ctb!"

It's clutter.

The ignore function is handy but you still know they're there, saying silly shit.

I've started to just turn around and leave most threads when I detect their footprints.

It's life. People are annoying. I get it. But I'm so irritated and agitated these days, my tolerance is lower than usual.

I was typing when you answered to me, but my previous comment still applies. If users are feeling invalidated or hurt, this could have been taken to the mentioned user's attention instead of creating all this exposure. They most likely don't do it on purpose, because they're struggling just like most of us.

 

[FuneralCry]

Seriously, some of the people who were in that thread are so delusional and ignorant. It's tiring, they should seriously get lost if people wanting to die offends them so much. It would be different if something happened to those people to make them want to die. According to people, like the one you mentioned, 'pro death' is anything which isn't like 'it will get better!!!, there is so much hope, you need help', it's such nonsense really, I don't even get why they come on here, some people just want to die and they don't want to have their suffering invalidated and be faced with toxic positivity, by an ignorant stranger who knows absolutely nothing about their life and what they go through. This is the only place in which people really can be open about suicide so it's sad how people like that try to make it just like everywhere else in this pro life and life valuing society.

Just because some people have so much hope or whatever and are happy living under delusions about the cruel reality of this existence doesn't give them the right to force their 'life is a gift' beliefs onto others and constantly dismiss the very real problems that other people go through.

But nobody on this forum is actually 'pro death' despite what some arrogant people say in such a pretentious way. 'Pro death' actually means to insist that everyone must die and it means not respecting people's right to live. People on this forum don't do this, instead many of us who arrogant people would call 'pro death', simply respect the decisions and choices of others without forcing them to feel a certain way and this is what it means to be pro choice. Some people on here literally call any posts about hating life 'pro death', when in reality those posts are realistic and reflect the harsh and horrific reality of this existence. There is nothing pro death about them, nobody is told that they must die, only their decision is respected if that is what they wish to do.

 

[Chinaski]

like what are people trying to achieve highlighting parts of people's posts in bold or screenshotting them. It's like they want to make suicidal people feel worse on purpose

Agree strongly with this point made in an earlier thread.

 

[SamTam33]

The only post I saw was the one screenshoted, and didn't appear to me as toxic when I read, neither to be disrespecful. However, if the user invalidates others' experiences and distorts what they say, it's an issue, but I don't think this is the right approach for it.

They already made a post in the other thread and, apparently, are feeling bad about the accusations and exposure. More exposure will only become bullying behavior.

Seriously, are we going to reproduce the same behavior that leads so many people to this place?

If the claims about being toxic are true, this could have been easily and gently solved in private, by letting them know how others are feeling about their comments.


I was typing when you answered to me, but my previous comment still applies. If users are feeling invalidated or hurt, this could have been taken to the mentioned user's attention instead of creating all this exposure. They most likely don't do it on purpose, because they're struggling just like most of us.

Oh ok. I was just answering the question you asked.

I don't trust myself to address them privately. It would be ugly and uncensored.

I'm fine with blowing off steam here in a more 'controlled' way.

Edit: it sounds like someone upthread already tried to address it with them in a more private way. But it doesn't seem to have made much of a difference yet.

 

[whatevs]

Talking about your thoughts isn't the same as replying to practically every post with a bunch of generic fluff like

"You can hang in there!"

"I believe in you!"

"You're a shiny light and I don't know you from Adam, but I would miss you if you ctb!"

It's clutter.

The ignore function is handy but you still know they're there, saying silly shit.

I've started to just turn around and leave most threads when I detect their footprints.

It's life. People are annoying. I get it. But I'm so irritated and agitated these days, my tolerance is lower than usual.

Who's worse, generic mortalist FuneralCry or generic optimist jodes? I prefer the second one if I had to choose. I don't like generic responses in either case, though.

Seriously, some of the people who were in that thread are so delusional and ignorant. It's tiring, they should seriously get lost if people wanting to die offends them so much. It would be different if something happened to those people to make them want to die. According to people, like the one you mentioned, 'pro death' is anything which isn't like 'it will get better!!!, there is so much hope, you need help', it's such nonsense really, I don't even get why they come on here, some people just want to die and they don't want to have their suffering invalidated and be faced with toxic positivity, by an ignorant stranger who knows absolutely nothing about their life and what they go through. This is the only place in which people really can be open about suicide so it's sad how people like that try to make it just like everywhere else in this pro life and life valuing society.

Just because some people have so much hope or whatever and are happy living under delusions about the cruel reality of this existence doesn't give them the right to force their 'life is a gift' beliefs onto others and constantly dismiss the very real problems that other people go through.

But nobody on this forum is actually 'pro death' despite what some arrogant people say in such a pretentious way. 'Pro death' actually means to insist that everyone must die and it means not respecting people's right to live. People on this forum don't do this, instead many of us who arrogant people would call 'pro death', simply respect the decisions and choices of others without forcing them to feel a certain way and this is what it means to be pro choice. Some people on here literally call any posts about hating life 'pro death', when in reality those posts are realistic and reflect the harsh and horrific reality of this existence. There is nothing pro death about them, nobody is told that they must die, only their decision is respected if that is what they wish to do.

You routinely argue (without much depth), about how death is preferable to existing and you have also said that EVERYONE would be better off dead. This is absolutely a mortalist and pro-death stance. Just because you don't want to murder people you can't evade the pro-death label, you're perfectly fit for the label.

 

[Life_and_Death]

You're putting some "stupid" comments in with the same people that disrespect goodbye threads? I don't think 1 comment (per thread) is really pro life, especially considering we can compare it to comments screaming therapy while someone is on their last breath.

 

[SamTam33]

Who's worse, generic mortalist FuneralCry or generic optimist jodes? I prefer the second one if I had to choose. I don't like generic responses in either case, though.

It's not real optimism. It's bullshit.

Like those Jehovah's Witnesses shoving their crappy pamphlets in your face.

 

[whatevs]

It's not real optimism. It's bullshit.

Like those Jehovah's Witnesses shoving their crappy pamphlets in your face.

I can agree with that. That's why I don't like generic responses. Jodes just seems like a good person, IDK. At least she/he isn't responding with generic pro-death encouragement, lol.

I actually do enjoy thoughtful pro-death writings, my favorite thinker is still Arthur Schopenhauer, for fuck's sake. There's just something effing weird about FuneralCry and her oddly similar responses. I'm not the first person to notice or say this.

 

[FuneralCry]

Chinaski, that post of mine that you quoted is in no way related to this thread and is only relevant in the context of the other thread where some arrogant people were posting nonsense to make me feel worse. Seriously what is the point of bringing up posts from other threads, it's sad that people do that, people who act like that should seriously just get lost and leave actual suicidal people who are suffering alone. It's such a shame that people are trying to ruin this forum with their nonsense posts.

And also, Whatevs I don't care if my posts are 'generic', but they are still better than the arrogant, pretentious nonsense that you seem to get so much enjoyment out of posting on here. If it makes you feel better looking down on suicidal people who wish to vent about hating their lives then good for you!

 

[SpiroSundae]

TBH i didnt know anyone here still cared about life enough to screencap and start drama with randos

 

[SamTam33]

I can agree with that. That's why I don't like generic responses. Jodes just seems like a good person, IDK. At least she/he isn't responding with generic pro-death encouragement, lol.

I actually do enjoy thoughtful pro-death writings, me favorite thinker is still Arthur Schopenhauer, for fuck's sake. There's just something effing weird about FuneralCry and her oddly similar responses.

Newsflash: we're all effing weird.

 

[whatevs]

Fair enough. FC will safely remain on ignore though. It's for the best.

 

[Chinaski]

Chinaski, that post of mine that you quoted is in no way related to this thread and is only relevant in the context of the other thread where some arrogant people were posting nonsense to make me feel worse. Seriously what is the point of bringing up posts from other threads, it's sad that people do that, people who act like that should seriously just get lost and leave actual suicidal people who are suffering alone. It's such a shame that people are trying to ruin this forum with their nonsense posts.

I don't see what the problem is, l was agreeing with you.

 

[rationaltake]

And also, Whatevs I don't care if my posts are 'generic', but they are still better than the arrogant, pretentious nonsense that you seem to get so much enjoyment out of posting on here. If it makes you feel better looking down on suicidal people who wish to vent about hating their lives then good for you!

It is hypocritical to call another member's posts nonsense.